18:40:25 <randomuser> #startmeeting Fedora Docs Office Hours 18:40:25 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 20 18:40:25 2015 UTC. The chair is randomuser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:40:25 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:40:40 <randomuser> zoglesby, just a bit off schedule 18:42:07 <randomuser> #Topic Office Hours - Open Floor 18:43:16 <randomuser> kelvar, I saw you had some questions overnight, are you around now? 18:44:09 <zoglesby> randomuser: already done... 18:44:15 <zoglesby> read the backlog 18:44:23 <randomuser> ah, cool 18:44:29 <randomuser> I was curious about the context, tbh 18:47:25 <randomuser> zoglesby, do you still want to set up buildbot and such this evening? 18:47:48 <zoglesby> I hope tonight will work 18:48:19 <zoglesby> work has been crazy, I was trying to fix stuff until 2am, gave up and went to bed, still working on it 18:48:56 <randomuser> damn. Another day will work too, don't burn yourself out 18:49:14 <zoglesby> I would like to do it tonight if I can 18:49:52 <randomuser> sure. Ping whenever, and ping OOB if I don't respond 18:50:16 <zoglesby> okay, but I refuse to ping with data (you hear me zodbot!) 18:51:11 <randomuser> I've gotten away from using the phone IRC client as much to monitor pings, because the cell signal in the office goes in and out every five minutes or so, and causing near-constant notification noises 18:54:27 <randomuser> hello mpduty 18:54:47 <mpduty> hello randomuser 18:55:43 <mpduty> I attended a wonderful Fedora event recently, my first 18:56:14 <randomuser> Excellent - the fudcon? 18:56:26 <mpduty> Yes, FUDCon Pune 18:56:41 <randomuser> cool 18:56:55 <mpduty> I was a speaker on 'Android Development on Fedora 21' 18:57:14 <mpduty> We had Fedora 21 at that time, so 18:57:17 <randomuser> nice! were the presentations there recorded? 18:57:25 <mpduty> yes 18:57:42 <mpduty> but I don't know whether they are archived 18:58:10 * randomuser will look for them 18:58:11 <mpduty> I wrote some wiki pages on relevant topics during that time to support my talk 18:59:12 <randomuser> how is that experience these days? I keep seeing chatter about emulator support 18:59:50 <mpduty> Android Studio is really good and works very well on Fedora 19:00:10 <mpduty> I really wanted to do some quality testing work but don't know how 19:00:21 <randomuser> oh, and I recently learned about icaro, https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=https://roboticaicaro.wordpress.com/ from neville (yn1v) - a robotics project for education, and thought you'd find it interesting 19:01:15 * mpduty is following the link 19:01:37 <randomuser> feel free to use the original if you habla espanol :) 19:02:25 <mpduty> It certainly does look interesting 19:03:07 <randomuser> as I understand it, the idea is to use the robots to teach the kids about math, physics, programming, etc and not especially to teach the kids about robots 19:03:25 <randomuser> #chair mpduty zoglesby shaunm 19:03:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: mpduty randomuser shaunm zoglesby 19:03:38 <mpduty> yes does look that way 19:04:29 <mpduty> there was another thing I wanted to talk about, but I really don't know which sub project of Fedora actually is suited to it 19:05:07 <mpduty> Is there a way to data mine Fedora repositories? 19:05:52 <randomuser> mpduty, there are lots of ways to get data about Fedora things - what are you looking for? 19:06:55 <randomuser> most all package metadata is already on your system, but if you want data about packager activity and such, you'd have to go another way 19:06:59 <mpduty> how the repositories have grown in the years, how the quality of software has developed 19:07:47 <mpduty> how people are collaborating, is it changing the quality of software being used on Fedora 19:07:58 <randomuser> repo growth you can do, package quality is subjective 19:08:04 <randomuser> hmm 19:08:36 <randomuser> mpduty, do you know about fedmsg? 19:09:05 <mpduty> I have seen others use it but really speaking not much more than that 19:10:41 <randomuser> everything someone does with fedora infrastructure, or the infrastructure does, sends a message 19:10:48 <randomuser> so it's a decent measure of activity 19:11:07 <randomuser> there is an application called datagrepper that can be queried for the info 19:11:08 <mpduty> okay 19:11:28 <randomuser> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/datagrepper/raw?user=mohanprakash for example 19:12:03 <mpduty> got it 19:12:09 <randomuser> so from there, you only need to construct good queries and analyze the data, easy! 19:12:24 <randomuser> For technical type things, you will want to talk to #fedora-apps 19:12:54 <randomuser> but, if you want to put together interesting data and whiteboard ideas, you should talk to remy 19:13:50 <randomuser> he has some kind of master plan about how analyzing fedmsg data will increase community involvement, bring in new contributors, and apply gold plating to everyone's poops 19:14:05 <mpduty> :) 19:14:25 <randomuser> decause on IRC 19:15:02 <randomuser> specifically, he's doing that business as "Fedora Commops" and there is a #fedora-commops 19:15:30 <randomuser> zoglesby, bonus, he wants commops to take responsibility for the wiki! 19:15:44 <zoglesby> +1000000000000000000000000000000 19:16:46 * zoglesby joins 19:17:01 <mpduty> randomuser, aren't there agreed metrics used by qa people for package quality testing, or is the thing totally subjective 19:17:34 <randomuser> mpduty, there are packaging guidelines for initial submission, but little enforcement after the fact 19:17:55 <randomuser> a few things are tested; whether the update is capable of succeeding, whether the dependencies can be met, etc 19:18:14 <randomuser> I don't know all the things, but I know they are working hard on enabling more, and package specific things 19:18:33 <mpduty> okay 19:19:03 <randomuser> the new thing will be opt-in, and packagers will provide their package-specific tests 19:20:31 <mpduty> randomuser, does one have to be member of some specific group to comment on fedora-easy-karma? As I get 'not authenticated' always 19:20:55 <mpduty> I asked on the qa channel but I don't think anybody got to that question 19:23:40 <randomuser> mpduty, I believe you need to at least declare a username when you run it 19:24:05 <mpduty> certainly, username and password 19:24:30 <randomuser> if you're starting with it today, you might want to give it a few days for things to settle down 19:24:38 <randomuser> they are deploying a new bodhi right now 19:24:59 <mpduty> okay 19:25:30 <mpduty> I had tried it on three occasions last month and this, actually 19:25:47 <randomuser> okay, I need to go back to $dayjob - shall I close the meeting, or would others like to carry it on? 19:26:13 <mpduty> thank you randomuser for your help about the data mining part 19:26:19 <randomuser> sure thing 19:26:35 <randomuser> #chair pbokoc 19:26:35 <zodbot> Current chairs: mpduty pbokoc randomuser shaunm zoglesby 19:26:53 <randomuser> ha! now it can be petr's responsibility to end the meeting 19:27:36 <randomuser> #endmeeting