18:40:25 <randomuser> #startmeeting Fedora Docs Office Hours
18:40:25 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 20 18:40:25 2015 UTC.  The chair is randomuser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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18:40:40 <randomuser> zoglesby, just a bit off schedule
18:42:07 <randomuser> #Topic Office Hours - Open Floor
18:43:16 <randomuser> kelvar, I saw you had some questions overnight, are you around now?
18:44:09 <zoglesby> randomuser: already done...
18:44:15 <zoglesby> read the backlog
18:44:23 <randomuser> ah, cool
18:44:29 <randomuser> I was curious about the context, tbh
18:47:25 <randomuser> zoglesby, do you still want to set up buildbot and such this evening?
18:47:48 <zoglesby> I hope tonight will work
18:48:19 <zoglesby> work has been crazy, I was trying to fix stuff until 2am, gave up and went to bed, still working on it
18:48:56 <randomuser> damn.  Another day will work too, don't burn yourself out
18:49:14 <zoglesby> I would like to do it tonight if I can
18:49:52 <randomuser> sure.  Ping whenever, and ping OOB if I don't respond
18:50:16 <zoglesby> okay, but I refuse to ping with data (you hear me zodbot!)
18:51:11 <randomuser> I've gotten away from using the phone IRC client as much to monitor pings, because the cell signal in the office goes in and out every five minutes or so, and causing near-constant notification noises
18:54:27 <randomuser> hello mpduty
18:54:47 <mpduty> hello randomuser
18:55:43 <mpduty> I attended a wonderful Fedora event recently, my first
18:56:14 <randomuser> Excellent - the fudcon?
18:56:26 <mpduty> Yes, FUDCon Pune
18:56:41 <randomuser> cool
18:56:55 <mpduty> I was a speaker on 'Android Development on Fedora 21'
18:57:14 <mpduty> We had Fedora 21 at that time, so
18:57:17 <randomuser> nice! were the presentations there recorded?
18:57:25 <mpduty> yes
18:57:42 <mpduty> but I don't know whether they are archived
18:58:10 * randomuser will look for them
18:58:11 <mpduty> I wrote some wiki pages on relevant topics during that time to support my talk
18:59:12 <randomuser> how is that experience these days?  I keep seeing chatter about emulator support
18:59:50 <mpduty> Android Studio is really good and works very well on Fedora
19:00:10 <mpduty> I really wanted to do some quality testing work but don't know how
19:00:21 <randomuser> oh, and I recently learned about icaro, https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=https://roboticaicaro.wordpress.com/ from neville (yn1v) - a robotics project for education, and thought you'd find it interesting
19:01:15 * mpduty is following the link
19:01:37 <randomuser> feel free to use the original if you habla espanol :)
19:02:25 <mpduty> It certainly does look interesting
19:03:07 <randomuser> as I understand it, the idea is to use the robots to teach the kids about math, physics, programming, etc  and not especially to teach the kids about robots
19:03:25 <randomuser> #chair mpduty zoglesby shaunm
19:03:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: mpduty randomuser shaunm zoglesby
19:03:38 <mpduty> yes does look that way
19:04:29 <mpduty> there was another thing I wanted to talk about, but I really don't know which sub project of Fedora actually is suited to it
19:05:07 <mpduty> Is there a way to data mine Fedora repositories?
19:05:52 <randomuser> mpduty, there are lots of ways to get data about Fedora things - what are you looking for?
19:06:55 <randomuser> most all package metadata is already on your system, but if you want data about packager activity and such, you'd have to go another way
19:06:59 <mpduty> how the repositories have grown in the years, how the quality of software has developed
19:07:47 <mpduty> how people are collaborating, is it changing the quality of software being used on Fedora
19:07:58 <randomuser> repo growth you can do, package quality is subjective
19:08:04 <randomuser> hmm
19:08:36 <randomuser> mpduty, do you know about fedmsg?
19:09:05 <mpduty> I have seen others use it but really speaking not much more than that
19:10:41 <randomuser> everything someone does with fedora infrastructure, or the infrastructure does, sends a message
19:10:48 <randomuser> so it's a decent measure of activity
19:11:07 <randomuser> there is an application called datagrepper that can be queried for the info
19:11:08 <mpduty> okay
19:11:28 <randomuser> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/datagrepper/raw?user=mohanprakash for example
19:12:03 <mpduty> got it
19:12:09 <randomuser> so from there, you only need to construct good queries and analyze the data, easy!
19:12:24 <randomuser> For technical type things, you will want to talk to #fedora-apps
19:12:54 <randomuser> but, if you want to put together interesting data and whiteboard ideas, you should talk to remy
19:13:50 <randomuser> he has some kind of master plan about how analyzing fedmsg data will increase community involvement, bring in new contributors, and apply gold plating to everyone's poops
19:14:05 <mpduty> :)
19:14:25 <randomuser> decause on IRC
19:15:02 <randomuser> specifically, he's doing that business as "Fedora Commops" and there is a #fedora-commops
19:15:30 <randomuser> zoglesby, bonus, he wants commops to take responsibility for the wiki!
19:15:44 <zoglesby> +1000000000000000000000000000000
19:16:46 * zoglesby joins
19:17:01 <mpduty> randomuser, aren't there agreed metrics used by qa people for package quality testing, or is the thing totally subjective
19:17:34 <randomuser> mpduty, there are packaging guidelines for initial submission, but little enforcement after the fact
19:17:55 <randomuser> a few things are tested; whether the update is capable of succeeding, whether the dependencies can be met, etc
19:18:14 <randomuser> I don't know all the things, but I know they are working hard on enabling more, and package specific things
19:18:33 <mpduty> okay
19:19:03 <randomuser> the new thing will be opt-in, and packagers will provide their package-specific tests
19:20:31 <mpduty> randomuser, does one have to be member of some specific group to comment on fedora-easy-karma? As I get 'not authenticated' always
19:20:55 <mpduty> I asked on the qa channel but I don't think anybody got to that question
19:23:40 <randomuser> mpduty, I believe you need to at least declare a username when you run it
19:24:05 <mpduty> certainly, username and password
19:24:30 <randomuser> if you're starting with it today, you might want to give it a few days for things to settle down
19:24:38 <randomuser> they are deploying a new bodhi right now
19:24:59 <mpduty> okay
19:25:30 <mpduty> I had tried it on three occasions last month and this, actually
19:25:47 <randomuser> okay, I need to go back to $dayjob - shall I close the meeting, or would others like to carry it on?
19:26:13 <mpduty> thank you randomuser for your help about the data mining part
19:26:19 <randomuser> sure thing
19:26:35 <randomuser> #chair pbokoc
19:26:35 <zodbot> Current chairs: mpduty pbokoc randomuser shaunm zoglesby
19:26:53 <randomuser> ha! now it can be petr's responsibility to end the meeting
19:27:36 <randomuser> #endmeeting