18:07:24 <zoglesby> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda:  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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18:07:45 <zoglesby> #meetingname Fedora Docs
18:07:45 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
18:08:21 <zoglesby> #topic Office Hours
18:08:46 <zoglesby> #info today is another beats working session.
18:09:03 <zoglesby> if you have questions about release notes beats please ask
18:09:11 <randomuser> I said ten minutes or *more*, zoglesby
18:09:38 <zoglesby> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_notes_beats
18:09:44 <zoglesby> #chair randomuser
18:09:44 <zodbot> Current chairs: randomuser zoglesby
18:10:49 <zoglesby> #link http://piratepad.net/nIJTKEmI5c
18:11:01 <zoglesby> tracking doc ^^
18:13:58 * randomuser is preoccupied for a bit but will participate soonish
18:14:08 <zoglesby> as am I
18:14:14 <williamjmorenor> I am looking for cometen for the Development Web Beat out of frappe framework
18:14:37 <zoglesby> but I can answer questions if others are here, just can't write atm
18:18:26 <williamjmorenor> there is a dead line for beat writters?
18:19:47 <zoglesby> williamjmorenor: it was earlier this week, for wiki based writers
18:20:16 <zoglesby> anything else is done in git and you have to be in the docs-commit fas group
18:21:36 * linux-modder in and out  in a few channels helping folks
18:22:06 <linux-modder> zoglesby,  what needs to be  done for  docs-commit?
18:22:34 <williamjmorenor> so we can not include more content to the wiki?
18:23:01 <williamjmorenor> I have just write something about libreoffice 5 in the productivity beat
18:25:23 <randomuser> linux-modder, your time is better spend on relnotes and wiki at this point, but I can mentor you to docs-commit membership going forward
18:26:15 <zoglesby> williamjmorenor: we held off on wiki freese
18:26:17 <zoglesby> freeze
18:26:30 <zoglesby> so you can still write on wiki
18:26:56 <zoglesby> and to be honest if you have changes after that you can make them on the wiki, but you need to tell someone here so that we can get them into git
18:29:57 <williamjmorenor> OK
18:30:06 <williamjmorenor> i will try to finish today
18:30:17 <williamjmorenor> so the beat can be imported to git
18:32:21 <zoglesby> williamjmorenor: I don't think we are going to be doing that until next week, but the sooner you have it done the better
18:33:42 <williamjmorenor> ok
18:34:06 <williamjmorenor> maybe for the next release I work to get commit acces to docs :)
18:34:21 <williamjmorenor> by the way
18:34:24 <zoglesby> williamjmorenor: don't wait for the next release!
18:34:42 <williamjmorenor> but what can I do in thes release?
18:34:42 <zoglesby> work with us and get it sooner, the next release is always a release away
18:35:28 <williamjmorenor> I can write in the docbook xml and propose a patch, maybe I can ask to mayorga so we live in the same city
18:35:56 <williamjmorenor> also I help in zanata with this is not a docs issue
18:39:18 <williamjmorenor> thanks zoglesby I have to go lunch, in Nicaragua it is 12:39 MD
18:39:21 <williamjmorenor> regards
18:47:02 * zoglesby is going away for a bit
18:47:05 <zoglesby> back later to work
18:51:35 * randomuser is leaving work for lunch and office hours fun
19:11:01 <randomuser> good timing, FranciscoD
19:20:01 <randomuser> hmm.. there's nothing in the i18n beat, I'm going to mail their list and see what's up
19:28:15 <randomuser> zoglesby, I'm sending a mail to devel - what do you think about tuesday the 8th as a hard wiki freeze date?
19:28:29 <randomuser> that matches the beta freeze date on the schedule
19:37:39 <FranciscoD_> randomuser: did I do something? :D
19:38:21 <randomuser> FranciscoD_, you joined the channel in the middle of a release notes writing binge!
19:38:25 <randomuser> surely you planned that
19:38:34 <FranciscoD_> lol
19:38:38 <FranciscoD_> of course I did :P
19:38:51 <FranciscoD_> Just let me finish my pasta
19:38:53 <FranciscoD_> and my chicken ;)
19:50:16 <randomuser> pasta first; you can have the chicken when the work is done!
19:50:18 * randomuser ducks
19:55:11 <randomuser> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Documentation_beats
19:55:31 <randomuser> I'm going back to $dayjob but will leave the meeting open and come back to the task later on
19:55:49 <randomuser> I'm also making an executive decision that wiki freeze will be on the 8th
19:56:08 <randomuser> #info randomuser decided wiki freeze on the 8th, to give people time to take action on his mail
20:51:55 <FranciscoD_> randomuser: began the workstation beat, not much to write at the moment though - changes seem to be few this release.
20:52:10 <FranciscoD_> I'll keep an eye on the gnome release page and update the beats page accordingly
20:52:13 <FranciscoD_> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_Workstation_Specific_Content_Beat
20:52:16 <FranciscoD_> https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointSeventeen/ReleaseNotes
21:17:19 <randomuser> FranciscoD_, yeah, afaik workstation is mostly gnome stuff; firmware updates are supposedly coming, but I'm not sure about actual vendor support
21:17:28 * randomuser sent a mail to hughsie about that
21:31:14 <grundblom> So I am confused by what the wiki freeze is
21:41:16 <randomuser> grundblom, the wiki freeze is when we stop doing release notes in the wiki, and start moving them to git
21:41:32 <randomuser> also FranciscoD++
21:42:35 <grundblom> Oh, gotcha
21:43:07 <grundblom> So I updated a bunch of beats, Do I need to keep record of them to apply to my beats badges?
21:46:33 <randomuser> I'll get it from wiki changes and commits
21:48:44 <grundblom> I have made a few updates so far to the beats, is there more I can help with?
21:52:21 <randomuser> always :)
21:56:34 <grundblom> right now I have been looking at the Fedora23 change page and going off of that.
21:57:00 <grundblom> I spawned a F23 virtual machine and was comparing app version info, or is that unneccessary?
21:57:46 <randomuser> it helps; I'll often look at /usr/share/doc/$package/NEWS or CHANGELOG or whatever
21:58:45 <randomuser> if you want to compare rpm level stuff like the package version or changelog, you can use repoquery, ie `repoquery -q bash --releasever 22;repoquery -q bash --releasever 23;repoquery -q --changelog bash --releasever 23`
21:59:14 <randomuser> in general though, that kind of info describes the package and not the contents of the package
22:08:34 <grundblom> randomuser thanks! thats cool, I will do that tonight
22:08:41 <grundblom> especially on the entertainment beat
22:22:13 <randomuser> grundblom, great! the entertainment beat needs some love
23:32:12 <zoglesby> randomuser: sounds good to me (the 8th)
23:32:25 <zoglesby> sorry got tied up at work, then the late train home
23:35:54 <zoglesby> food time, then workl
05:17:28 <randomuser> gg everyone
05:17:31 <randomuser> #endmeeting