14:09:26 <decause> #startmeeting FedoraDocsFAD2016 14:09:26 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat May 7 14:09:26 2016 UTC. The chair is decause. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:09:26 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:09:26 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedoradocsfad2016' 14:09:32 <decause> #topic Agenda 14:09:41 <decause> http://etherpad.osuosl.org/fedoradocsfad2016 14:09:55 <decause> #topic Content Services Tooling/Planning with dsilas 14:14:24 * stickster notes that AsciiDoctor == AsciiDoc for all intents and purposes 14:15:45 * jflory7 waves towards Raleigh 14:36:41 <linuxmodder> decause, blue link pls 14:37:43 <decause> linuxmodder: setting up now 14:37:47 <stickster> linuxmodder: see wiki page for the FAD 14:38:22 <decause> linuxmodder: http://redhat.bluejeans.com/pfrields 14:38:32 <decause> connecting shortly 14:38:48 <decause> linuxmodder: ok 14:38:49 <decause> join 14:39:01 <linuxmodder> btw someone needs to seriously audit install-guide more often it has WAY too much duplication 14:39:15 <decause> we're waiting on you to join 14:39:18 <decause> linuxmodder: 14:40:14 <randomuser> sometimes duplication is ok 14:40:28 <decause> linuxmodder: are you in? 14:41:16 <linuxmodder> should see me there 14:44:23 <linuxmodder> plugin was being funny in ff 14:45:41 <linuxmodder> can hear everyone but its mad echo chamber ish 14:47:56 <decause> will get mics muted linuxmodder 14:48:22 <decause> linuxmodder: all mics are muted alredy 14:48:27 <decause> not sure what the echo is about then 14:48:35 * stickster checks in console 14:48:45 <Evolution> some of the discussion around the centos bits worked up last year 14:48:46 <Evolution> https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-docs/2015-May/005647.html 14:48:54 <Evolution> trying to find what code was actually done 14:48:58 <linuxmodder> likely jus t room acoustics then 14:52:27 <Evolution> https://github.com/kunaaljain/test-centos-docs 14:52:52 <decause> Evolution: nice 14:52:53 <decause> thanks 15:25:39 <linuxmodder> okay ANYONE see a reason to both link to and have a example in a install-guide sub file? 15:26:06 <c0mrad3> zoglesby: yes is the bluejeans link up ? 15:26:11 <linuxmodder> its literally another nearly 70 lines in an already too long ref doc 15:26:28 <linuxmodder> c0mrad3, yup http://redhat.bluejeans.com/pfrields 15:26:46 * c0mrad3 will be there in few min 15:38:40 * c0mrad3 my bandwidth is very less and I cann't hear properly! 15:39:58 * quaid joins in from the parking lot at CSUMB 15:41:53 <quaid> c0mrad3: if you can dial in over a phone for audio, that usually works pretty well 15:41:58 <quaid> or SIP directly 15:42:35 <quaid> heh, people love a large repo 15:43:34 <linuxmodder> quaid, if its warranted this is not tho imo 15:43:51 <linuxmodder> one or the other the file (one file ) is 4k lines long 15:43:53 <quaid> linuxmodder: just laughing that people seemed to "ooh, ahh" at it 15:44:05 <quaid> #link http://etherpad.osuosl.org/fedoradocsfad2016 15:53:03 <decause> #chair quaid 15:53:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: decause quaid 15:53:06 <decause> #chair linuxmodder 15:53:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: decause linuxmodder quaid 15:53:11 <decause> #chair stickster 15:53:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: decause linuxmodder quaid stickster 15:53:31 <decause> #topic Anerist Demo 15:54:08 * c0mrad3 will be back 16:02:48 <quaid> decause: do we have pics of the board that Paul is pointing at? 16:03:56 <c0mrad3> quaid++ 16:03:56 <zodbot> c0mrad3: Karma for kwade changed to 4 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:04:30 * quaid is next going to be asking for his FAD badge :D 16:04:51 * c0mrad3 me to quaid 16:05:03 * c0mrad3 s/to/too 16:06:00 <decause> #topic Pintail Demo 16:08:26 <quaid> +1 to darker marker 16:08:42 <c0mrad3> darker marker 16:09:35 <quaid> left side of the board is more visible 16:09:42 * quaid listens :) 16:09:47 <quaid> ah, that I can read 16:11:21 <quaid> impressive zoom :D 16:13:43 <quaid> looks good on screen share, thanks 16:13:52 <quaid> appreciate the care for the remotees :) 16:14:56 <quaid> my daughter is in taking a math placement test, which is why I'm chilling in the parking lot at Cal State Monterey Bay :) 16:33:50 <decause> #link https://www.jimmyjohns.com/download/jj_menu_no_prices.pdf 16:33:56 <decause> lunch menu 16:34:07 <decause> quaid: :) 16:35:56 <c0mrad3> looks like we have a fedora issue in Shaun system 16:40:02 <quaid> heh, been loving the errors 16:40:21 <quaid> I hear the workflow description; just like what the CentOS GSoC docs toolchain did last summer 16:41:01 <quaid> it's at the point where people are scared because it looks scary, the in-flow for contributors has to offer but hide that complexity 16:42:09 <quaid> the button click on a website to edit needs to 'know' what is the branch of origin, so as to hide that from the user 16:42:23 <quaid> i.e., MediaWiki ease, git workflow on the backend 16:44:00 <quaid> stickster: go ahead and zoom the camera back out to see the room when you get a chance 16:44:14 <quaid> decause: don't forget to grab pics of the whiteboards as you go :) 16:46:21 <c0mrad3> quaid: this one https://wiki.centos.org/GSoC/2015/Ideas#docs-toolchain ? 17:09:56 <quaid> c0mrad3: yes, but let me look up a results link 17:10:59 <c0mrad3> quaid: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/details/google/gsoc2015/kunaalus/5704837555552256 17:11:07 <randomuser> quaid, i was just saying to zoglesby that 'the button' could check for a FAS cookie and jump to an appropriate link 17:11:25 <randomuser> whether for that user's fork, or to create a new fork, or maybe even the specific file within the repo 17:11:36 <quaid> #link https://github.com/kunaaljain/test-centos-docs 17:11:52 <quaid> c0mrad3: yeah, there were two students who worked on it 17:12:15 <quaid> it connected $git (github or git.centos.org) via Pagure, and setup a queue for reviewers 17:12:29 <quaid> all using a git-like workflow but without going to CLI or having to even know you are using git (that much) 17:12:58 <quaid> randomuser: that's a neat idea 17:13:28 <c0mrad3> quaid: do we have a live instance of this project ? 17:14:40 <quaid> c0mrad3: I didn't follow-up to find a way to make it live; part of that is what Evolution was alluding too, by not having done the political/personal work, I didn't get buy-in for the students' work from the CentOS Docs community; and I didn't have resources I could beg, borrow, steal, or assign to work on it 17:15:33 <quaid> c0mrad3: but I also realized that to some degree, it was a tool a bit ahead of the thinking, in that the vision aligns with what we're discussing today, but the community & leadership thinking was still evolving 17:17:03 <quaid> Evolution: in hindsight, this is why it's crucial you are at this FAD -- you are better for carrying the voice of all of this to the SIGs; the SIGs adopting a tool that aligns with upstream enables CentOS to be a better upstream too; and it avoids all the historical cruft it might carry by associating with me :) 17:17:28 <quaid> heh, as I wrote that I realized the same is true for RH content services -- best to keep my name out of it :) 17:17:31 <Evolution> who doesn't matter. you've got a better docs mindset than I do. 17:17:49 <Evolution> my goal is mostly "get *something* we can point do for docs" 17:18:48 <quaid> totally 17:20:03 <c0mrad3> so we need to tool like http://zanata.org/ but based on git in the back-end, and users need not use the command line to edit it 17:25:21 <quaid> ok, I'm going to now go look at Zanata without prejudice :) 17:27:31 <quaid> I'd figured Zanata did/or could use git on back-end, and yes, like that, like Transifex, like MediaWiki, 17:27:34 <quaid> ... 17:32:56 <quaid> ... meaning, ther are a fair # of examples of UX that make drive-by & semi-regular contributors happy; then the ones that make dedicated contributors happy 17:33:05 <quaid> melding all those on the front-end seems key 17:33:21 <quaid> bakc-end needs to be agnostic on in-take, as much as possible, for a toolchain 17:33:27 <quaid> a project needs to be didactict on in-take 17:33:54 <quaid> and power-users (toolchain creators, maintainers, high-end reviewers) can afford to be a bit more geeky 17:34:04 <quaid> and relaxed is an unstated state-of-mind 17:37:08 <c0mrad3> #link https://github.com/mozilla/kuma 17:39:21 <quaid> thanks, will look in a few hours 17:39:36 <quaid> packing up now to head back to Santa Cruz 17:41:17 <c0mrad3> #info https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/ is also a option to look at it satisfies all our needs except for the git part source is at https://github.com/mozilla/kuma 17:45:24 <randomuser> c0mrad3, that was brought up as an example of a wiki that is successful due in large part to having many people working full time on curation 17:48:52 <c0mrad3> randomuser: just mentioning so that the meeting bot can take it in minutes 18:08:36 * c0mrad3 need to sleep bye guys 18:09:33 <decause> c0mrad3++ 18:36:11 <kushal> randomuser, Do we have decause with you guys today? 18:42:43 <jflory7> kushal: I know decause is down for the FAD in Raleigh this weekend. Not sure what's going on now. 18:43:05 <kushal> jflory7, They are busy discussing I think. 18:43:08 <kushal> Anyway 18:43:14 * jflory7 nods 18:43:18 <jflory7> Probably. 18:43:24 <kushal> jflory7, I will sleep now, have to wake up in few hours :) 18:44:17 <jflory7> o/ 19:00:05 <omiday> hi folks is there anything a late guy at the FAD party can help with? 19:05:17 <randomuser> decause is here, we're currently comparing our requirements established yesterday to prospective implementation descriptions 19:19:31 <randomuser> hello sclark ! 19:19:39 * sclark is now lurking on the FAD video stream 19:19:53 <sclark> randomuser: hello 19:40:16 <decause> https://ethercalc.org/txnb0f8lewsz 19:40:23 <decause> #link https://ethercalc.org/txnb0f8lewsz 19:42:56 <randomuser> fyi, i think meetbot puts any cited link into the meeting summary, with or without the #link tag 19:43:52 <linuxmodder> summary not only the log < #link > is needed for summary unless it got a recent update I missed 19:47:53 <randomuser> I don't understand your statement, linuxmodder 19:48:47 <linuxmodder> the logs contain all links but for it to be in the quick and dirty 'summary' you need to use #link 19:48:53 <sclark> Is someone going to record the meanings of check, plus and minus in the spreadsheet? 19:56:51 <zoglesby> https://pagure.io/docs-fp-o 19:58:44 <linuxmodder> dumb question: are all the current docs in fedora-docs gonna be migrated (again) to that ^ repo ? 19:59:19 <randomuser> no 19:59:43 <linuxmodder> then for those not in the b/j session why the second repo? 19:59:49 <randomuser> that's for a pintail site 20:00:10 <linuxmodder> ?? 20:38:13 <randomuser> sclark, you're muted! 20:40:15 <sclark> randomuser: I was trying to get off mute but my laptop went all unresponsive. No worries. 20:40:24 * randomuser nods 20:40:38 <randomuser> feel free to speak up/over at any time 20:41:04 * sclark nods too 20:54:05 <sclark> stepheng: thanks for providing a vieew of the whiteboard. 21:00:00 * sclark has to leave now (it's getting late here) but hopes to join you again sometime tomorrow. 21:15:33 * quaid realized today that he has never hear ryanlerch's voice until today. 21:15:36 <quaid> #afteralltheseyears 21:24:35 <quaid> +1 on report out before hackfest 21:25:31 <quaid> decause++ 21:25:31 <zodbot> quaid: Karma for decause changed to 45 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:34:05 <quaid> report out is good, I'll be back early tomorrow to pitch in any way I can for hackfest side 21:34:18 <quaid> good FAD! 21:36:13 <quaid> ... still want my badge ... https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/docs-fad-2016 21:36:42 <quaid> badge interface doesn't show who has auth to award, does it? 21:37:27 <randomuser> it doesn't... i'll check 21:38:28 <randomuser> i got you, quaid 21:38:51 * quaid *gasp* 21:38:53 <quaid> thanks randomuser 21:40:08 <quaid> zomg, datanommer is still in the loop 21:53:09 <randomuser> decause, https://fedorapeople.org/groups/docs/fedoradocsfad2016-day2-reportout.webm 00:51:56 <nb> quaid, randomuser and I do 00:52:15 <nb> but looks like he already got it 04:20:35 <d0nn1e> info d0nn1e 09:00:32 <c0mrad3> randomuser: waiting for my badge too, fasusername : dhanvi 09:05:01 <c0mrad3> decause++ for doing a local video rather than bluejeans 14:24:18 <zoglesby> https://pagure.io/docs-fp-o/issues 18:03:38 <randomuser> shaunm, alias check='xmllint --noout --xinclude --postvalid --noent' 18:10:35 <randomuser> hey nb, do you have time for https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1334112 ? 18:27:41 <decause> fedoradocsfad2016-day1reportout.webm 21:15:17 <decause> https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=1511&preview=1&_ppp=4eed05194c 21:15:19 <decause> shaunm: ^ 21:15:26 <decause> randomuser: ^ 21:46:20 <decause> #endmeeting