14:01:06 #startmeeting FAD APAC Singapore 2015 14:01:06 Meeting started Thu Nov 12 14:01:06 2015 UTC. The chair is tuanta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:06 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:01:29 #meetingname Fund support approval round 1 14:01:29 The meeting name has been set to 'fund_support_approval_round_1' 14:01:41 #topic Roll call 14:02:38 .fas harishpillay 14:02:39 harish: harishpillay 'Harish Pillay' 14:02:47 .fas tuanta 14:02:47 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 14:02:52 .fas azneita 14:02:52 azneita: azneita 'Heherson Pagcaliwagan' - ravedien 'Hilbert Pagcaliwagan' - dona 'dona marie grace' 14:02:53 #chair harish 14:02:53 Current chairs: harish tuanta 14:03:06 #chair azneita 14:03:06 Current chairs: azneita harish tuanta 14:03:17 #topic Roll call 14:03:44 harish, azneita should we wait a bit for snavin? 14:04:08 yes wait for him 14:04:25 let me sms him too 14:04:34 he said in 5 min 14:04:34 thanks azneita 14:04:43 ah ok, np 14:05:10 * harish on another voice call so i will observe this for now. 14:06:15 * harish on another voice call so i will observe this for now. 14:06:25 #chair hanthana 14:06:25 Current chairs: azneita hanthana harish tuanta 14:06:34 hi there. start now 14:06:54 yes 14:06:58 #topic Introduction 14:07:27 today is FAD APAC Singapore 2015 Fund support approval round 1 14:07:38 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Singapore_2015 14:08:07 before reviewing each fund request, I would like to have some important notes: 14:08:45 #info FAD budget has not been approved officially yet until now 14:09:17 it is being reviewed by Council, the deadline for them to make decision is tomorrow 14:10:03 #info There are two rounds of fund support approval. One is today and the other is on Saturday 14:10:26 today is for highest priority reviewing 14:10:37 there are some common basic rules: 14:10:53 * Support only one person per APAC country. 14:10:54 * He/she should come from *active* country where there is (at least) one 14:10:55 Fedora activity/event was held last/current year. My idea is if there is 14:10:55 nothing at all in the whole year, even small ones like a release party, 14:10:55 we need a special strategy to improve that country (maybe we can invite 14:10:56 * He/she should be active in those activities/events in his/her country. 14:10:58 * Optional: he/she can *connect* two or more countries for wider events. 14:11:05 any question? 14:12:11 i think those are clear enough 14:12:22 I have something to add 14:12:38 ok, lets go, hanthana 14:13:53 As you can see, accommodation budget is 1200$. I was assuming just one person from each country and I roughly counted APAC countries when I calculate. 14:13:53 go ahead, hanthana 14:14:28 how many people are you expecting? 14:14:31 its hard to help many people on accommodation as its not that cheap in Singapore 14:15:23 earlier i was assuming 6 people 14:15:38 notes that there are 3 nights: 4-5-6 (the FAD ends on Dec 6th, people have not enough time to go to the airport, I think) 14:15:41 1200/3 (nights) 400$ per day 14:15:57 wow, it is expensive 14:16:11 for all of you 14:16:13 we have 12 on the board now 14:17:02 I have sent you more options from booking.com, are those ok? 14:17:10 * tuanta is (re)looking for 14:17:15 that is why I was not happy with giving promises to those who register after the deadline 14:17:44 we can go for shared room 14:18:06 shall we start approving tickets 14:18:26 it has to be shared rooms 14:18:33 yes 14:18:46 +1 14:18:47 bunker beds 14:18:52 #link http://www.booking.com/searchresults.en-gb.html?label=gen173nr-15CAEoggJCAlhYSDNiBW5vcmVmaPQBiAEBmAEuuAEEyAEE2AED6AEB&sid=c0b0c25436d6303bce45b548461f9cc1&dcid=4&checkin_monthday=4&checkin_year_month=2015-12&checkout_monthday=7&checkout_year_month=2015-12&class_interval=1&csflt={}&dest_id=-73635&dest_type=city&dtdisc=0&group_adults=2&group_children=0&hlrd=0&hyb_red=0&inac=0&label_click=undef&nha_red=0&no_rooms=1&redirected_from_city=0&redirected_f 14:18:53 rom_landmark=0&redirected_from_region=0&review_score_group=empty&room1=A%2CA&sb_price_type=total&score_min=0&si=ai%2Cco%2Cci%2Cre%2Cdi&ss=Singapore%2C%20Singapore&ss_all=0&ss_raw=sing&ssb=empty&sshis=0&order=price_for_two&nflt=review_score%3D80%3Breview_score%3D70%3Breview_score%3D90%3B 14:19:00 arr... 14:19:01 sorry, let me shorten it 14:19:36 do you mean backpacker's hotel hanthana? 14:19:43 #link http://ur1.ca/o9hgc 14:20:15 the cheapest is just $42 per person for 3 nights 14:20:43 any of those would be good. they are all near some MRT station and Red Hat's office locaiton is above Tanjong Pagar MRT station. 14:20:52 just show the search results. I am not a local person so I a do not know much about Singapore 14:21:21 but I see a lot of good options 14:21:36 I can see 52 is cheapest 14:21:49 "The Hive Singapore Hotel" looks fine. near a train station. 14:21:58 if needed, we can change to cheaper hotel to give more opportunities for all people 14:22:07 as many people as we can 14:22:10 I meant 14:23:09 harish, its near Boon Keng MRT 14:23:13 not china town 14:23:33 does not matter. 14:23:44 some even offers bfast 14:23:49 get into a train and the rest is easy 14:23:55 yes, it has wifi as well 14:24:06 note that cheap hotels are for backpackers; but I still think they are ok (just need to choose among them) 14:24:12 so perhaps we set it at $50 per person per day. 14:24:21 it is just a place for sleeping at night 14:24:25 for the backpacker type 14:24:40 we do not stay at day time 14:24:47 6 dorm beds for S$ 374.40 14:25:06 per day 14:25:09 harish, the price you see from my link is for 3 nights 14:25:15 not for a night 14:25:19 I can book this right now if you guys OK! 14:25:33 FREE cancellation before 2 Dec 2015 14:25:33 PAY LATER 14:25:33 check on cancellation terms 14:25:37 ok 14:26:20 I think we can set a limit of $100 per person for 3 nights; there are a lot of good choices 14:26:31 Room facilities: View, Safety Deposit Box, Air Conditioning, Fan, Carpeted, Tile/Marble floor, Shower, Shared Bathroom, Shared Toilet 14:26:31 Free WiFi is available in all rooms. 14:26:31 Room size: 18 m² 14:26:32 and I believe we can choose a good one 14:27:00 just take a while to check one by one 14:27:03 go for it 14:27:04 tuanta, what do you mean by 'good one' 14:27:15 a good hotel, sorry 14:27:33 tuanta, we can arrange you Marina Bay Sands for you sir. ;-) 14:27:35 please consider reviews and rates be community 14:27:52 s/be/by 14:28:03 hanthana, what is it? 14:28:20 harish, we have to consider demand during the December. That's why I thought of booking it now 14:28:23 :) 14:29:16 * Orca-Krilozona has one question while i'm okay for any type of hotel. 14:29:32 what's up Orca-Krilozona ? 14:29:51 please consider: reviews, rates, location and it is better to have a look directly 14:29:54 yes we should. mind you the singapore marathon happens that weekend as well and they do have people flying in but probably those people would not be in the cheaper places 14:30:28 Do you guys count if we are holding fedora-related event jointly with other community ? something like I'm presenting about Fedora in BarCamp, IT-Camp or Myanmar Cyber Conference like i mentioned in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Orcakrilozona 14:30:43 ++ 14:30:46 hanthana, harish: is that enough information for you to choose a hotel for us? 14:31:05 Orca-Krilozona: Barcamp Myanmar is biggest tech event in Asia wanted to speak with you anyway abut 14:31:06 just set a limit now and you can choose freely as you want 14:31:38 Orca-Krilozona, represent Fedora everywhere and do it well. that's all we can ask for. 14:31:47 tuanta, yep. 14:32:01 thanks guys ;) acknowledged. :D 14:32:12 so I proposed the limit is $100 per person for 3 nights 14:32:31 we still have many options with that limit 14:32:38 is that ok? 14:33:13 Orca-Krilozona, that's good. You should list those events in Myanmar events list to discuss during FAD :) 14:33:16 yes OK 14:33:22 thanks 14:33:47 acknowledged, tuanta :D 14:33:48 #agreed hotel budget limit is $100 per person for 3 nights 14:34:10 ok, then now, should we start reviewing each ticket? 14:34:24 * harish still on voice call 14:34:30 please go ahead tuan 14:34:49 #topic Ticket #646 14:34:58 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/646 14:35:07 from gnokii 14:35:28 gnokii, you request to support for only one way ticket? 14:35:38 yes 14:36:00 any more questions, azneita harish hanthana ? 14:36:12 how much is the 1-way? 14:36:18 who will book his flight? 14:36:18 approx? 14:36:31 $130 (from the wiki 14:36:38 harish: its app 150$ now, roundtrip is 250$ 14:36:38 ) 14:37:15 ! 14:37:15 tuanta: if you not aware its just 2 weeks now to the date, and flights doesnt get cheaper 14:37:28 anyone else from Cambodia other than your gnokii? 14:37:41 s/your/you 14:37:45 harish: no 14:38:11 ok 14:38:36 just checked, it is $133 from PP to Singapore by Jetstar 14:38:41 that's fine, I think 14:38:53 ok 14:38:56 $159.00, sorry 14:39:04 yeah +airport fee ^^ 14:39:15 voting? 14:39:21 +1 from me 14:39:25 +1 14:39:26 +1 14:39:28 +1 14:39:29 +1 14:40:31 #agreed Approved fund request from gnokii at around $160 14:40:46 #action tuanta to update the ticket 14:41:07 #topic Ticket #644 14:41:19 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/644 14:41:27 it's from me 14:41:54 it is about $300 from Hanoi to Singapore and return 14:42:20 I included flight details 14:42:41 any questions? 14:42:44 Hanoi or HCM? 14:42:49 harish, Hanoi 14:42:52 ok. 14:43:20 approved from me. 14:43:42 +1 14:43:48 +၁ 14:43:50 +1 14:43:53 +1 14:43:54 +1 14:43:55 +1 14:44:29 #agreed Approved fund support for tuanta at around $300 14:44:43 #topic Ticket #645 14:44:51 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/645 14:45:06 from Zsun, from China 14:45:50 I guest that he departs from Beijing but I am not sure (I asked, but he has not answered yet) 14:46:16 he did not send his contacts for the invitation letter as well 14:46:48 hold until he replies. 14:46:54 go on to next then 14:47:12 ++ 14:47:19 just double checked by SkyScanner.com the flight fare is less than $400 with AirAsia 14:47:27 ok, lets hold it 14:47:30 +1 for holding it 14:47:41 +1 for hold 14:47:53 #info hold the ticket #645 until we got enough information 14:48:24 #action tuanta to update ticket #644 and #645 14:49:15 there are no more high priority tickets. 14:49:34 Lets check on the list and see if we should review any more ones 14:49:48 Orca-Krilozona, you have not opened your ticket yet? 14:50:02 why? 14:50:08 it's #651 14:50:16 tuanta, you should check the wiki 14:50:30 we can keep vote for remaining 14:50:39 ah, I see, just updated 14:50:48 yea :D 14:50:54 #topic Ticket #651 14:51:03 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/651 14:51:06 from Orca-Krilozona 14:52:37 Orca-Krilozona: did you check how long it takes to get visa? 14:52:53 Orca-Krilozona, I have just checked, it is $220 by Jetstar. Note that it could be different in booking time 14:53:02 so I am ok with the limit of $250 14:53:19 +1 gnokii 14:53:21 my friends say for visa it takes about 4 days. so 1 week should be enough. 14:53:24 harish already sent an invitation letter to Orca-Krilozona 14:53:34 yep. 14:53:39 Orca-Krilozona: ok then it can work 14:53:40 Orca-Krilozona, is he working at embassy? :) 14:53:47 +1 then from me 14:53:52 +1 14:53:54 +1 from me 14:53:57 yea, for invitation letter, i haven't received yet. 14:53:58 +1 from me 14:53:58 +1 here 14:54:17 #agreed Approved fund support for Orca-Krilozona at around $250 14:54:17 Orca-Krilozona, check your email box dude. 14:54:26 #action tuanta to update the ticket #651 14:54:34 Orca-Krilozona, its a PDF version and singed by harish 14:54:48 hanthana: harish can sing? 14:55:08 :) 14:55:22 si*signedged 14:55:22 hanthana, i got only mail from Danishka saying harish have sent it. 14:55:31 *signed 14:55:33 lol 14:55:44 give me your email ID 14:55:50 we can forward it just now 14:56:03 i sent it via my @redhat.com address 14:56:08 pls send directly to yannaing@cyberwings.asia will be okay. 14:56:09 :D 14:56:49 Orca-Krilozona, check now 14:57:15 next? how about ticket #650 by David Ramsey from Japan? 14:57:25 should we review it today? 14:57:38 tuanta: we should review all today 14:57:47 just got it. hanthana and harish thanks guys. 14:57:48 +1 review today 14:57:55 its only 14 days until the event 14:58:01 ok, let go through all tickets 14:58:26 then 2nd round is for left/pending tickets 14:58:55 #info Kushal has not opened his ticket yet 14:59:22 #action hanthana to ask Kushal to open fund support ticket if he needs a support 14:59:49 I wrote to Kushan, Izhar 15:00:01 #topic Ticket #648 and #649 15:00:20 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/648 15:00:26 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/649 15:00:38 they are both from Phillipines 15:00:41 those are for magie and engels 15:01:02 engels indicated that he'll pay for his fare to join the fad 15:01:22 so only hotel for engel then. 15:01:27 he need only accommodation 15:01:28 magie is the only one for travel support 15:01:36 yes, harish 15:01:46 so, we can get engels in 15:01:55 should we approve both of them. $100 for hotel is not a bid deal for us 15:02:03 should we? 15:02:29 should we need two from each country? 15:02:58 I meant a rule is support one person per each country, but in this case, just Angie needs travel support 15:03:07 nope, one a country is enough it turns then only more into a bazar if there are to many then there is no productive outcome 15:03:23 ok, just an idea 15:03:36 I would like for us to discuss on that only 15:03:43 one, gets approved the other one on hold until we are clear with costs 15:04:00 +1 gnokii. that's fine 15:04:24 so should we firstly approve to support Engels? 15:04:38 i'd say magie first 15:04:46 azneita: +1 15:04:48 thanks azneita 15:04:54 ok from me 15:05:25 azneita, know both of them much more any of us 15:05:43 +1 for Magie 15:05:50 more vote? 15:05:51 +1 15:06:02 +1 15:06:07 +1 15:06:14 +1 from me 15:06:14 +1 15:06:28 +1 15:06:41 #agreed Approved fund support for Magie at around $200 for flight (ticket #648) 15:06:58 #info Set ticket #649 on hold 15:07:11 #action tuanta to update both tickets 15:07:26 #topic Ticket #650 15:07:35 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/650 15:07:46 from David Ramsey, from Japan 15:08:00 I have no idea which order tuanta use 15:08:18 #649 => #650, that's simple 15:08:29 why did you ignored 647? 15:08:59 ah, ok. but topic is started, let it discussed later 15:09:13 nvm 15:10:11 I did a quick search by SkyScanner, the cheapest air fare is around $500 (from Tokyo to Singapore and return) 15:11:14 i doubt that such a fare actually exists between NRT and SIN 15:11:14 David is the former APAC leader 15:11:51 it's true, let me shorten the link 15:12:46 its 330$ with china airlines 15:13:01 via TPE 15:13:38 #link http://goo.gl/HOFEk6 15:13:41 that'll not be a 6 hr flight I reckon 15:13:48 it will be atleast 8 or 9. 15:14:04 $500 is a direct flight by United 15:14:30 one stop flights are cheaper 15:14:44 and because I am viewing from Singapore, the cost is $699. 15:15:03 please see my pasted URL 15:15:06 http://goo.gl/HOFEk6 15:15:41 harish, 699SGD? 15:15:44 sgd 15:15:58 US$492 15:16:02 I am talking about USD 15:16:09 azneita, can you PM me pls :) 15:16:12 yes, in USD 15:18:46 so point it he can fly for 500$ 15:19:17 shall we vote? 15:19:34 yes but I think a direct flight is what that makes sense not one that has a hop. it is already a 6hr flight direct. 15:19:44 if he is OK with a one-stop flight, then fine. 15:19:57 I vote to ask David about that. 15:19:59 will dramsey need any visa? 15:20:11 I dont think so 15:20:14 I don't think so. 15:20:16 azneita, ^ 15:20:18 harish: leave that to him, I mean I always take the cheaper option and for me its then equal if I fly 42 or 36hrs 15:20:19 he will have to check. 15:20:59 that is not the issue really. to be productive, we need people to be rested and alert. 15:21:00 harish, what is the two prices? 15:21:13 i don't know. 15:21:17 ok 15:21:19 +1 harish for asking him 15:21:26 he has listed US$900 in the ticket 15:21:35 hold this ticket on then back in 2nd round 15:21:36 its around 150$ more I am fine to give him 500$ and ask him if he can to ue the cheaper option 15:21:44 that sounds about right to me for NRT<->SIN 15:21:46 he had mentioned in wiki "It should be less than $500, searched by SkyScanner " 15:22:20 hanthana, that's my note 15:22:34 tuanta, oh 15:23:14 lets vote there is another one to go 15:23:30 and we should decide also Kushal and Engels on the end 15:23:51 and Zamir 15:24:33 we have two rounds for review all tickets 15:25:09 and the fact is FAD budget has not been approved by Council yet (deadline is tomorrow) 15:25:20 OK. Kushal $500, Zamir $500 and Engels (only accomodation). Would that be about right? 15:25:24 so we should go back on Saturday 15:25:49 lets take #647 before we stop 15:25:58 yes 15:26:24 callkalpa - 647 15:26:28 #info Hold ticket #650 on to the next meeting 15:26:30 ++ 15:26:49 #topic Ticket #647 15:26:49 do I hear again next meeting? 15:27:04 I already put a message to David 15:27:08 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/647 15:27:28 OK from me. 15:27:29 from callkalpa 15:27:38 +1 15:27:53 +1 from me 15:28:07 +1 15:28:18 +1 15:28:22 I can not remember where he is from 15:28:29 Sri Lanka 15:28:33 lk 15:29:34 tuanta, is that why you forgot his ticket :P 15:29:38 hi 15:29:52 hi izhar 15:29:56 kagesenshi, dude need your ticket 15:30:00 wait2 15:30:08 it seems he is not very active for months ( not sure) 15:30:09 * hanthana I catch him in Facebook lol :D 15:31:02 but there is no more person from Sri Lanka 15:31:45 hi kagesenshi, have you opened your travel support ticket? 15:32:08 tuanta, lets finish this ticket 15:32:41 yes, I am telling my idea, but there is no response from any of you 15:33:16 I am looking at you. 15:33:17 what idea? 15:33:18 so if I need to cast a vote for this ticket now, I prefer to hold it on to the next round 15:33:27 I have only seen an opinionn 15:33:31 tuanta, why? 15:33:41 kagesenshi, you can vote 15:33:46 s/idea/opinion 15:33:47 thanks gnokii 15:34:12 erm.. cant find the component in the fudcon-planning trac related to the event .. whats the ID? 15:34:15 to be honest there was not seen activity from the Phillipines either 15:34:21 why did not you wait for 648 then? 15:34:58 tuanta, I already knew that you don't like this ticket as you just by pass this ticket and started voting for Phillipines 15:34:59 don't side track please. keep the focus. 15:35:57 tuanta, this is a community and you can't force people dude. 15:36:14 please do not do any personal attack. Just discussing based on preset rules 15:36:37 I do not do like or dislike anyone 15:36:39 yeah, same rules should be applicable for Phillipines 15:37:01 tuanta, next year, you can visit Sri Lanka and do your job! 15:37:15 hanthana, please keep on topic 15:38:36 there is already 4 ++ so just one needed more harish hasnt voted, kagesenshi and tuanta 15:39:00