07:01:17 #startmeeting 07:01:17 Meeting started Wed Aug 6 07:01:17 2014 UTC. The chair is flock-b286. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 07:01:17 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 07:01:33 flock-b286, you must use meetingname afte startmeeting 07:01:42 #meetingname Keynote: Free And Open Source Software In Europe: Policies And Implementations 07:01:42 The meeting name has been set to 'keynote:_free_and_open_source_software_in_europe:_policies_and_implementations' 07:01:59 #meetingtopic Introduction 07:03:58 #meetingtopic Big Trends 07:05:22 usage and acknowledgement in public administration has been up and down over time, but nowadays FOSS is in the headlines and used 07:05:53 interesting pilot with 10 public administrator's laptops are FOSS and it's coming to be more common 07:06:31 FOSS is used for everything and everywhere; content management; db; e-gov services; citizen participation; open data ... across all sectors 07:07:01 open data often based on ckan 07:07:43 FOSS in EU institutions; lots of initiatives to migrate more and more towards FOSS (links in slides to lots of articles) 07:09:04 EU commision does a lot of FOSS development itself; a bunch of EU lawyers tweaked the GPL to fit EU law system and created EUPL 07:11:54 what is the flock youtube channel 07:12:13 ? 07:12:37 search for "Flock Fedora 2014" 07:13:52 FOSS is happening across all sectors, including healthcare, education... 07:15:44 ... in defense; Russian government decided several years ago to migrate to FOSS 07:16:03 #meetingtopic Problems 07:16:30 First problem: Too few politicians dig/value FOSS 07:17:25 "[FOSS] creates a virtuous loop b/w the public and private sector, with a recurring public contribution." - Serafin Olcoz Yanguas, formate CIO of Basque Country 07:17:39 Second Problem: The desktop 07:18:12 most visible issue with public administration adoption 07:18:44 Even EU Commission admits it's locked-in 07:19:03 Open Office struggles to provide language support for all EU languages 07:19:14 Third Problem: Procurement 07:21:03 Procurement is a headache; period. "Public procurement" is always happening behind closed doors and makes excuses always for why the process doesn't have to be done in the public; 07:21:31 it's expected to see some improvements in this area coming soon though 07:21:50 Procurement 101: not allowed to use brand names 07:22:49 however there are some loop holes that permit offices to get passed this anyway and it's done, and usually not in favor of FOSS 07:23:06 Forth Problem: Public administrations are "shy" about releasing their code 07:23:06 * mhroncok see zodbot is here, great 07:24:28 However Public Admin offices do have the right to release their code under whatever license they wish (with some caveats) 07:24:44 #meetingtopic Top Three most visible FOSS implementations 07:25:02 1 French Gendarmerie (Dept Defense) 07:25:14 72,000 Ubuntu & OO desktops (as of this summer) 07:25:49 Direct benefits: Licensing +1; lowers TCO by 40% 07:27:29 2. Gover't of Spain's Exremadrua autonomous region; 22,000 Ubuntu desktops deployed 07:28:05 10,000 PCs in healthcare using Lingobex Salud; 22k in govt officies; 93k school PCs running Linux 07:28:30 3. City of Munich; 14,800 Ubuntu and OO desktops 07:29:14 Gates asked: "Why are you doing this"; Ude replied "To gain freedom." Gates: "Freedom from what?" Ude: " Freedom from you, Mr. Gates" 07:29:26 but the future is not assured... 07:30:02 flock-b286, can you please type somewhere far from the camera ? 07:30:31 (thanks; will type more quietly 07:31:03 flock-b286, Thanks, it is the keyboard as I can guess :) 07:32:58 UK is moving to OO! 07:33:12 #meetingtopic "All is Not Well" 07:33:49 Germany Ministry of Foreign Affairs; rouge FOSS deployments successful; but eventually force to revert 07:34:38 Finnish city of Helsinki; counsel wants to start looking at it, but IT refuses 07:34:59 Administrations which igore rules; support for ODF, for example 07:36:37 #meetingtopic Policies on Sharing and Re-Use 07:37:16 study done looking at this topic; list guidelines and policy 07:37:38 Italy adopted rule "must go to FOSS if comparison completed and FOSS won" 07:37:53 Spain requires comparing FOSS options 07:38:33 France signed Ayrault memo; policy on why FOSS is important, useful and beneficial and helps make the case for FOSS 07:38:44 s/policy/guidlines 07:39:05 #meetingtopic Famous Last words 07:39:56 EC is concerned about lockin but it's life; though they know the costs of this lock-in; work is being done, but we have a long way to go 07:40:08 #meetingtopic Q&A 07:42:01 Q: i noticed most failures of deployments are related to desktop issues; have we studied WHY? 07:42:08 A: change mgmt; desktop is OK but IT doesn't want to migrate; we need policy/guidelines to support this process 07:43:33 remark: in Munich. folks were too optimistic; needed to pull back, but progress is still being made, even if political support is wavering a bit; moving to Kolab 07:44:25 Q: of four big problems; biggest is when offices want to move to FOSS; lobbiest derail the initiative; how does it work in EU? 07:45:25 A: same in EU; installing FOSS altertatives is a negotiating tactic to get better proprietary deals; lost of lobby/FUD 07:46:00 Q: why are the top three Ubuntu deployments and how to make them (in the future) Fedora? 07:46:49 A: good question; desktops are more or less equal... better negotiaor? 07:47:22 Q: any programs to help those who want to adopt FOSS build the case? 07:48:22 A: budget is often blocker; some funding out there to help, but not much; initiatves to promote awareness are running, but not much else 07:49:30 resist! by finding holes in procurment process that could block/slow down adoption of proprietary alternatives 07:49:55 #endmeeting