07:28:31 <jflory7> #startmeeting Lightning Talks - Flock 2016
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07:28:33 <jflory7> #meetingname flock2016
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07:28:35 <jflory7> #topic Intro
07:28:39 <jflory7> #info First three talks before the meeting started not logged
07:28:41 <jflory7> #topic Loopabull - Adam Miller
07:28:43 <jflory7> #link https://github.com/maxamillion/loopabull
07:28:45 <jflory7> #topic dgplug summer training - Kushal Das
07:28:53 <jflory7> #info dgplug = Durakpur Linux User Group
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07:29:13 <jflory7> #info dgplug = Durgapur Linux User Group
07:29:15 <jflory7> #link https://dgplug.org/
07:29:35 <jflory7> #info Since 2008, summer training for moving students from users to becoming leaders
07:29:45 <jflory7> Two people here in conference that were a part of the program
07:29:53 <jflory7> #info Around 10 people who become full-time contributors
07:30:13 <jflory7> #info Free and online training
07:30:19 <jflory7> Use IRC for communication
07:30:27 <jflory7> Teaching communication skills for open source communities
07:30:43 <jflory7> Lots of students from dgplug are coming to areas of Fedora for contributing, see #fedora-apps
07:32:20 <jflory7> #info Guest lectures: Contributors like pfrields/stickster talked about docs, lawyers about licensing, other Fedora contributors about developing in Fedora
07:32:31 <jflory7> #help We'd love to have some assistance, check out #dgplug on freenode
07:32:46 <jflory7> #topic Trends in Docs - Milan Navratil
07:32:59 <jflory7> #info Milan is a tech writer @ Red Hat for many years
07:34:07 <jflory7> #info Legos: Buying them you get many bricks. They provide guidance/instructions. "Follow these steps, this is what you will achieve." You can alter it on completion and make it different. Lego guide makers would be great technical writers. Instructions from somewhere like IKEA, a little more difficult
07:34:29 <jflory7> #info Traditional documentation focused on features and availability
07:34:40 <jflory7> Man page is difficult to discern which is most important
07:34:56 <jflory7> #info New documentation focuses on what the user is trying to do, what problem is the user trying to solve
07:35:25 <jflory7> #info Show what can be done by focusing on specific user cases
07:35:32 <jflory7> #info === Minimalism ===
07:35:39 <jflory7> #info Limiting amount of text you need to read to solve problem
07:35:46 <jflory7> People not looking up docs for the kicks of it
07:35:49 <jflory7> Looking to solve a problem
07:36:04 <jflory7> Trying to think carefully about this by minimalizing amount of text
07:37:00 <jflory7> #topic Getting started in the kernel - Laura Abbott
07:37:28 <jflory7> Gave a kernel talk yesterday and lots of people interested in getting started - awesome!
07:37:33 <jflory7> Won't cover everything, but some pointers
07:37:52 <jflory7> #info kernelnewbies is a great site for getting started and is what the kernel Outreachy group uses for getting started
07:38:04 <jflory7> #link https://kernelnewbies.org
07:38:17 <jflory7> #info Think about what your purpose is when wanting to contribute - what do you want to focus on in the project?
07:38:42 <jflory7> Getting started with writing patches on some drivers is helpful for getting started
07:38:44 <jflory7> But then what???
07:38:47 <jflory7> Where do you go?
07:39:07 <jflory7> #info Understanding error messages from the kernel is powerful and helps you deduce problems and figure out a problem
07:39:24 <jflory7> #info If you can patch it, try it; if you report it, read the fix for it later on and understand how it was fixed / changed
07:39:54 <jflory7> #info Learn how PCI interfaces work - on laptops, lots of quirks for variety of hardware and PCI is ever-present in PCI
07:40:14 <jflory7> #info Come contribute to the kernel!
07:40:51 <jflory7> #link http://eudyptula-challenge.org/
07:41:23 <jflory7> #topic Translation pain - Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
07:42:09 <jflory7> #info "Battling" with Marketing for title of non-technical contributor - like to bring more exposure to translating
07:43:06 <jflory7> #info Goal of localization team is update the user experience for a local language
07:47:03 <jflory7> Oops, was distracted for a minute, didn't get to transcribe that one fully
07:47:16 <jflory7> #topic Two-sided platforms and Fedora - Pravin Satpute
07:48:18 <jflory7> #info Thinking of credit card companies: one side is merchants, another side is users
07:48:39 <jflory7> #info Thinking of online merchants, e.g. Amazon: one side is companies selling product, another side is users / customers
07:48:52 <jflory7> #info Many companies that have become successful by using the two-sided approach to targeting different audiences
07:50:02 <jflory7> #info Gaming: As a user, cannot buy games without a console; developers need to write games for platforms
07:50:39 <jflory7> Once the userbase is created, like with credit cards, is very stable and dependable
07:51:02 <jflory7> #info In two-sided platform, becomes difficult for others to join / compete
07:51:07 <jflory7> Taking it into Fedora:
07:51:17 <jflory7> #info Think of Fedora as a platform: one side are developers, another side are users
07:51:27 <jflory7> #info Different Fedora editions now: Workstation, Server, Cloud
07:51:45 <jflory7> #info More developers and communications results in benefits to the other side
07:52:03 <jflory7> Flock is a good opportunity for that
07:52:12 <jflory7> What else can we do to create that two-sided platform?
07:52:21 <jflory7> Has some articles on this idea / thought
07:52:43 <jflory7> #help Consider thinking of this two-sided approach when addressing marketing and other parts of Fedora
07:52:55 <jflory7> #topic Haskell SIG Update - Jens Petersen
07:53:09 <jflory7> First found out about Haskell doing mathematical physics research
07:53:43 <jflory7> #info Haskell is attractive for its mathematical applications and uses; more formal, but helpful for variety of projects / uses
07:53:51 <jflory7> Going to talk about what's good in the Haskell SIG
07:54:12 <jflory7> #info Fedora released 7.8 of Haskell recently (?)
07:54:17 <jflory7> What's coming for F25?
07:54:54 <jflory7> #info Very tight dependency-tracking, avoid updating too many libraries at once
07:56:49 <jflory7> #topic Conclusion
07:56:56 <jflory7> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock/Lightning_Talks_2016
07:56:59 <jflory7> #endmeeting