12:00:24 <pravins> #startmeeting translations
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12:00:24 <pravins> #meetingname translations
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12:00:29 <pravins> #topic T-shirts for active contributors of Translation group  (pravins,
12:00:53 <pravins> #info our ticket on g11n pagure
12:00:57 <pravins> #link #link https://pagure.io/g11n/issue/32
12:01:19 <pravins> Budget is approved by council - as of now $750
12:01:25 <pravins> #info Council ticket
12:01:30 <pravins> #link #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/69
12:01:41 <pravins> Design is ready
12:01:45 <pravins> #info design ticket
12:01:49 <pravins> #link #link https://pagure.io/design/issue/525
12:01:54 <pravins> #chair jibec jonatoni
12:01:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: jibec jonatoni pravins
12:02:57 <aeng> Here?
12:03:19 <pravins> hi aeng :)
12:03:22 <pravins> #chair aeng
12:03:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng jibec jonatoni pravins
12:04:06 <pravins> hi zoltanh7211 :)
12:04:08 <pravins> #chair zoltanh7211
12:04:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng jibec jonatoni pravins zoltanh7211
12:04:37 <pravins> Let me inform again point things again
12:04:45 <pravins> So we have budget approved by council for T-shirts
12:04:52 <pravins> We have design also ready.
12:05:13 <pravins> aeng: already provided list of contributors completed 500+ words translation.
12:05:41 <zoltanh7211> hi, ohio, namaskar to everyone
12:05:54 <pravins> नमस्कार (namaskar)  :)
12:06:14 <jibec> salut Zoltan
12:06:28 <zoltanh7211> yup salut mon ami
12:06:33 <zoltanh7211> :)
12:06:59 <pravins> 🙏  emoji not appearing very well though
12:07:01 <fm-g11n> 15pagure.issue.comment.added -- jibecfed commented on ticket g11n#32: "T-shirts for active contributors of Translation group" 10https://pagure.io/g11n/issue/32#comment-447295
12:07:08 <aeng> International greetings..Lol
12:07:42 <jibec> pravins: have you reached EOF ? ;)
12:08:01 <pravins> yeah, here discussions start
12:08:09 <pravins> only endmeeting remains ;)
12:08:24 <jibec> ok, I think jonatoni started to collect adresses
12:08:32 <pravins> #topic number of tshirts contributor
12:08:47 <jonatoni> yes I have some of the addresses, but not all the people have responded to the email
12:09:02 <jibec> no big deal, how many do we have yet?
12:09:08 <aeng> Individually?
12:09:24 <jonatoni> let mecheck
12:09:26 <pravins> https://ethercalc.org/re6i17qrlwyx
12:10:23 <aeng> Wow, impressive
12:10:40 <pravins> first issue: I see number 67-83 are package maintainers, they do not belong to any language group.
12:10:44 <jibec> pravins: you should elaborate, what do you expect from this (great) ethercalc shet ? ;)
12:11:06 <jonatoni> around 40
12:11:20 <jibec> (and please do not write personnal address in that public file ;))
12:11:38 <pravins> jibec: good point !!
12:12:03 <pravins> jonatoni: lets first resolve issue of how many T-shirts we have to print.
12:12:32 <aeng> 83 from the list?
12:13:52 <pravins> aeng: yes, but from no 67-83 are package maintainers
12:14:05 <pravins> so their stats is just from pull-push to Zanata.
12:14:17 <aeng> Yup yup
12:14:21 <pravins> i think, they do not deserve T-shirt for 500 words translations
12:14:26 <pravins> how other thinks?
12:14:32 <pravins> #chair
12:14:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng jibec jonatoni pravins zoltanh7211
12:15:17 <jibec> +1 if it's only maintainer statistics, I agree it's not part of the t-shirt distribution
12:15:45 <aeng> Seems reasonable
12:16:13 <pravins> same here, me too thinks same.
12:16:17 <zoltanh7211> +1
12:16:21 <jonatoni> +1
12:16:25 <jibec> so, it gives the new number of 65 t-shirt to print
12:16:29 <pravins> in fact jonatoni got few emails from these members that, they dont want T-shirts
12:16:34 <pravins> jibec: exactly.
12:16:45 <zoltanh7211> but
12:16:46 <jibec> for 750$ -> 11,5 $ per t-shirt is the maximum
12:16:53 <zoltanh7211> I suggest something small thing
12:17:03 <pravins> zoltanh7211: means?
12:17:18 <zoltanh7211> I mean a thank you letter just for care in the community is always positive
12:17:23 <aeng> Something small do them?
12:17:28 <aeng> For them..
12:18:34 <pravins> aha, understood, may be we can have some badge for it. 👍
12:18:50 <aeng> Good one!
12:18:58 <jibec> pravins: we'll have a badge for translation contribution already
12:18:58 <zoltanh7211> I mean that we don't want close them out, but mentioning them who packaging for us - or sending out real paper mails is with fedora logo on and some badge is would be useful
12:19:03 <pravins> #idea badge for package maintainers pull-push in Zanata and taking care of translations.
12:19:32 <aeng> Back to the t shirts
12:19:34 <pravins> yes.
12:19:42 <pravins> so, lets go ahead with 65 number?
12:19:54 <pravins> zoltanh7211: i liked the idea, we will consider this in next round.
12:20:07 <aeng> OK. What we need to decide today?
12:20:12 <pravins> #topic number of T-shirts to print
12:20:25 <pravins> aeng: most important distribution strategy, will take that next
12:20:34 <pravins> So, we all agree for 65 T-shirts
12:20:46 <aeng> 65 it is.
12:21:10 <jonatoni> yes
12:21:10 <pravins> I feel, lets not make it complicated and execute our earlier plan.
12:21:20 <jibec> maybe one or two more, we should offer one to FPL & FCAIC and ask them to wear it during flock ;)
12:21:21 <aeng> Which is?
12:21:32 <pravins> jibec: nice idea.
12:21:50 <pravins> lets add there name.
12:22:11 <jibec> (if it is compatible with the money, and if you're ok with this way to promote L10N)
12:22:36 <pravins> added.
12:23:17 <pravins> Ok, seems we are all ok with the number
12:23:23 <pravins> So, its come to 67 now.
12:23:25 <jibec> 750÷67=11,2$
12:23:57 <pravins> lets bex take a call on buffer, i.e. extra T-shirt
12:24:17 <pravins> #agreed Number of T-shirts 67
12:24:34 <pravins> #topic Printing plan
12:25:01 <pravins> out of 67 - more than 60% people are from EMEA, so we decided to print in BRNO
12:25:07 <pravins> BRUNO
12:25:41 <pravins> lets move to last and most important topic
12:25:41 <jonatoni> Brno*
12:26:01 <pravins> thanks jonatoni :)
12:26:08 <pravins> #topic distribution plan
12:26:23 <pravins> i am not sure about this, so please guide :)
12:26:25 <pravins> #chair
12:26:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng jibec jonatoni pravins zoltanh7211
12:26:53 <jonatoni> we need to coordinate with bex about this
12:27:02 <jonatoni> he has more experience and can help us
12:27:08 <jonatoni> to create a plan
12:27:10 <pravins> agree
12:28:00 <pravins> jonatoni: do you think, we cna handover it to language coordinator, if possible?
12:28:23 <pravins> so like for French - jibec can collect for his team members
12:28:42 <pravins> jonatoni: you can collect for Albanian team
12:29:04 <pravins> zoltanh7211: can collect T-shirts for Hungarian team
12:29:17 <jonatoni> yep that would help us a lot
12:29:25 <jonatoni> and reduce the costs
12:29:42 <jibec> theoretically yes, but two of the french team are in another part of the world :p
12:30:06 <pravins> ohh, then we can directly ship them from Brno office
12:30:39 <pravins> jonatoni: who can help for Portuguese (Brazil) team distribution?
12:30:46 <pravins> how about German team?
12:30:56 <jibec> I have a suggestion
12:31:17 <pravins> yep
12:31:49 <jibec> we should ask bex to check which people are registered for Flock. And handle this list separatly, I'm sure to go there, I can handle this.
12:32:23 <pravins> jibec: not understood clearly :(
12:32:30 <aeng> If the printing can be done by flock , We should try to get them to distribute it there
12:32:53 <pravins> bexelbie: mentioned, bringing T-shirt to flock will be costly.
12:32:55 <aeng> Or get whoever in flock to help distribute back to their countey
12:33:03 <aeng> Country
12:33:37 <aeng> Well.. back to square one
12:33:59 <jibec> pravins: we should see how many are going to flock, maybe we should print in the US
12:34:12 <pravins> jibec: nope, US printing is further costly.
12:34:39 <pravins> but before printing, we need T-shirt sizes
12:34:40 <jonatoni> yep, agree with pravins
12:34:52 <pravins> i think, while communicating for sizes, we can get more idea for distribution as well.
12:34:57 <aeng> Ya sizes...
12:35:01 <pravins> lets divide task for communication?
12:35:25 <jibec> pravins: yep, let's add a column in your file
12:35:26 <pravins> so at present, if you see handover column, can these members collect sizes from members?
12:35:32 <pravins> jibec: +1
12:36:12 <zoltanh7211> pravin: I suggest one shoot path: only store at Brno, and when events are coming or we meet again - we can handle them
12:36:19 <pravins> jibec: perfect
12:36:47 <pravins> zoltanh7211: yes, that is plan as of now, we will print in brno and then distribute as per plan.
12:37:02 <zoltanh7211> pravins: okay
12:37:23 <pravins> aeng: please add your name in front of BNE folks :)
12:37:53 <pravins> long meeting :(
12:38:00 <jibec> zoltanh7211: do you know Czech people?
12:38:17 <zoltanh7211> jibec: who do you think of?
12:38:34 <jibec> mareksu
12:38:37 <jibec> peartown
12:38:37 <pravins> jibec: i think jonatoni can help here, she had been to Czech multiple times :)
12:38:38 <jibec> zdenek
12:38:46 <jibec> pravins: ok, good
12:39:09 <jibec> I took a big part of western europe
12:39:11 <jonatoni> yep I know a lot of people from Red Hat offices in Brno
12:39:13 <zoltanh7211> jibec: most of them are in around Brno, but yes many HU guys are also work for RH Brno
12:39:27 <pravins> jonatoni: i hope, you are here https://ethercalc.org/re6i17qrlwyx
12:39:36 <jonatoni> yes
12:40:34 <pravins> jibec: can you provide reference for T-shirt sizes, so all can provide same email to all.
12:40:50 <pravins> forward email to me as well :)
12:41:08 <pravins> or jonatoni should we get this listed from eischmann, i.e. from vendor?
12:41:13 <aeng> Pravins, I can collect from Noriko, myself and tchuang
12:41:20 <pravins> aeng: sure.
12:41:52 <pravins> zoltanh7211: can you get sizes for gyeben, meskobalazs ?
12:41:57 <jibec> pravins: it depends on the tshirt shop, but it basically is from S to XL, slimfit/regular
12:41:57 <jonatoni> pravins what do we need from the vendor?
12:42:28 <pravins> T-shirt sizes and dimensions
12:42:34 <pravins> jibec: it varies from country to country
12:42:47 <jonatoni> from S to XXXL were the ones for Fedora proud user, but yeah I can ask Jiri about this
12:43:17 <pravins> jonatoni: yeah, please provide that reference to all of us, so we can use that while getting exact sizes from members.
12:43:35 <pravins> S in India, China and US varies :)
12:43:36 <jonatoni> okay, sure
12:43:43 <zoltanh7211> pravins: yes, I get the sizes
12:43:53 <pravins> zoltanh7211: great thanks.,
12:44:05 <pravins> i think bexelbie will also guide us here.
12:44:11 <jonatoni> yes
12:44:11 <zoltanh7211> one moment - if they are online - I do it now
12:44:34 <pravins> #action All people will collect T-shirts sizes from allotted numbers
12:44:44 <jibec> in the meanwhile, there is still a lot of empty cells in "Contributor responsible for collecting sizes"
12:45:11 <jonatoni> I can help with this, I can send them again an email to collect the sizes
12:45:14 <pravins> jibec: yeah, jonatoni can you take care of it?
12:45:20 <pravins> jonatoni: great, thanks :)
12:45:35 <aeng> Guys, gtg now. I will catch up in the spreadsheet and email
12:46:11 <pravins> aeng: sure, thanks
12:47:14 <pravins> so, now action items
12:47:26 <pravins> 1. jonatoni will get T-shirt size and reference from Jiri
12:47:46 <pravins> 2. pravins jibec zoltanh7211 aeng jonatoni will use that email while communicating with contributors
12:48:04 <pravins> 3. once, all list ready, we can start talking with bex for printing
12:48:07 <pravins> looks good?
12:48:09 <pravins> #chair
12:48:09 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng jibec jonatoni pravins zoltanh7211
12:49:01 <jibec> zoltanh7211 said something about getting sizes, I am not sure it he look for T-shirt size or jonatoni
12:49:26 <zoltanh7211> jibec: added to the spreadsheet
12:49:36 <zoltanh7211> in ethercalc
12:49:44 <zoltanh7211> all three missing sizes
12:50:24 <jibec> ok
12:50:45 <jibec> pravins: your action item is correct ;)
12:51:07 <zoltanh7211> jibec: anything else?
12:51:09 <pravins> zoltanh7211: very quick :)
12:51:17 <jibec> zoltanh7211: nope, it's perfect
12:51:25 <zoltanh7211> yup they were online
12:51:30 <pravins> then, lets stop here and meet again next week?
12:51:37 <pravins> same time, tue?
12:51:42 <jibec> +1
12:51:51 <zoltanh7211> +1
12:51:57 <pravins> nice.
12:52:12 <pravins> jonatoni: ?
12:52:15 <jonatoni> +1
12:52:15 <jibec> please get t-shirt sizes as soon as possible ;)
12:52:55 <pravins> jibec: yeah, jonatoni all depends upon you now ;)
12:53:02 <pravins> ok, lets stop here then?
12:53:22 <jonatoni> will do my best :P
12:53:31 <pravins> :)
12:53:37 <jibec> jonatoni: you're gonna do well!
12:53:46 <pravins> i am stopping here.
12:53:47 <pravins> #endmeeting