06:29:24 #startmeeting Fedora-India 06:29:24 Meeting started Sun Dec 20 06:29:24 2009 UTC. The chair is hiemanshu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 06:29:24 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 06:29:31 #chair franciscod 06:29:31 Current chairs: franciscod hiemanshu 06:29:39 #topic who's here 06:29:50 im here :) 06:29:53 #topic whos here 06:30:06 Jaideep 06:30:08 dilip khanolkar 06:30:13 Pratyush Verma' 06:30:15 Ankur Sinha 06:30:20 Kushal Das 06:30:21 Imran 06:30:22 Hiemanshu Sharma 06:30:33 * franciscod waits for anymore folks 06:30:39 Lets wait a couple of minutes 06:30:43 zodbot: Arun SAG 06:30:49 oops 06:30:56 franciscod: Then you can go on with the Agenda 06:30:59 kushal: here? ;)? 06:31:10 franciscod, actually in Pune 06:31:15 hiemanshu: we could wait 2 minutes, for people to join in.. 06:31:22 mbuf: ? 06:31:29 Dhakshina Moorthy 06:31:30 06:31:31 franciscod: thats what I said 06:32:10 ashwin_man: here? 06:32:27 skbohra: ? 06:32:44 up! 06:32:58 skbohra: name please? for the roll call :) 06:33:16 Shree Kant Bohra 06:33:39 Prajwal: Roll call going on, Please reply with your full name 06:33:54 okay.. lets move on, people can join in as they come 06:33:55 Prajwal Panchmahalkar 06:34:03 Vamshi Krishna 06:34:09 Shakthi Kannan 06:34:22 lets begin with newbie introductions, so we know each other before we begin to discuss 06:34:38 #topic Introductions 06:34:39 #topic new comers 06:34:47 Ashwin Mansinghka 06:35:02 franciscod: I ll leave it to you so we dont mess up 06:35:28 whod like to go first? "!" to speak, "?" for question, EOF when youre done 06:35:43 ! 06:35:51 zer0c00l: floor's all yours :) 06:36:00 yes,Let me introduce myself 06:36:04 I am Arun S A G 06:36:18 It is my first Fedora-india irc meeting 06:36:46 I am a fedora ambassador and a beginner level package maintainer 06:37:03 I blog at arunsag.wordpress.com 06:37:06 SeaOrifice: I am Akshay Patil, Just another RMS Fan and I have just dived in here 06:37:16 EOF 06:37:16 SeaOrifice: Please wait for yor turn 06:37:27 zer0c00l: ? 06:37:32 oh some people already know me 06:37:56 zer0c00l: how you doing with the packaging? 06:38:07 #link arunsag.wordpress.com 06:38:33 franciscod: can i share my experiences on packaging now ? 06:38:50 franciscod: or later? 06:39:00 zer0c00l: i think you should do it all now :) 06:39:09 franciscod: ok then 06:39:24 ! 06:39:34 jdk2588: Just a second 06:39:47 I started packaging with emacs-haskell-mode 06:39:55 jdk2588: I ll tell you when zer0c00l is done :) 06:40:14 please include links etc as you feel necessary 06:40:16 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=517366 06:40:42 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=517366 06:40:46 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=517366 06:40:53 It is part of my training at dgplug 06:41:01 mbuf mentored me 06:41:30 For any one want to start with packaging please check http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/howtos/packaging-rpm-workflow.html 06:41:40 #link http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/howtos/packaging-rpm-workflow.html 06:42:11 However my first approved package was emacs-irsim-mode 06:42:32 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=543383 06:42:49 The package is part of FEL -F13 target 06:43:41 Chitlesh sponsored me 06:44:40 For newbies: if you want to be sponsored quick package things for SIGS and spins 06:45:02 ! 06:45:32 For those who are interested in electronics may contribute to #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-electronic-lab/ 06:45:35 mbuf: yes 06:45:58 zer0c00l: the #link should come in the starting 06:46:05 chitlesh also mentored zer0c00l when reviewing those mentioned packages 06:46:15 EOF 06:46:16 #link For those who are interested in electronics may contribute to https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-electronic-lab/ 06:46:22 mbuf: i missed that , thanks :) 06:46:30 #link http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html#user-reference 06:46:38 #link http://spins.fedoraproject.org/fel/ 06:47:36 #link For those who are interested in pentesting and security check Fedora's security spin https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SecuritySpin 06:47:50 zer0c00l: You stole my part 06:47:58 Indeed, SPINs are a great way to contribute 06:48:08 hiemanshu: :) 06:48:12 lol 06:48:39 ! 06:48:46 i have some check list for newbie package maintainers 06:48:49 mbuf: yes 06:49:08 even on IRC channel "speakers" are made helpless :p 06:49:13 ! 06:49:23 mbuf: If you have something to say related to topic just go ahead 06:49:29 EOF 06:49:31 jdk2588: yes 06:49:43 hiemanshu, just kidding at the 'stole my part' 06:50:02 franciscod: u were about to have a hands on session 06:50:03 mbuf: I know, you go ahead with these without asking for permission :) 06:50:17 jdk2588: Thats for later 06:50:27 ok back to topic 06:50:38 jdk2588: #info yep, we decided to keep that separately, in this week maybe, ill post to the list 06:50:50 So , i have a small checklist for newbie package maintainers 06:50:59 please continue 06:51:20 1. Never post it in bugzilla , before building the srpm in koji 06:51:38 Whenever you do some changes make sure it works well 06:51:46 Double check things 06:52:06 2. Test the srpm with rpmlint 06:52:11 ok 06:52:18 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join 06:52:45 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package 06:53:03 #link common rpmlint warnings and errors can be resolved with the help of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_Rpmlint_issues 06:53:16 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/CreatingPackageHowTo 06:53:19 So check both srpm and rpms with rpmlint and resolve any errors and warnings 06:53:51 zer0c00l: The URL must be the first thing on the line, after #link for meetbot :) 06:54:07 franciscod: nope it will work that way too 06:54:15 franciscod: ok 06:54:33 hiemanshu: see the link on meetbot reference ive pasted above 06:54:41 zer0c00l: please go on 06:54:54 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/ReviewGuidelines 06:55:46 franciscod: yes 06:56:19 4. You look at a upstream project and you want to package it for fedora, then do the following 06:56:54 * Search whether the package is already available in the repository 06:57:19 #link http://fedoraproject.org/PackageReviewStatus/ check whether the package is already under review 06:58:08 #info to search for existing bugs on a package, http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/ 06:58:52 It happened to me with emacs-jabber 06:59:25 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=522046 My bugzilla entry was closed as a duplicate to another :( 06:59:36 * franciscod giggles 07:00:10 5. Give attention to license filed in spec file 07:00:21 Whether its is GPLv2 or GPLv3 or both etc 07:01:05 6. Check md5sum of your source rpm everytime you upload it to your fedorapeople space 07:01:36 match the md5sum with your local package 07:01:45 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedorapeople.org 07:02:09 6. Never fix the upstream packages by hand, all modifications to the upstream should me done with a patch 07:02:15 s/6/7 07:02:16 * hiemanshu just had a power cut, might DC anytime 07:02:30 oops powercut 07:02:34 here 07:02:41 ooh hiemanshu 07:03:01 8. And always submit your patches to upstream 07:03:11 Morpheuss: save this log for me 07:03:20 anyways go on, if UPS fies down, i ll use my phone 07:03:35 Prajwal: i will post the logs to the list, nothing to worry about 07:03:38 sure 07:03:46 Ok that it :) 07:03:54 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#All_patches_should_have_an_upstream_bug_link_or_comment 07:03:58 zer0c00l: EOF? 07:04:01 who wants to go next? 07:04:02 wait 07:04:20 ! 07:04:41 and i wish to use this opportunity to thank mbuf and chitlesh for helping and mentoring me :) 07:04:48 I just want to add that one cannot force F/OSS on to anyone 07:05:01 and i thank kushal for conducting dgplug summer training 07:05:05 EOF 07:05:12 mbuf: agreed 07:05:19 it is very important for people to have the interest; what we can do is to help nurture the interest 07:05:58 so, unless, people are really interested and committed to learning, working, and contributing, it is best not to waste others' time too 07:06:15 sure, we are happy that you use our systems; and we are grateful for that 07:06:24 vermapratyush: your first meet? would you like to go next? once mbuf is done ? 07:06:45 it does take time; and we need to be very patient when working with new comers 07:06:50 EOF 07:06:52 franciscod, yeah sure 07:07:01 ! 07:07:02 vermapratyush: floor is yours 07:07:09 ashwin_man: shoot 07:07:20 I am Pratyush Verma, currently doing Computer Science in BIT Mesra 07:07:29 When do we discuss the F12 expereinces ? 07:07:36 ashwin_man: Later :) 07:07:45 I am fedora ambassador mentored by mether 07:08:33 after the zer0c00l's tutoriual on packaging i think i will soon start sometime 07:08:43 on packaging 07:08:55 * franciscod makes a note ;) 07:09:21 I am a member of the LUG in BIT thats called the BITLUG 07:09:31 vermapratyush: You can ask zer0c00l and mbuf for help, I can help a little as well 07:09:50 vermapratyush: That is not my tutorial :) its mbuf 's . I just prepared some tips 07:10:22 we had a install fest and few workshop on shell scripting, in july-aug 07:10:58 zer0c00l, ok, will consult you or mbuf when req. 07:11:01 vermapratyush: any links to a blog post etc? 07:11:12 yeah i do have a blog its 07:11:19 vermapratyush.co.cc 07:11:36 #link http://vermapratyush.co.cc 07:11:45 vermapratyush: is it added to planet.fedoraproject.org? 07:12:21 ya, i tried but i was getting some problem in adding, when i tried ssh i gat an error access denied 07:12:25 or something like that 07:12:44 vermapratyush: okay, we can have a look at that after the meeting 07:12:47 * franciscod makes a note 07:12:51 please continue 07:13:39 EOF 07:14:30 who else is sorta new and would like to introduce themselves? 07:15:02 jdk2588, is also "sorta" new, i think 07:15:24 jdk2588: hes been around for a while, we met him at foss.in etc :) 07:15:37 ! 07:15:38 franciscod, oh.. ok 07:15:46 jdk2588: your turn :) 07:16:09 ok at last meet up I introduced about lugb 07:16:18 Linux Users Group Bikaner 07:16:32 here is the #link http://lugb.in 07:17:22 ! 07:17:39 skbohra: go on 07:18:05 jdk2588: ! (after skbohra is done) 07:18:59 trying to make this domain a center point of our activities 07:19:22 we setup an mailing list and an irc channel as well 07:19:34 we have setup our mailing list lugb_ml@lugb.in 07:20:36 vermapratyush: do you have a FAS account? 07:20:37 jdk2588: you were setting up local repo as well ? 07:21:06 hiemanshu, yes 07:21:11 yes I got the dump and will be setting it up soon 07:21:21 vermapratyush: Please come to #fedora-social 07:21:58 27 members of lugb were at foss.in 07:22:19 skbohra: jdk2588 you should add all this to the foss.in retrospection that's been going on.. 07:22:38 sure 07:23:02 +1 franciscod 07:25:08 EOF 07:25:29 jdk2588: your turn ? 07:25:33 Who wants to next? 07:25:43 ashwin_man: you want to? 07:25:59 sure 07:26:02 EOF 07:26:03 ashwin_man: Go on 07:26:42 Hello everyone, wanted to share something about F12 07:27:02 I have installed it on 3 systems 07:27:16 each in a different way 07:27:40 one was with plane DVD ...and a fresh install 07:27:53 power off. out 07:28:11 the other 2 pcs do not have DVD drive 07:28:27 was there fore forced to do a local network install 07:28:46 and both had F11 and the activity was to upgrade 07:29:04 out of these 2 again 07:29:23 one was booted with netinstall CD 07:29:44 finally the last one was more troublesome 07:29:53 i.e. my laptop 07:30:20 no USB boot, the CDROM drive does not work and there is no floppy drive 07:30:39 was then forced to use PXE install and it worked smooth 07:30:49 there is still a problem 07:30:55 with the laptop 07:31:30 There is a regular crash with kernel oops reporting apic issues 07:31:52 ACPI ? 07:32:02 ashwin_man: can you give me the link to download netinst.iso for fc12 i386 ? 07:32:28 manud: fedoraproject.org/get/get-fedora-all 07:32:38 no it is not ACPI 07:32:46 it is APIC 07:33:35 manud: Sorry its http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-all 07:33:48 ACPI = Advanced Configuration and Power Interface 07:33:56 APIC = Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controllers 07:34:02 ashwin_man, could try intel_iommu=off in kernel command line on menu.lst 07:34:26 noapic let me boot 07:34:49 hmm. can the troubleshooting be done after the agendas been taken care of please? 07:34:55 but the X server does not work...rather the system hangs when X is started 07:35:27 well this is a feedback now 07:35:32 we still have feedback on foss.in to do.. and the other newbies can introduce themselves and ptich their queries if they have 07:35:33 hiemanshu: thanks 07:35:34 any suggestions can be done later 07:35:42 EOF 07:36:29 I'll just finish up my bit: 07:36:38 Feedback on F12 : 07:37:11 as always, fedora loves my hardware, there was a bug in the noveau driver while fading that caused me trouble initially.. 07:37:15 its been fixed. 07:37:29 the kmod-nvidia failed for me this release. 07:37:39 it got me a blank screen, with X failing to start 07:38:09 fedora solved now has a howto for kmod-nvidia which needs you to rebuild your initrd to prevent nouveau from loading 07:39:05 i got myself a tablet which needed wizardpen to function 07:39:23 #link http://fedorasolved.org/video-solutions/nvidia-yum-kmod 07:39:46 Ive put up a howto on fedorasolved for wizardpen supported tablets, its under revire 07:39:50 s/revire/review 07:40:16 i havent packaged much lately, ive been busy with fedora-tour lately 07:40:28 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-tour/wiki/WikiStart 07:40:47 #link http://fedorasolved.org/Members/ankursinha/tablets-on-f12-using-wizardpen <- tabler 07:41:24 foss.in was great, 07:41:57 i met mether(rahul), kushal, rangeen , hiemanshu, shrink , susmit, anjhan etc 07:42:18 the POTD was good too, will put up my views on the restrospection page soon 07:42:26 think thats all 07:42:27 EOF 07:43:09 i think most of the agendas been taken care of 07:43:28 anyone else whod like to add? agenda related? 07:43:38 else we can declare an open floor and get on with it 07:44:28 * franciscod wonders if anyones still around 07:44:36 hiemanshu: dint you have a lot to say? 07:44:51 * zer0c00l waves 07:45:04 vermapratyush, waves 07:45:24 ! 07:45:34 skbohra: floors yours 07:45:42 plans for f12 release parties 07:45:53 #topic f12 release parties 07:46:01 proceed 07:46:15 had anyone organized yet ? 07:46:35 ! 07:46:41 jdk2588 is planning to organize here 07:47:01 if anyone can share their experience with release party 07:47:15 i will have one once i get back into college.. early january 07:47:33 franciscod: Sorry was out 07:47:38 skbohra: ! 07:47:44 related to the lugb site 07:47:52 sure 07:47:59 "8. install webchat on lugb.in server and give a link of it on the front page, something like irc.lugb.in would be nice" 07:48:09 wouldnt it be better to just have a channel on freenode.net? 07:48:31 franciscod: webchat that autoconnects to their channel 07:48:41 That can be done 07:48:42 most people here dont have irc clients install 07:48:46 looks like you people have a different irc server in mind? "irc.lugb.in" ? 07:48:55 oops 07:49:17 no, just a web client 07:49:23 jdk2588: ^^ ? 07:49:47 skbohra: Do you have anything in mind for what to install? I can help you with it if you want 07:49:53 skbohra: pleae correct the page then, its a little confusing.. 07:50:06 will do 07:50:17 skbohra: i think an irc howto link would be simpler.. 07:50:19 hiemanshu: sure, 07:50:24 hiemanshu: what say? ^ ? 07:50:51 franciscod: Put up a page with instructions, and a like to webchat.freenode.net 07:50:56 link** 07:51:10 hiemanshu: it would be great if you can share what we can put and how we can organize the site more better 07:51:15 jdk2588: skbohra ^^ comments? 07:51:27 ya 07:51:30 skbohra: Sure, Ping me any time tommorrow 07:51:53 we are about to organize a F12 release party in January 07:51:54 franciscod: we have an irc instructions page, will update it 07:52:00 #action jdk2588 skbohra hiemanshu do stuff to the lugb site , irc client etc 07:52:25 franciscod: Lets move on 07:52:29 but before that I would other members of lugb to have a session over packaging 07:52:33 franciscod: Let me take control now 07:52:43 jdk2588: I am going to speak about it so just wait 07:52:47 ok 07:52:51 #topic Packaging Week 07:52:58 So we are planning to have a packaging week 07:53:05 Starting on Jan 4th 07:53:18 Where some of the best Fedora-Packagers are going to be aroun 07:53:20 around** 07:53:29 and Teach people how to package 07:53:38 Right now the talk is still going on 07:53:53 hiemanshu: ! 07:53:57 We will have a theory session and then a hands-on session everyday 07:53:59 zer0c00l: shoot 07:54:00 hiemanshu: in #fedora-classrooms ? 07:54:03 zer0c00l: yes 07:54:21 There are going to be a lot of people I anticipate 07:54:26 hiemanshu: place ? 07:54:37 manud: I will announce it all to the list 07:54:49 hiemanshu: ok 07:54:59 manud: But it will mostly be during Night times as most people are from the otherside of the world 07:55:41 I will be emailing the list soon with details 07:55:51 So if anyone is interested you can just jump in 07:56:06 bye 07:56:28 Thats about it from me 07:57:25 franciscod: GO on now 07:57:47 hiemanshu: can you please give a link to the mailing list regarding the packaging week? 07:58:17 franciscod: Just a second, I ll have to search :( 07:58:24 hiemanshu: take your time 07:58:32 #topic open floor 07:58:34 ! 07:58:43 vAMsHI: floors yours :) 07:58:57 what we have to do in review process ? 07:59:10 mbuf: ^^ 07:59:27 vAMsHI: the review process is when a reviewer checks if your package is good enough to be submitted 07:59:36 hiemanshu, reviewers will give comments, and if there are any fixes, one needs to fix them 07:59:54 okay 07:59:59 ok 08:00:10 mbuf: there are tiers for packagers right? i cant recall them, mether had said during POTD 08:00:26 like sponsor, reviewer etc. do you remember them? 08:00:33 franciscod, yes 08:00:53 franciscod, only a sponsorer can approve a project for inclusion in Fedora 08:01:19 franciscod, once your package is approved, you become a package maintainer for the project 08:01:28 #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/classroom/2009-December/000103.html 08:01:35 okay 08:01:37 franciscod, also anyone who is member of the packager group can and should review others' packages 08:01:50 EOF 08:02:00 everything is built on trust; but, to build trust takes time 08:02:03 mbuf: another package maintainer cannot review my package and say it approved? 08:02:16 zer0c00l, only a sponsorer can 08:02:22 zer0c00l, they can review 08:02:28 and give you Karma 08:02:32 mbuf: ok 08:02:38 zer0c00l, I reviewed your package, but, only chitlesh can sponsor 08:02:48 mbuf: ok 08:03:07 more queries? 08:03:16 coming back to trust, it takes time to build it; 08:03:26 i have 1 question 08:03:28 it is also a means to see if a person entering into packaging is fully committed to the task in hand 08:03:38 but totally out of topic 08:03:56 sure, it is not everybodys' liking 08:04:01 dilipkhanolkar, shoot! 08:04:05 dilipkhanolkar: open floor :) 08:04:34 when will the medias for ambassadors be shipped 08:04:47 dilipkhanolkar, which city are you from? 08:04:50 i have some requests pending 08:04:52 *or at 08:04:53 mumbai 08:05:07 franciscod: When do you plan to host the release party? I think I ll drop in 08:05:10 dilipkhanolkar, did you contact the local user group in Mumbai? 08:05:16 franciscod: I have some Goodies as well (Stickers) 08:05:35 hiemanshu: early jan.. ill ping you and the list 08:05:39 i dont have any contact details 08:05:39 franciscod: Great 08:05:46 dilipkhanolkar, please subscribe to their mailing list, http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers and ask there 08:05:55 dilipkhanolkar, you don't need contact details to write an e-mail to a mailing list 08:06:05 dilipkhanolkar: you can also ask folks from the pune lug, mether, sankarshan etc are all there IIRC 08:06:23 youll get media in a day from LUGMumbai or LUG Pune 08:06:26 ! 08:06:41 ok 08:06:46 ! 08:06:56 franciscod, shoot 08:07:11