17:02:30 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting Fedora Join - 2019-01-29
17:02:30 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jan 29 17:02:30 2019 UTC.
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17:02:30 <zodbot> The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:02:30 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_join_-_2019-01-29'
17:02:36 <FranciscoD> #meetingname fedora-join
17:02:36 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-join'
17:02:58 <FranciscoD> #chair bt0 hhlp akarshanbiswas dhanesh95 x3mboy
17:02:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD akarshanbiswas bt0 dhanesh95 hhlp x3mboy
17:03:07 <FranciscoD> If I've missed anyone, please let me know
17:03:10 <FranciscoD> #topic Roll call
17:03:12 <FranciscoD> .hello2
17:03:13 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Sorry, but you don't exist
17:03:17 <FranciscoD> .hello
17:03:19 <zodbot> FranciscoD: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
17:03:31 <FranciscoD> .hello ankursinha
17:03:32 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
17:03:40 <FranciscoD> very helpful..
17:03:44 <FranciscoD> .fasinfo ankursinha
17:03:49 <zodbot> FranciscoD: User: ankursinha, Name: Ankur Sinha, email: sanjay.ankur@gmail.com, Creation: 2008-05-28, IRC Nick: FranciscoD, Timezone: Europe/London, Locale: en_GB, GPG key ID: E629112D, Status: active
17:03:52 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Approved Groups: robotics-sig @ask-fedora scitech @neuro-sig @fedora-join cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs @freemedia sysadmin sysadmin-ask packager @gitfedora-tour cla_fpca @gitfpaste +qa
17:03:56 <bt0> .fas bt0dotninja
17:03:57 <zodbot> bt0: bt0dotninja 'Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez' <hotgalan@gmail.com>
17:04:02 <bt0> #info Alberto Rodriguez S;UTC-6;CommOps, Join, Marketing and more...
17:04:09 <akarshanbiswas> .fasinfo akarshanbiswas
17:04:10 <zodbot> akarshanbiswas: User: akarshanbiswas, Name: Akarshan Biswas, email: akarshan.biswas@gmail.com, Creation: 2018-11-28, IRC Nick: akarshanbiswas, Timezone: Asia/Kolkata, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 123C 9751, Status: active
17:04:13 <zodbot> akarshanbiswas: Approved Groups: fedora-join cla_done cla_fpca
17:04:15 <hhlp> .fasinfo hhlp
17:04:20 <zodbot> hhlp: User: hhlp, Name: Héctor H. Louzao P., email: louzaoh@gmail.com, Creation: 2010-11-04, IRC Nick: hhlp, Timezone: Europe/Madrid, Locale: es, GPG key ID: 551674DA1050A1C2FA596D31F2401337D6AB9C1D, Status: active
17:04:23 <zodbot> hhlp: Approved Groups: fedora-join @ask-fedora cla_fpca cla_fedora cla_done
17:04:31 <FranciscoD> #info .fasinfo ankursinha
17:04:37 <FranciscoD> nope, doesn't work
17:04:42 <FranciscoD> that would make life easier
17:04:44 <FranciscoD> #undo
17:04:44 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by FranciscoD at 17:04:31 : .fasinfo ankursinha
17:04:54 <FranciscoD> Moving to first topic then
17:04:58 <FranciscoD> #topic Announcements
17:04:59 <alciregi> .hello2
17:04:59 <akarshanbiswas> #info Akarshan Biswas ;UTC+5,30; Join
17:05:00 <zodbot> alciregi: alciregi 'Alessio Ciregia' <alciregi@gmail.com>
17:05:11 <FranciscoD> Please share any community related announcements you may have here
17:05:22 <FranciscoD> Anything at all that you think is related is welcome
17:05:45 <FranciscoD> #info https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-strategy-faq-part-1-what-is-actually-changing/ Fedora strategy FAQ part 1
17:06:06 <FranciscoD> #info Change proposals for Self-Contained Changes are due 2019-01-29.
17:06:25 <FranciscoD> #info More info here: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fpgm-report-2019-03/ -> FPgM's weekly update
17:06:39 <FranciscoD> #info Mass rebuild begins 2019-01-30.
17:06:43 <bt0> bcotton++
17:06:48 <FranciscoD> #info Keepalive deadline for Spins is 2019-01-30
17:06:54 <FranciscoD> #info Software string freeze is 2019-02-05.
17:07:05 <FranciscoD> #info More info here: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fpgm-report-2019-04/#more-6908
17:07:19 <FranciscoD> #info Bash 5.0 may be coming to F30: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Bash_5.0
17:07:34 <FranciscoD> #info Firefox to default to Wayland by default on Gnome: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Firefox_Wayland_By_Default_On_Gnome
17:07:55 <FranciscoD> #info Better user stats from DNF: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DNF_Better_Counting
17:08:05 <FranciscoD> #info Flicker free boot: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FlickerFreeBoot
17:08:15 <FranciscoD> For other changes, please refer to the wiki pages
17:08:36 * FranciscoD checks magazine quickly
17:08:48 <FranciscoD> Nothing new there
17:08:54 <FranciscoD> Anyone else? announcements?
17:09:07 <FranciscoD> #info https://neurofedora.github.io/ -> NeuroFedora blog is up
17:09:09 <FranciscoD> ;)
17:10:14 * hhlp nice site
17:10:41 <bt0> cool
17:10:47 <FranciscoD> pac23 did most of the work. I just set up the theme etc
17:10:51 <FranciscoD> .thank pac23
17:10:51 <zodbot> FranciscoD thinks pac23 is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to pac23++ also)
17:11:08 <bt0> pac23++
17:11:08 <zodbot> bt0: Karma for pac23 changed to 4 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:11:29 <FranciscoD> If there are no more announcements, I'll move to the next topic?
17:11:55 * akarshanbiswas is working on wayland version of chromium and keeping an eye on meeting as well.
17:12:13 <FranciscoD> #topic Ask Fedora move
17:12:22 <FranciscoD> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Move_Ask_Fedora -> hhlp set this up
17:12:29 <FranciscoD> please go through it and see if we've missed anything
17:12:42 <FranciscoD> hhlp also emailed us a draft letter. A minute
17:13:30 <FranciscoD> OK, the e-mail is a short summary of that wiki page
17:13:52 <FranciscoD> If it looks OK, I'll get in touch with mattdm then
17:14:11 <FranciscoD> the next action is to find out when we can have the discourse instance so that we can plan action items
17:14:22 <FranciscoD> #info the next action is to find out when we can have the discourse instance so that we can plan action items
17:15:01 <FranciscoD> By the way, taiga is available to Fedora community members already: https://taiga.fedorainfracloud.org/
17:15:31 <FranciscoD> We could use that for action items and tasks as a Kanban board type thing later
17:16:26 * hhlp nice scrum on board
17:16:31 <FranciscoD> +1
17:17:13 <bt0> i need to learn how to use kanban
17:17:15 <bt0> +1
17:17:18 <FranciscoD> I think the plan is quite exhaustive. Anything else that may come up, we will handle when it happens
17:17:40 <akarshanbiswas> Pretty new stuff for me.
17:17:45 <akarshanbiswas> Heads up +!
17:17:53 <FranciscoD> akarshanbiswas: the taiga thing or the plan?
17:18:07 <FranciscoD> bt0: https://taiga.fedorainfracloud.org/project/ignatenkobrain-neurofedora/kanban -> it's basically a list of tasks in different stages
17:18:15 <akarshanbiswas> taiga
17:18:47 <FranciscoD> akarshanbiswas: it's the whole agile thing, it's trello + more
17:19:00 <FranciscoD> OK, so if the plan is OK, should I get in touch with mattdm/the council?
17:19:05 <FranciscoD> +1s/-1s please
17:19:07 <FranciscoD> +1
17:19:10 <alciregi> +1
17:19:12 <hhlp> +1
17:19:13 <bt0> +1
17:19:18 <akarshanbiswas> +1
17:19:48 <FranciscoD> #agreed AskFedora move plan is complete enough (+5/-0)
17:20:06 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD get in touch with mattdm/council to request details of discourse instance
17:20:11 <FranciscoD> ok, next topic
17:20:30 <FranciscoD> #topic Offline Classrooms Proposal
17:20:52 <FranciscoD> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Classroom/OfflineSessionsProposal -> FranciscoD suggests that not doing sessions live is a better way of doing classroom sessions
17:21:06 <FranciscoD> Please also look at the discussion page. There are a few points there.
17:21:30 <FranciscoD> Plesae take 5 minutes to go through the document and then give your comments/questions :)
17:21:44 <FranciscoD> oh, wait, I liked to the talk page
17:21:47 <FranciscoD> meh
17:21:50 <FranciscoD> #undo
17:21:50 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by FranciscoD at 17:20:52 : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Classroom/OfflineSessionsProposal -> FranciscoD suggests that not doing sessions live is a better way of doing classroom sessions
17:22:08 <FranciscoD> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom/OfflineSessionsProposal -> FranciscoD suggests that not doing sessions live is a better way of doing classroom sessions
17:22:36 <akarshanbiswas> FranciscoD:  My main concern is the interaction. How are queries be answered if the classroom are pre recorded?
17:23:11 <hhlp> depend of the platform that we select
17:23:18 <FranciscoD> akarshanbiswas: it is covered in the document: we set up a category on our discourse instance as a discussion forum similar to how Coursera and Edx etc do it
17:23:29 <FranciscoD> (and other universities that provide distance learning courses)
17:23:46 <FranciscoD> I think discourse will be fine for this sort of thing
17:23:47 <alciregi> akarshanbiswas, the idea of a dedicated forum (on discourse) is not bad
17:23:47 * akarshanbiswas is reading the document.
17:24:30 <FranciscoD> alciregi: I replied to your concerns about the removal of the instructor-student link on the talk page also. What do you think?
17:25:40 <fm-join> pagure.issue.edit -- ankursinha edited the close_status and status fields of ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#95 https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/95
17:25:41 <fm-join> pagure.issue.comment.added -- ankursinha commented on ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#95: "Git classroom session for GCI students" https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/95#comment-551313
17:26:30 <alciregi> FranciscoD, I think that these are interesting ideas
17:28:28 <FranciscoD> yes, but good ones or bad ones? ;)
17:28:33 <bt0> non free lunch, in order to get a better experience with the classrooms we need recorded it
17:29:49 <bt0> we love the instructor student interaction but technically it's very difficult
17:30:53 <FranciscoD> As I suggested in the "discussion" page, we can have them, but keep them limited to IRC in #fedora-classroom maybe?
17:31:17 <FranciscoD> I dont think enough questions have been asked immediately post session to worry about a live Q&A session tbh
17:31:37 <FranciscoD> even in the very popular modularity session, we had 5--6 questions. That can easily be handled on a discussion forum
17:31:53 <bt0> i have some comments in Youtube about questions the podman classroom is the most viewed video of the channel
17:32:21 <FranciscoD> In a way, the discussion forum increases the connection: people that cannot attend the session can still view it later and connect with the instructor
17:32:43 <FranciscoD> bt0: ah, lovely!
17:33:04 <bt0> yep, it's amazing
17:33:13 <FranciscoD> having a follow up forum would've made it easy for people to ask questions
17:33:24 <FranciscoD> So, what do we think of the proposal?
17:33:32 <alciregi> yeah bt0: technically it's very difficult
17:33:51 <bt0> we can try experiment in the next cycle
17:34:07 <akarshanbiswas> Do we need to change the name? "Fedora classroom?
17:34:11 <bt0> if not works well we can try another thing
17:34:16 <FranciscoD> akarshanbiswas: no, the name remains
17:34:22 <FranciscoD> we're only chaging the mode of delivery
17:34:23 <bt0> no, the name is so coool
17:34:24 <akarshanbiswas> Okay.
17:34:36 <alciregi> I agree
17:34:42 <FranciscoD> Do we agree to try the proposal out in the next cycle? +1/-1s please?
17:34:44 <FranciscoD> +1
17:35:03 <alciregi> +1
17:35:13 <bt0> +1
17:35:14 <akarshanbiswas> +1
17:35:15 <hhlp> +1
17:35:20 <FranciscoD> (conditional +1s are also OK: +1 but ...
17:35:22 <FranciscoD> )
17:35:27 <alciregi> FranciscoD, "good ones" of course
17:36:13 <FranciscoD> #agreed Try offline classroom delivery method in next cycle (+5/-0)
17:36:18 <FranciscoD> #topic Open floor
17:36:28 <FranciscoD> alciregi: I see dan replied to our e-mail
17:36:31 * FranciscoD goes to read
17:36:52 <FranciscoD> Feb 19th
17:37:07 <FranciscoD> alciregi: he needs to set up a bluejeans room if he wants to use it
17:37:17 <FranciscoD> no point updating the magazine post until we have that
17:37:20 <FranciscoD> no?
17:39:01 <bt0> i thing yes, the magazine team does a great work we don't need to ask for a new post if we have (reviewed) one
17:40:14 * FranciscoD is thinking
17:40:20 <FranciscoD> should we use this to test the proposal?
17:40:51 <FranciscoD> We can ask Dan if he'd prefer to record the session instead, and we'll set up the Q&A topic for him where people can discuss it?
17:41:02 <FranciscoD> he seems quite busy, so he *may* prefer it
17:41:13 <FranciscoD> and it would save everyone from the streaming trouble again
17:41:19 <FranciscoD> alciregi: what do you think?
17:43:30 <alciregi> Yep, we can ask if he is able to record the session
17:44:17 <alciregi> I mean, if he prefer to do in that way
17:44:22 <FranciscoD> Yeh
17:44:39 <FranciscoD> Is there a magazine post or something that explains how to make a screencast?
17:44:43 <FranciscoD> With commentary?
17:44:59 <alciregi> don't know
17:45:37 <FranciscoD> https://fedoramagazine.org/screencast-gnome-extension/
17:45:45 <alciregi> I was asking what software is suitable for such thing, maybe we should also provide howtos for the recorderd sessions, isn't it?
17:45:59 <alciregi> screencast-gnome-extension it allows audio?
17:46:16 <alciregi> or it simply records the desktop?
17:46:43 <FranciscoD> alciregi: seems to also allow audio and webcam inclusion
17:46:55 <FranciscoD> alciregi: yes, if we do try the new proposal, we will have to document how to make screencasts
17:47:06 <FranciscoD> dan is on gnome, though. I remember him asking if things work with Wayland
17:50:32 <FranciscoD> Ok, I'll ask him if he wants to try a recording
17:50:50 <FranciscoD> In the meantime, we need to decide where we'll have the discussion forum. Does discuss.fp.o sound OK?
17:52:04 <FranciscoD> How about a "classroom" sub category under "Fedora Friends"?
17:52:34 <FranciscoD> alciregi: bt0 hhlp akarshanbiswas ^
17:53:11 <akarshanbiswas> sounds cool
17:53:30 <hhlp> +1
17:54:38 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD request classroom subcategory under fedora friends on discourse
17:54:54 <FranciscoD> Nothing else from me today
17:56:10 <bt0> +1
17:57:32 * hhlp easy screen cast only record 30s session
17:58:15 <FranciscoD> you can change that with a gsetting iirc
17:59:39 <alciregi> ctrl+shift+alt+R
18:00:23 <FranciscoD> #endmeeting