17:02:21 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting Fedora Join - 2019-04-09 17:02:21 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Apr 9 17:02:21 2019 UTC. 17:02:21 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:02:21 <zodbot> The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:02:21 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:02:21 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_join_-_2019-04-09' 17:02:26 <FranciscoD> #meetingname fedora-join 17:02:26 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-join' 17:02:37 <FranciscoD> #chair hhlp 17:02:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD hhlp 17:02:43 <FranciscoD> anyone else on IRC? 17:02:53 <FranciscoD> #topic Roll call 17:02:55 <FranciscoD> .hello2 17:02:57 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Sorry, but you don't exist 17:03:01 <FranciscoD> meh 17:03:11 <tg-fedjoin> <andifedge> Hey 👋🏼 17:03:25 <FranciscoD> #info ankursinha: BST: Ankur Sinha (FranciscoD): packaging, neurofedora, fedora-join/classrooms 17:04:10 <FranciscoD> heya @andifedge 17:04:17 <FranciscoD> sorry, can't chair you over telegram 17:04:28 <tg-fedjoin> <andifedge> Going to switch on irc just a minute 17:04:41 <tg-fedjoin> <bt0dotninja> #info bt0dotninja; utc-6;Commops, Marketing, Mindshare and more 17:05:10 <hhlp> .fasinfo hhlp 17:05:11 <zodbot> hhlp: User: hhlp, Name: Héctor H. Louzao P., email: louzaoh@gmail.com, Creation: 2010-11-04, IRC Nick: hhlp, Timezone: Europe/Madrid, Locale: es, GPG key ID: D6AB9C1D, Status: active 17:05:14 <zodbot> hhlp: Approved Groups: fedora-join @ask-fedora cla_fpca cla_fedora cla_done 17:05:52 <FranciscoD> let's move on 17:05:58 <andi89gi> voila ;) now on IRC 17:06:05 <FranciscoD> Should we just focus on the ask fedora topics today? 17:06:10 <FranciscoD> #chair andi89gi 17:06:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD andi89gi hhlp 17:06:43 <FranciscoD> #topic Ask Fedora: what's left to do 17:07:00 <FranciscoD> #info Test Ask Fedora on Discourse instance is here: https://askbeta.fedoraproject.org/ 17:07:08 <FranciscoD> #info only FAS login is enabled 17:07:26 <FranciscoD> #info #info announced to community: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/askfedora-refresh-weve-moved-to-discourse/ 17:07:35 <FranciscoD> we've made a number of changes since then, though 17:07:43 <FranciscoD> #info Categories have be re-done based on feedback 17:08:02 <FranciscoD> #info Spanish, Italian, Persian categories need to be re-done 17:08:32 <tg-fedjoin> <bt0dotninja> ok 17:08:46 <FranciscoD> Is the current category configuration OK now? 17:08:55 <tg-fedjoin> <bt0dotninja> i think yes 17:08:59 <hhlp> +1 17:09:05 <FranciscoD> I hope it is. I can't redo categories one more time. We've already re-done it 3--4 times, after discussing it all before starting :/ 17:09:37 <FranciscoD> #info We are happy with the current category configuration: we will not change it now 17:10:00 <FranciscoD> #info Start here post needs translation: https://askbeta.fedoraproject.org/t/updating-the-start-here-posts/151/34 17:10:24 <andi89gi> will there be a german/french category? 17:10:39 <FranciscoD> andi89gi: no one has volunteered to manage them yet, so no 17:11:10 <FranciscoD> at the moment, we'll start with these, and if community members want other languages and commit to spending time managing/moderating them, more categories ccan be added 17:11:42 <FranciscoD> #info A SOP exists for supporting new languages: https://pagure.io/Ask-Fedora-SOP-docs 17:11:49 <FranciscoD> It hasn't been added to docs yet, has it? 17:11:52 <andi89gi> FranciscoD: I'd like to be proactive in this case 17:11:54 * FranciscoD goes to check 17:12:18 <FranciscoD> andi89gi: we're in sort of a freeze at the moment. So we won't add any more languages until the forum has been opened to the public. 17:12:36 <FranciscoD> Can you please file a ticket here? https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/new_issue 17:13:29 <FranciscoD> #info Ask Fedora docs have not yet been added to docs.fp.o: https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/docs-fp-o/issue/111 17:13:46 <FranciscoD> it's low priority, though, so we'll leave that be until the forum is ready 17:13:51 <andi89gi> FranciscoD: two tickes in order to open up new community groups for german/french users? 17:14:00 <FranciscoD> andi89gi: are you going to moderate them both? 17:14:03 <andi89gi> okay I see your point ;) 17:14:21 <andi89gi> FranciscoD: I can do this 17:14:21 <FranciscoD> if we don't have community members moderating and managing these categories, we will not set them up 17:14:34 <FranciscoD> in the long term? 17:14:41 <FranciscoD> awesome, yeh, a ticket for each language then 17:14:59 <FranciscoD> it'll be good if you can reach out to other French/German speakers in the community to get them on-board too 17:15:00 <andi89gi> FranciscoD: yeah of course long-term. Otherwise it wouldn't make much sense 17:15:16 <FranciscoD> We also don't want a single point of contacct. We're looking for at least 2 managers for each language 17:15:20 <andi89gi> I can write in the telegram groups of the progress/idea 17:15:26 <tg-fedjoin> <alciregi> Sorry, +1 current categories ok 17:15:54 <FranciscoD> #action andi89gi to find more French + German community members to get them involved with managing language categories on Ask Fedora 17:16:06 <FranciscoD> #action andi89gi to file tickets for French and German language support on Ask Fedora 17:16:09 <FranciscoD> there we go 17:16:20 <andi89gi> FranciscoD: great! :-) 17:16:47 <FranciscoD> hhlp: @alciregi @bt0dotninja: what else do we need to do to get the forum ready for public use? 17:17:09 <FranciscoD> I think another commblog post is required now that we've changed it so much 17:17:32 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD write another commblog post once current languages are ready 17:17:52 <fm-join> pagure.issue.new -- andilinux opened a new ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#155: "german speaking group on Ask Fedora" https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/155 17:17:56 <FranciscoD> Question: is voting on topics required in any category? 17:18:03 <hhlp> +1, I think we finish with setup and all the stuuf related to it 17:18:28 <FranciscoD> Voting is currently enabled on "Staff feedback", but that was for testing. 17:18:45 <FranciscoD> I don't think we need voting at all, do we? It doesn't do anything: users dont get badges for it even 17:19:06 <tg-fedjoin> <alciregi> Voting on the entire topic and not for each post 17:19:21 <FranciscoD> you cannot have voting on replies: discourse uses "likes" 17:19:24 <FranciscoD> so yeh, voting on each topic 17:19:26 <FranciscoD> needed? 17:19:26 <fm-join> pagure.issue.new -- andilinux opened a new ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#156: "french speaking group on Ask Fedora" https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/156 17:19:29 <tg-fedjoin> <alciregi> You mean this 17:19:36 <tg-fedjoin> <alciregi> Yes 17:19:42 <andi89gi> FranciscoD: both tickets are done 17:19:49 <FranciscoD> andi89gi++ 17:20:06 <FranciscoD> @alciregi: so, voting should be enabled in all categories? 17:20:15 <FranciscoD> what purpose does voting serve? /me is thinking 17:20:32 <tg-fedjoin> <alciregi> I don't know, it is not very interesting 17:20:42 <hhlp> I think is not necesary 17:20:58 <tg-fedjoin> <alciregi> BTW there will be posts like "I have this problem" 17:20:58 <FranciscoD> Yeh, I dont think so either 17:21:13 * FranciscoD goes to disable voting on staff feedback also 17:21:16 <tg-fedjoin> <alciregi> +1 not necessary 17:21:28 <hhlp> +1 17:21:39 <FranciscoD> done 17:22:01 <hhlp> BTW user can use only 10 votes 17:22:14 <andi89gi> hhlp: good to know :) 17:22:26 <FranciscoD> +1, if we do enable voting later, that'll be worth remembering 17:22:40 <tg-fedjoin> <bt0dotninja> +1 17:22:49 <FranciscoD> Note: top level language categories are for announcements now, so please remember to enable moderation of posts for these 17:23:01 <FranciscoD> andi89gi: as a test, can you please log in and try to post in the english category? 17:23:07 <FranciscoD> and the two sub-categories? 17:23:18 <FranciscoD> we staff cant test these things out, we have access to everything 17:23:21 <FranciscoD> it's rather annoying :/ 17:23:33 <FranciscoD> andi89gi: https://askbeta.fedoraproject.org/c/english 17:24:10 <tg-fedjoin> <alciregi> Ye, we need testers from the community in this sense 17:24:35 <FranciscoD> I'll write a section on testing in the next commblog post 17:24:53 <FranciscoD> andi89gi: yep, found your post: needs approval 17:24:53 <tg-fedjoin> <alciregi> 👍 17:24:57 <FranciscoD> awesome! thanks very much 17:25:10 <andi89gi> FranciscoD: I've posted;) 17:25:12 <tg-fedjoin> <alciregi> In the top level category? 17:25:13 <andi89gi> great! 17:25:18 <FranciscoD> yes 17:25:44 <FranciscoD> since that is meant to be announcements, people can post, but staff will decide if the post should be made: similar to our announce mailing lists 17:25:52 <tg-fedjoin> <alciregi> Can a post be moved to the appropriate category during moderation? 17:26:10 <FranciscoD> We can edit the post to move it to the correct category 17:26:52 <tg-fedjoin> <alciregi> Or we should block it and notify the user suggesting that it is not the right category? 17:27:00 <FranciscoD> https://askbeta.fedoraproject.org/t/testing-for-post/175 17:27:04 <hhlp> yes @alcigeri 17:27:15 <andi89gi> FrancisoD: so as I understand - new topics/posts are first proved before they appear on the forum? 17:27:34 <FranciscoD> @alciregi: lets see how many such issues come up. If they are few, we can move them to make it easier for users. If they are lots, we'll start rejecting them and letting users know 17:27:42 <tg-fedjoin> <alciregi> andi89gi only on main category 17:27:46 <FranciscoD> andi89gi: no, only for the top level category, which is reserved for announcements 17:27:58 <FranciscoD> you should be able to post in the sub categories: please try it out too :) 17:28:04 <hhlp> yes @alcigeri just click in tools select and move 17:28:16 <andi89gi> FranciscoD: ah okay I see 17:28:32 <tg-fedjoin> <alciregi> FranciscoD ok 17:29:27 <tg-fedjoin> <alciregi> hhlp yes, but I was talking about a SOP in these cases 17:29:41 <FranciscoD> ah, a SOP would be nice: can you add one? 17:30:10 <tg-fedjoin> <alciregi> action 17:30:26 <FranciscoD> #action alciregi write SOP about moderating posts to top level categories 17:30:28 <FranciscoD> done 17:30:38 <tg-fedjoin> <alciregi> nice :-) 17:30:51 <FranciscoD> I updated the "about the discussion in english" post to mention that the top level category is for announcmenets only 17:31:52 <tg-fedjoin> <alciregi> It need to be translated? 17:32:37 <tg-fedjoin> <alciregi> After all those changes I'm a bit confused on what it needs to be still translated 17:32:39 <FranciscoD> Yeh, everything from the English category needs to be translated 17:32:58 <FranciscoD> @alciregi: basically, all languages should match the English category 17:33:16 <FranciscoD> (since that's what we test and play with to see what we want) 17:33:22 <FranciscoD> So: 17:33:26 <tg-fedjoin> <alciregi> Yes, I need to check the Italian category 17:33:30 <FranciscoD> - start here posts need to be updated 17:33:41 <FranciscoD> - categories, their permissions, their descriptions need to be updated/translated 17:34:21 <FranciscoD> anything else that needs to be done? 17:34:39 <FranciscoD> i've been staring at it for so long that I cant see the big picture any more :( 17:34:41 <tg-fedjoin> <bt0dotninja> i think no 17:35:04 <FranciscoD> Ah, about saving data from askbot 17:35:28 <FranciscoD> This was my latest reply: https://askbeta.fedoraproject.org/t/hello-everyone-what-do-you-think/138/60?u=franciscod 17:35:55 <FranciscoD> if you see the full thread, you'll see lots of issues with doing so 17:36:28 <FranciscoD> I am strongly -1 with archiving: the whole point was to move important bits to quick-docs, and start a new forum from scratch 17:36:54 <FranciscoD> and, I'm also strongly -1 with "lets save it so that someone someday can go over it and move it to quick-docs" 17:36:58 <FranciscoD> that, IMO, is not a plan 17:37:05 <FranciscoD> (as I've said in the post there too) 17:38:35 <FranciscoD> we've been working on quick-docs: not a lot of issues from askfedora have been moved apart from the obvious ones that we had already identified 17:39:02 <FranciscoD> what do you folks think? We need to ask bex and mattdm (or tell them) when to "kill" askbot 17:39:58 <hhlp> yes, I think so 17:40:20 <tg-fedjoin> <bt0dotninja> +1 to kill askbot 17:40:54 <andi89gi> +1 to kill askbot 17:41:02 <hhlp> +1 17:42:00 <FranciscoD> OK, once we have discourse ready, I'll speak to mattdm about "killing" askbot 17:42:17 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD speak to mattdm about killing askbot after discourse is ready for public use 17:42:37 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD announce move to discourse on askbot also: when magazine post is ready to publish 17:42:46 <FranciscoD> what else remains? 17:42:57 * FranciscoD tries to think 17:43:04 * hhlp folks I would like to share what I discouver, you just need to muted the top-level category only, I don't know what is the maximun item you can muted this is for the new language to comming 17:43:21 <FranciscoD> thats in the start-here post now 17:43:25 <FranciscoD> thanks for pointing that out 17:43:37 <FranciscoD> you can mute any number of categories from the looks of it 17:45:26 <FranciscoD> For the future, should we start using discourse for askfedora related discussion too? instead of pagure? 17:45:36 <FranciscoD> that way all staff are involved: we are missing some staff here 17:46:13 <FranciscoD> we probably also need a policy in SOPs about us making decisions on a topic on askfedora: count votes after 7 days maybe? 17:46:26 <FranciscoD> thats how fesco etc do it, no? 17:46:57 <fm-join> pagure.issue.tag.added -- ankursinha tagged ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#156: C: AskFedora and T: Task https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/156 17:47:04 <fm-join> pagure.issue.tag.added -- ankursinha tagged ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#155: C: AskFedora and T: Task https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/155 17:47:43 <FranciscoD> thoughts? 17:48:21 <tg-fedjoin> <bt0dotninja> not from me 17:48:49 <andi89gi> I'd say discourse would be nice 17:49:26 <FranciscoD> Let's think about it a little more and see what we can come up with 17:49:49 <FranciscoD> #info QUESTION: should we stop using pagure for askfedora related issues and use the discourse "staff" category instead? 17:49:59 <FranciscoD> If there's nothing else, let's close the meeting 17:50:04 <FranciscoD> #topic open floor 17:50:04 <andi89gi> FrancisoD: yeah of course. Maybe some brain storming would be good up to next meeting?= 17:50:13 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD send out logs 17:50:15 <andi89gi> yeap +1 for closing 17:50:37 <FranciscoD> OK, closing 17:50:45 <tg-fedjoin> <bt0dotninja> +1 to close, 0 to only use staff category 17:50:57 <hhlp> +1 close 17:51:07 <FranciscoD> Everyone, please update the languages on discourse when you can: I'll write up a commblog post in the meantime 17:51:19 <FranciscoD> lets aim to have it ready for beta testing by the community next week? 17:51:30 <FranciscoD> (we're in alpha now, hence all the massive changes XD) 17:51:32 <tg-fedjoin> <bt0dotninja> +1 17:51:36 <andi89gi> FranciscoD: +1 17:51:45 <hhlp> to review top-level category (language) and sub-category using FEdora or installing or upgrading Fedora in all language 17:51:49 <FranciscoD> we really should have it ready for public use before f30 release 17:51:54 <FranciscoD> @fc30release 17:51:59 <FranciscoD> @f30release 17:52:02 <FranciscoD> bah 17:52:55 <FranciscoD> #info F30 is currently scheduled for release on 2019-05-07 : so we have less than 4 weeks 17:53:15 <FranciscoD> that's 2 weeks for community testing, and then open to public: we'll get lots of queries after release 17:53:22 <FranciscoD> OK, awesome 17:53:25 <FranciscoD> closing! 17:53:27 <FranciscoD> #endmeeting