17:06:30 <echevemaster> #startmeeting Fedora Latam Ambassadors 17:06:30 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 8 17:06:30 2016 UTC. The chair is echevemaster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:06:30 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:06:30 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_latam_ambassadors' 17:06:31 <fedmsg-latam> meetbot.meeting.start -- echevemaster started meeting "Fedora Latam Ambassadors" in #fedora-latam 17:06:32 <tonet666p> ausil, lkf y blackfile 17:06:39 <echevemaster> #meetingname fedora-latam 17:06:39 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-latam' 17:06:41 <tonet666p> .fas tonet666p 17:06:42 <zodbot> tonet666p: tonet666p 'Tonet Pascualet Jallo Colquehuanca' <tonet666p@gmail.com> 17:06:45 <Richzendy> echevemaster, genial, su cuenta fas es: jmespiz 17:06:46 <alyaj2a> .fas alyaj2a 17:06:48 * tonet666p from Perú 17:06:48 <zodbot> alyaj2a: alyaj2a 'Aly Yuliza Machaca Mamani' <alyaj2a@gmail.com> 17:06:51 <Richzendy> .fasinfo jmespiz 17:06:52 <zodbot> Richzendy: User: jmespiz, Name: José Manuel Espinoza, email: josemespiz@gmail.com, Creation: 2016-02-03, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 17:06:55 <zodbot> Richzendy: Approved Groups: None 17:06:57 <echevemaster> .fas echevemaster 17:06:58 <zodbot> echevemaster: echevemaster 'Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado' <echevemaster@gmail.com> 17:07:04 * alyaj2a from Peru 17:07:06 * echevemaster Venezuela Colombia 17:07:19 <Richzendy> .fas Richzendy 17:07:19 <zodbot> Richzendy: richzendy 'Edwind Richzendy Contreras Soto' <richzendy@gmail.com> 17:07:23 <echevemaster> kohane just resign of its ticket 17:07:35 <echevemaster> https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/659#comment:11, 17:07:36 <fedmsg-latam> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- echevemaster linked to more information in the "Fedora Latam Ambassadors" meeting in #fedora-latam: "https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/659#comment:11," 17:07:51 <echevemaster> she lives in Europe, that is the reason because she is not latam anymore 17:08:00 <echevemaster> given she will not going Fudcon 17:08:14 <echevemaster> who is the person of your list, who will going to Fudcon 17:08:18 <echevemaster> tonet666p: 17:08:33 <tonet666p> yo apostaria por ausil 17:08:54 <echevemaster> ok, 17:09:03 <echevemaster> please update the ticket then 17:09:05 <alyaj2a> echevemaster, 17:09:08 <echevemaster> alyaj2a: 17:09:09 <echevemaster> ? 17:09:24 <alyaj2a> el costo tiene que ser igual al que sylvia ? 17:09:36 <alyaj2a> por que el de sylvia era por 833USD 17:09:41 <tonet666p> me gustaria que se llame a reunion para no tener mas problemas, pero no tenemos tiempo 17:09:43 <echevemaster> that is something you have to discuss with jzb 17:09:46 <itamarjp> what are you doing here is not correctly 17:09:55 <itamarjp> the official meetings are on saturday 17:10:03 <echevemaster> itamarjp: is correctly 17:10:13 <echevemaster> I'm calling to a meeting with organizers 17:10:21 <echevemaster> they have the decision on this matter 17:10:21 <itamarjp> you're bypassing the latam community and deciding without inviting the community 17:10:33 <itamarjp> no one was invited to this meeting 17:10:40 <echevemaster> itamarjp: stop, I'm calling on a meeting with the organizers 17:11:08 <Richzendy> tonet666p, yo pienso que ustedes como organizadores tienen la última palabra, no hay que llamar a tantas reuniones 17:11:26 <echevemaster> that is the reason Richzendy because I'm doing this 17:11:38 <Richzendy> tonet666p, organizar un fudcon es un trabajo muy arduo, la única satisfacción que da, es poder elegir pequeñas cosas como estas por ejemplo 17:11:42 <echevemaster> this is not a votation. 17:11:55 <echevemaster> this is a call to the organizers 17:12:03 <echevemaster> so tonet666p 17:12:12 <echevemaster> please assign the sylvia's ticket 17:12:17 <itamarjp> its a violation 17:12:19 <echevemaster> ausil then? 17:12:25 <itamarjp> the meetings are on saturday not today 17:12:53 <alyaj2a> echevemaster, si ausil 17:12:55 <Richzendy> itamarjp, we understand that, but we don't have time, the fudcon is cooming soon 17:13:00 <echevemaster> this is not a meeting to vote itamarjp is a meeting for the organizers could decide who will take the position. 17:13:02 <itamarjp> adding people in spreadsheet like lbazan did without permission 17:13:34 <itamarjp> why we vote on tickets, let organizers decide about all people them 17:14:02 <echevemaster> alyaj2a: can you talk with lzb then 17:14:04 <echevemaster> ? 17:14:26 <tonet666p> who is lzb? 17:14:29 <tonet666p> jzb? 17:14:35 <Richzendy> <alyaj2a> el costo tiene que ser igual al que sylvia ? ------- Si, es lo más adecuado 17:14:46 <mayorga> Organizers have a choice on what sessions are selected in Call for Papers, not on tickets. 17:15:21 <mayorga> Tickets are voted by the community. 17:15:25 <tonet666p> please, some one have a guidelines for this decission? 17:15:28 <Richzendy> alyaj2a, a menos que con el mismo dinero puedan llevar a más panelistas de sitios más cercanos 17:15:36 <echevemaster> Organizers have a choice in select what people will going to Fudcon 17:15:51 <echevemaster> no, there are not guidelines for that 17:16:09 <echevemaster> Organizers have the plane decision about Fudcon 17:16:22 <echevemaster> so, I agree with Richzendy 17:16:28 <itamarjp> why we have voted on tickets them ? 17:16:34 <itamarjp> let organizers choose all persons 17:16:37 <Richzendy> alyaj2a, mi recomendación es que si están interesados en una persona cuyo costo sea superior, entonces que esa persona puede ir si está de acuerdo en cubrir la diferencia 17:17:04 <Richzendy> itamarjp, what's your point? 17:17:04 <echevemaster> alyaj2a: ? 17:17:21 <alyaj2a> jzb == ausil? 17:17:24 <itamarjp> things are done without approval from community 17:17:56 <echevemaster> itamarjp: the community is here :) 17:18:06 <itamarjp> not all of them, 17:18:13 <echevemaster> alyaj2a: so, ausil or anyone else 17:18:14 <Richzendy> itamarjp, in this moment any thing is decided, just is a meeting (maybe a emergency meeting) with the organizators 17:18:22 <itamarjp> not in correct date and time for meeting 17:18:30 <itamarjp> no one was invited 17:18:47 <itamarjp> you can talk about 17:18:58 <echevemaster> itamarjp: I'm on IRC and I'm inviting to a meeting to the people. 17:19:00 <itamarjp> but making an decision without approval of community is not a good thing 17:19:06 <Richzendy> itamarjp, BTW the organizators have the final decition about the people traveling with fedora fundings 17:19:18 <echevemaster> alyaj2a: tonet666p 17:19:33 <echevemaster> please, this is a meeting and it's being recorded 17:19:44 <echevemaster> so, this is a official meeting, please decide 17:19:49 <mribeirodantas> Richzendy, Really? So voting is merely good will? 17:20:18 <alyaj2a> entonces tenemos que hablar con ausil para ver si puede cubrir la diferencia ? el ticket de ausill espor 2000 USD y el de sylvia era por 833 USD 17:20:27 <tonet666p> ping dgilmore 17:20:49 <echevemaster> mribeirodantas: if after people vote, the organizers wants invite to other people, they have all the right 17:20:58 <itamarjp> we removed the president of Brazil Dilma Roussef because she did the same in Brazil. ( she did stuff without approval of Brazil Congress ) 17:21:23 <mribeirodantas> echevemaster, Yes, sure. They're free to invite whoever they want. I'm talking about bugdet spending 17:21:52 <athos> .hello ribeiro 17:21:53 <zodbot> athos: ribeiro 'Athos Ribeiro' <athoscribeiro@gmail.com> 17:21:55 <mribeirodantas> But there is a reason we vote for approval or not. 17:22:01 <echevemaster> mribeirodantas: Sylvia resigned its ticket, 17:22:02 <mribeirodantas> .hello mribeirodantas 17:22:03 <fredlima> .fas fredlima 17:22:03 <zodbot> mribeirodantas: mribeirodantas 'Marcel Ribeiro Dantas' <ribeirodantasdm@gmail.com> 17:22:06 <zodbot> fredlima: fredlima 'Frederico Henrique Gonçalves Lima' <fred@fredericolima.com.br> 17:22:11 <echevemaster> and that budget is open 17:22:22 <mribeirodantas> Sure, so let's vote how to use that 17:22:24 <itamarjp> .fas itamarjp 17:22:24 <zodbot> itamarjp: itamarjp 'Itamar Reis Peixoto' <itamar@ispbrasil.com.br> 17:22:32 <mribeirodantas> And since it needs voting, we can't just decide 'i want to vote now'. 17:22:37 <Richzendy> mribeirodantas, don't but the organizators maybe need to make changes to the last time if is neccesary, I don't talk about remove all people, but maybe someone have a ticket 200 or 300 $USD up to the buy moment and are decititions to make 17:22:58 <mribeirodantas> Richzendy, sure. But they shouldn't have the power to take decisions without the community approval 17:23:05 <echevemaster> that is Fudcon budget mribeirodantas 17:23:15 <Richzendy> mribeirodantas, this are not a democracy 17:23:17 <tonet666p> how many latam people are here now? 17:23:21 <echevemaster> not latam budget, and that is the reason because organizers have the decision 17:23:31 <mribeirodantas> Come on, someone could just call a few friends, and say: let's vote now. I'm not saying that's what going on here right now, but I'm explaining how dangerous this is 17:23:33 * fredlima Brazil 17:23:38 <tatica> raise your hands to know how many is reading (nos just speaking) 17:23:40 <mribeirodantas> Richzendy, Of course this is. Otherwise, there would be no voting 17:23:43 <tatica> .hello tatica 17:23:44 <zodbot> tatica: tatica 'Maria Gracia Leandro Lombardo' <tatadbb@gmail.com> 17:23:45 <mayorga> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Sponsoring_event_attendees#Who_decides_sponsorships 17:23:45 <fedmsg-latam> meetbot.meeting.item.link -- mayorga linked to more information in the "Fedora Latam Ambassadors" meeting in #fedora-latam: "http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Sponsoring_event_attendees#Who_decides_sponsorships" 17:23:54 <tonet666p> tatica +1 17:24:09 <mribeirodantas> This could lead to very dangerous situatoins. This generates precedences. 17:24:32 <Richzendy> mribeirodantas, the community is needed to help, the community is needed to make sugerences, but is not a democracy 17:24:37 <echevemaster> The event owner is sometimes responsible for these decisions, and receives a set budget from which to offer subsidies under the process described below. 17:24:38 <mayorga> jzb said it had to be approved the by the ambassadors or the Board. 17:24:49 <itamarjp> theres no Openness and transparency because the meeting is not supposed to be today 17:24:54 <mribeirodantas> mayorga, FAmSCo? 17:24:55 <dgilmore> tonet666p: pong 17:25:03 <mayorga> Itamar is right. 17:25:13 <alexove> Que pasó 17:25:27 <mribeirodantas> What a mess. It's 2 PM in here. In the middle of the work day. Most brazilians won't be abble to attend. I have a meeting in 15 minutes, I won't be able to attend. 17:25:32 <mayorga> mribeirodantas: LATAM ambassadors. 17:25:33 <tatica> itamarjp, I just consider this a logged discussion, not a meeting 17:25:35 <em3rson> .fas em3rson 17:25:36 <zodbot> em3rson: em3rson 'Emerson Santos' <em3rson@linuxmail.org> 17:25:38 <mribeirodantas> mayorga, I see. 17:26:02 <mribeirodantas> I have to leave, but I just want to share how I think this is a very dangerous decision that could lead to very bad actions in the near future. 17:26:09 <echevemaster> this is a discussion with organizers 17:26:13 <Richzendy> mribeirodantas> What a mess. It's 2 PM in here. In the middle of the work day. Most brazilians won't be abble to attend. I have a meeting in 15 minutes, I won't be able to attend. ---- la comunidad es grande, si tu no estás, otros estarán 17:26:22 <alexove> Que paso de que me perdi 17:26:26 <echevemaster> alexove: 17:26:35 <echevemaster> tonet666p: answer to dgilmore 17:26:36 <mribeirodantas> Richzendy, Unfortunately, most people work or study. They can't show up in a meeting that hasn't even been announced in the official channels. 17:26:55 <tatica> mribeirodantas, so do we, and here we are. 17:27:02 <mayorga> This does not make any sense. 17:27:03 <mribeirodantas> Great. 17:27:18 <tatica> again, this is not a meeting, is a logged discussion 17:27:31 <Richzendy> mribeirodantas, seguro, pero las deciciones acá no están escritas en piedra, pueden ser discutidas luego y además están en absoluto a lugar, por que los organizadores pueden tomar esas decicisiones sin tener que ir a votaciones cada vez 17:27:34 <tatica> I hope those who called it can put the thread on email so those who can attend can read it there and interact 17:27:37 <mribeirodantas> tatica, voting of spenses shouldn't occur in a logged discussion 17:27:58 <mribeirodantas> Richzendy, I'm not aware of that, but if you say so, I believe you. So I just wanted to make clear what I think of this. 17:28:10 <itamarjp> mribeirodantas++ 17:28:10 <zodbot> itamarjp: Karma for mribeirodantas changed to 1 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:28:10 <mribeirodantas> No hard feelings. Have a nice day, guys! 17:28:10 <fedmsg-latam> irc.karma -- itamarjp gave mribeirodantas(1) a karma cookie in #fedora-latam. "mribeirodantas++" https://badges.fedoraproject.org/user/mribeirodantas 17:28:31 <mayorga> mribeirodantas++ 17:28:31 <zodbot> mayorga: Karma for mribeirodantas changed to 2 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:28:32 <fedmsg-latam> irc.karma -- mayorga gave mribeirodantas(2) a karma cookie in #fedora-latam. "mribeirodantas++" https://badges.fedoraproject.org/user/mribeirodantas 17:28:36 <fredlima> mribeirodantas++ 17:28:37 <fedmsg-latam> irc.karma -- fredlima gave mribeirodantas(3) a karma cookie in #fedora-latam. "mribeirodantas++" https://badges.fedoraproject.org/user/mribeirodantas 17:28:37 <zodbot> fredlima: Karma for mribeirodantas changed to 3 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:28:54 <echevemaster> so, dgilmore, Do you need full or partial subsidy? 17:29:01 <echevemaster> to going Fudcon 17:29:45 <tonet666p> echevemaster, i am asking to dgilmore 17:29:59 <tonet666p> the same questio 17:30:03 <echevemaster> tonet666p: please do it here 17:30:07 <echevemaster> not in private 17:31:42 <dgilmore> echevemaster: uno momento por favor 17:31:47 <echevemaster> ok. 17:32:24 <fredlima> tatica: if someone type #startmeeting, its a meeting 17:32:43 <tatica> fredlima, not necesary, can be a logged discussion. Taking literaly everything isn't healthy 17:32:55 <echevemaster> correct. 17:33:10 <echevemaster> Because of that I started it 17:33:16 <echevemaster> to log the discussion 17:33:25 <dgilmore> echevemaster: no es suficiente 17:33:57 <dgilmore> echevemaster: la tarifa aérea es de $1000 mas 17:34:05 <dgilmore> USD$1000 mas 17:34:21 <echevemaster> ok, we don't have enough budget, then only 864 I think- 17:34:37 <dgilmore> I am going to chase up internally to see if I can get more 17:35:05 <echevemaster> ok, so, we will vote on Saturday for it 17:35:13 <dgilmore> how much is the hotel? 17:35:21 <echevemaster> I just to know only what organizers will decide 17:35:24 <tonet666p> dgilmore, 15USD per night 17:35:29 <dgilmore> okay 17:35:37 <echevemaster> done, thanks dgilmore 17:36:01 <dgilmore> I can cover a few hundred myself. but not $1000 17:36:16 <dgilmore> I will see if I can chase up other sources though 17:36:26 <tonet666p> thak you for your time dgilmore 17:36:37 <dgilmore> de nada amigos 17:36:42 <echevemaster> #action We will vote for partial subsidy for dgilmore, as decision of the Fudcon organizers on Saturday 17:36:42 <fedmsg-latam> meetbot.meeting.item.action -- echevemaster noted an action in the "Fedora Latam Ambassadors" meeting in #fedora-latam: "We will vote for partial subsidy for dgilmore, as decision of the Fudcon organizers on Saturday" 17:36:51 <echevemaster> thanks all for this duscussion 17:36:59 <echevemaster> #endmeeting