18:05:40 <kital> #startmeeting
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18:05:50 <kital> #topic Roll Call
18:05:54 <kital> Joerg Simon
18:06:26 <RodrigoPadula> Rodrigo Padula
18:06:42 <tatica> Maria Leandro
18:06:49 <ke4qqq> David Nalley
18:07:11 <kital> #chair spevack
18:07:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: kital spevack
18:08:18 <kital> spevack?
18:08:49 <kital> ok lets move on
18:08:51 <kital> 3
18:08:54 <kital> 2
18:08:56 <kital> 1
18:09:17 <spevack> I'm here :)
18:09:22 <kital> regarding to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda
18:09:47 <kital> #topic Review open action items
18:10:29 <kital> welcome all <- sorry forgot it ;)
18:10:43 <kital> lets start with my action item
18:10:47 <kital> *  Joerg -- send questions for mentoring survey to David.
18:11:06 <kital> i was not able to finish it
18:11:28 <kital> but due the delay of hiemanshu´ s flight i can do it tomorrow
18:11:55 <kital> #action kital finish the survey question latest till 10.March.2010
18:12:03 <kital> Max
18:12:10 <kital> *  Get User:Paulmellors to an event, and talk to him about what we can do in the UK.
18:12:14 <kital> * Delete old tickets with private info, then open famsco's trac instance to the public.
18:12:17 <kital> spevack?
18:12:38 <spevack> Honestly, no progress last week on either of those.  Though I did triage all of my open FAMSCO tickets, and closed out a bunch of them.
18:12:45 <spevack> Both of these are easy, and I'll make progress on them this week.
18:12:48 <spevack> EOF
18:13:16 <kital> oki thanks
18:13:28 <kital> hi susmit - we review the current action items
18:13:56 <kital> spevack:  btw Paulmellors will attend http://www.paulmellors.net/2010/02/oggcamp
18:14:16 <kital> ke4qqq:
18:14:17 <kital> David -- help Maria create a wiki page for "things to show on your laptop during an event".
18:14:18 <spevack> kital: great -- i'll ping him and make sure he has what he needs for that event specifically
18:14:37 <ke4qqq> kital: we have been talking about the page - and blocked time for this afternoon to complete
18:15:05 <tatica> yes
18:15:12 <kital> super ke4qqq tatica !
18:15:28 <tatica> I had to cancell an interview today because too much work
18:15:46 <tatica> I will take part of that time to work with ke4qqq on that (btw... thx for the help :D )
18:16:17 <kital> #action ke4qqq tatica - complete the draft "things to show on your laptop during an event" till 10.March.2010 - and post it to the Ambassador List
18:16:27 <kital> tatica ke4qqq - ok for you?
18:16:31 <ke4qqq> worksforme
18:16:40 <tatica> sure
18:16:44 <kital> ke4qqq: yes with the question for improvement
18:17:37 <kital> great - any more to add for current action items
18:18:23 <kital> ok next
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18:18:33 <kital> 1
18:18:49 <spevack> I think we're doing well from a budget point of view so far.  A decent amount of requests coming in, etc.  I'm happy and busy getting people what they need.
18:18:52 <spevack> EOF
18:18:53 <kital> #topic Discuss dispute resolution document
18:18:57 <kital> ups
18:19:24 <spevack> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/dispute_resolution
18:19:45 <spevack> !
18:19:46 <kital> susmit made all the work
18:19:51 <kital> spevack:
18:19:52 <susmit> kital, I shall be there..but noy sure if can participate
18:20:08 <kital> susmit: ok
18:20:11 <spevack> Looks like a pretty good process to me.  I like that it tries to solve the problem by using other mentors first.
18:20:17 <spevack> that's important.
18:20:46 <RodrigoPadula> spevack, +1
18:21:50 <spevack> any other comments?
18:22:07 <kital> we discussed it with the mentors on the mentors townhall
18:22:21 <kital> and what we see now is also the result of their feedback
18:22:35 <kital> so i think we could vote on this ?
18:23:12 <spevack> sure
18:23:17 <spevack> I vote +1
18:23:21 <ke4qqq> +1
18:23:35 <kital> +1
18:23:42 <susmit> +1
18:23:45 <tatica> 0
18:23:45 <RodrigoPadula> +1
18:23:57 <spevack> tatica: you have no opinion, or you don't want to vote, or you have some concerns?
18:24:24 <tatica> I still think the idea is good, but I don't think is the way to do it
18:24:38 <tatica> I don't like the "dispute"
18:24:45 <tatica> I rather something else
18:25:05 <tatica> I don't want to vote on this one
18:25:07 <spevack> tatica: can you say more about what you think?
18:25:32 <tatica> I consider is a too long process that can be solved only with the first item
18:26:08 <tatica> problems are solved when people talk on a IRC
18:26:21 <tatica> mails list and other things just increase the problem
18:26:34 <spevack> maybe we should say that for "First they will have an one to one IRC chat in presence of another neutral mentor (from another region)." we expect that THIS STEP is where 95% of any disputes will be resolved.
18:26:59 <spevack> tatica: would that help make you feel better?
18:27:00 <tatica> probably, yes
18:27:06 <tatica> lol, yes
18:27:17 * spevack thinks that is perfectly reasonable to add
18:27:25 <kital> +1 for adding this
18:27:31 <lfoppiano> Hi guys
18:27:35 <spevack> hi luca
18:27:36 <kital> hi lfoppiano
18:27:48 <kital> we discuss http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/dispute_resolution
18:28:07 <tatica> brb (no more than 2 min)
18:28:42 <kital> spevack should we add it now
18:28:44 <kital> ?
18:28:51 <spevack> kital: i can add it.
18:29:03 <spevack> #action spevack add to and clean up dispute resolution page
18:29:11 <kital> do we have to vote again?
18:29:14 <lfoppiano> ok
18:29:19 <kital> i think not
18:30:13 <kital> #agreed famsco agreed to the Mentors Dispute Resolution with 5:1
18:30:15 <tatica> back
18:30:37 <spevack> #agreed spevack to produce final draft for final famsco approval on mailing list
18:31:22 <kital> ok ;) spevack
18:32:12 <kital> any more comments to this topic?
18:33:09 <RodrigoPadula> nops!
18:33:19 <kital> next topic
18:33:30 <kital> #topic Discuss status of Ambassadors FAQ
18:33:47 <kital> susmit had the coordination
18:33:48 <kital> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_FAQ
18:34:09 <spevack> I think this page needs to be attacked in 2 ways.
18:34:24 <spevack> Number 1 -- Just refresh the list of questions, and use some of Sankarshan's suggestions in doing that.
18:34:40 <spevack> Number 2 -- Encourage the community to help answer the questions, and to add more questions of their own.
18:34:53 <spevack> but *we* should come up with a fresh list of 10 questions that we care about first, so that we can start the ball rolling.
18:34:57 <spevack> EOF
18:35:26 <kital> spevack: susmit has posted a call for contribution on that topic to the Ambassadors list
18:36:03 <kital> and got some answers but it seems there was not really work done?
18:36:14 <kital> susmit: did you get any usefull input
18:36:17 <kital> ?
18:36:18 <spevack> kital: let's give him some time to integrate it.
18:36:22 <spevack> he might be busy with other stuff
18:36:23 <kital> sure
18:36:40 <kital> this are crazy times ;)
18:36:49 <ke4qqq> indeed
18:36:57 <spevack> kital: re-visit this on the mailing list, perhaps, in a few days?
18:37:28 <kital> yes and we will review it next meeting
18:37:30 <kital> ?
18:37:37 <spevack> ok by me
18:39:05 <kital> next topic would be open floor - or should we review the famsco tickets?
18:39:19 <spevack> kital: I went over all the famsco tickets last week,
18:39:19 <kital> or take time for regional feedbacks
18:39:35 <spevack> I think we're in good shape with those.  Nothing we need to review here for tickets.
18:39:45 <spevack> We need to decide a time for the next Town Hall meeting.
18:39:52 <spevack> Maybe next Monday during this meeting time?
18:40:33 <kital> spevack give me one more week
18:40:36 <spevack> Oh, wait!  We need to change the time around for people in other parts of the world.
18:40:51 <spevack> kital: March 22, then, perhaps?
18:40:55 <kital> i am so busy with CLT - and hiemanshu´s stuff hotel ... etc.
18:41:06 <spevack> I think we should pick a time that is good for India/APAC ambassadors for the next town hall.
18:41:22 <kital> 22.March is good
18:42:11 <spevack> So we need to pick a time, and then announce this on ambassadors list and fedora-india list.
18:42:26 <ke4qqq> perhaps susmit can suggest the time we'd get most participation from apac/india
18:42:50 <spevack> probably something like 1400 UTC -- which is 1930 in India.  But yes, we will get some feedback from susmit first
18:43:05 <kital> susmit what do think ? can you answer it  now?
18:43:20 <spevack> #action susmit -- tell us what time on March 22 he thinks would be best for the next FAMSCO town hall to include as many India ambassadors as possible.
18:43:35 <kital> spevack: ;)
18:44:25 <kital> #topic open floor
18:44:55 <kital> Open Floor
18:45:10 <kital> if you want to address your topics it is time
18:45:27 * kital is so unfocused today
18:45:50 <spevack> i have no topics for open floor
18:45:57 * ke4qqq doesn't either
18:46:09 * tatica neither
18:46:11 <spevack> kital: i will take care of the meeting summary/emails/next agenda for you.  don't worry about it this week :)
18:46:24 <tatica> I do have a question
18:46:28 <spevack> tatica: go ahead
18:46:36 <kital> thanks spevack
18:46:39 <tatica> for all of us, just a quick evaluation
18:46:56 <tatica> what are we doing that have us so unfocused sometimes?
18:47:50 <spevack> tatica: sometimes I am slow in IRC meetings because other people are pinging me and I am having a second conversation at the same time.
18:48:07 <tatica> lol, no
18:48:08 <spevack> tatica: also, sometimes I will be updating wiki pages because of what we discuss in the meeting, which slows me down a bit.
18:48:10 <tatica> don't answer me
18:48:13 <kital> tatica: unfocused = because exhausted
18:48:21 <tatica> is just a quick self evaluation
18:48:29 <spevack> ah :)
18:48:33 <kital> tatica: i know exactly why ;=
18:48:35 <kital> ;)
18:48:37 <tatica> lol
18:48:47 <RodrigoPadula> somepeople have children, fulltime jobs and a lot of personal problems
18:48:50 <spevack> depends on the time zone also, sometimes the meeting is at the end of a long day, and people have no more energy :)
18:49:00 <tatica> nop
18:49:08 <tatica> don't evaluate the other people
18:49:18 <tatica> evaluate yourself (that's why I don't want an answer)
18:49:23 <spevack> you just want us to think about it :)  I understand now
18:49:25 <tatica> is just an organization excercise
18:49:33 <tatica> *exercise
18:49:45 <tatica> yup
18:49:52 <RodrigoPadula> by example
18:50:02 <spevack> ok :)
18:50:10 <RodrigoPadula> for me, Fedora was the most important thing in the last 5 years
18:50:11 <spevack> Anyone else have a topic?
18:50:25 <RodrigoPadula> and now I'm keeping my focus on my new business
18:50:33 <RodrigoPadula> and personal carrier
18:50:53 <kital> i think we can end
18:50:57 <tatica> yr
18:50:59 <tatica> yes
18:51:03 <kital> #endmeeting