20:02:08 #startmeeting 20:02:08 Meeting started Tue Mar 23 20:02:08 2010 UTC. The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:02:09 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:02:17 ...i'm so strange 20:02:20 Marketing meeting! 20:02:23 kk 20:02:29 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Agenda 20:02:41 Which has a link to the trac queue. 20:02:48 wonderer: you around? 20:02:58 * wonderer waking up... 20:03:04 wonderer: you have the first agenda item. :) 20:03:12 #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/84 20:03:20 * rbergeron returns 20:03:22 #topic press kits 20:03:31 wonderer: Press kits! How are we doing, what needs to be done? 20:03:36 mchua: i missed how we're linking items to the trac queue, are we just adding the word meeting? 20:03:40 * rbergeron goes back and looks at her mail 20:03:42 stickster mentioned he might be comign late with a quote... 20:03:49 rbergeron: Yeah, we put a keyword, 'meeting' - in the ticket 20:03:52 * rbergeron was just frantically adding tickets to the queue 20:03:59 mchua: Ah, ok. 20:04:02 k, i'll go back in and enter the word 20:04:20 #action robyn to tag new tickets with keyword of meeting 20:05:08 presskit I'm working on the design. The parts will be put together in a few days. I'll wait what input from stickster according from the summit guys come. 20:05:13 eof. 20:05:21 ... i think ... 20:05:25 mchua: i added a separate Component for press kit today, and a new ticket altogether, hopefully to be a master=ticket of sorts. 20:05:32 i shouldn't say mchua. I should say 20:05:36 EVERYONE: i did that :) 20:05:59 YOU DID! 20:06:00 so there is a separate "press kit" ticket rather than just "get better workflow with kara" 20:06:14 well - i figured Press kit isn't going to be a one-step process by any means 20:06:20 * rrix gives rbergeron a big high five 20:06:30 I have been thinking about the component of the press kit that I have responsibility 20:07:09 I got this "About F13" and my first idea was related with talking points, but then that will be redundant 20:07:12 * rbergeron notes that new tickets that came from action items on 20:07:15 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010 20:07:22 now have tickets, in trac 20:07:33 w00t 20:07:38 #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/report 20:07:39 #note rbergeron is teh awesum 20:08:02 #info tickets generated from Marketing FAD action items are documented on the Marketing FAD 2010 page. 20:08:07 So I was thinking about look for the histories about the creation of F13 ... name selection, slogan comments, and things like that 20:08:47 yn1v: Yes, thats some for the "historical" part. sounds good. 20:09:06 do we have the associated responsibilities for the Press Kit modules documented somewhere witha link we can share in this meeting? 20:09:33 ie: who is doing what :) 20:09:47 I was thinking that even the issue of LiveDVD can be part of those paragraph for context about F13 20:10:04 * stickster comes in late 20:10:22 stickster: hey! we're in the middle of press kits, any word from summit? 20:10:34 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Guidelines_for_release_names 20:10:38 hi stickster :) 20:10:43 I haven't heard back from the organizers about the quote or the timeline yet. I'll bug them again ;-) 20:10:50 I don't think that we wrote down that, was just on the white board... we should look in the photos.... perhaps ? 20:10:51 hi southern_gentlem as well :) 20:10:55 hello 20:10:56 * rbergeron feels like the gang is all here, almost 20:12:22 now the slogan i see no documents on 20:12:22 stickster: are you going to document that timeline on the actual [[summit]] page when you get the info? 20:12:25 plz? :) 20:12:30 rbergeron: Absolutely! 20:12:45 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_slogan 20:12:46 I encourage everyone to put a watch on [[Red Hat Summit 2010]] to keep an eye on things as they develop 20:12:50 if everybody knows on wich module he/she wrote a signature under the module part would be nice. 20:12:52 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_release_slogan 20:13:24 * rbergeron knew stickster would do that cuz he's awesome 20:13:25 :) 20:13:34 I only live to serve! 20:13:42 exxxxxxcellent 20:14:01 wonderer: are you talking about the things we discussed in person at the FAD, that we all did a sample page for? 20:14:59 rbergeron: I remember that at one point we all worked on the modules. Ther everyboy should know on what he/she worked... 20:15:02 * rbergeron is wondering if eeryone who was at the FAD is aware of being committed to doing those module pieces, or if they thought we were just brainstorming 20:15:13 i mean committed to working on them beyond the day we were there. 20:15:28 I found in the IRC log where the bits of press kit where assigned to each person 20:15:52 rbergeron, i thought it was brainstroming myself 20:15:56 okay - we should open a ticket for each item and make sure people are still aware 20:16:13 * wonderer has the security spin part 20:16:26 * wonderer will do also the security spin module as well. 20:16:35 southern_gentlem: that's why i'm double checking :) i think there may have been the room for people thinking it was a concept for today - not necessarily something that they needed to commit to long term 20:16:45 rbergeron, do you want me to copy those press kit modules here? 20:16:47 so we should probably check with spevack, ke4qqq, anyone who isn't here 20:17:11 yn1v: yeah, maybe a good idea. 20:17:13 yn1v, wonderer: is there a central wiki page where each of the modules is listed? 20:17:27 i'm pretty sure there is but i will have to search my mail 20:18:01 rbergeron: Agreed re: assigning modules in Trac 20:18:21 You can assign them using Trac, as a matter of fact 20:18:29 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_press_kit 20:18:29 @stickster: and probably getting some buy-in before assigning them :) 20:18:38 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_press_kit 20:18:53 If you use the person's @fp.o account in Trac, they'll even receive the email for the ticket updates, just like Bugzilla (if you're familiar with that workflow at all) 20:18:58 press kit hacking ** "About F13" blurb (Neville) ** 4 F's (Robyn) ** Pymodule (Max) ** Stats (Mel) ** Background of fedora (Ryan and Ben) ** Design spin (David) ** Security spin (Henrik ) ** USB key stuff (Russell) 20:19:25 yep, that sounds good so far. 20:19:25 right - so i think we need to do the following: 20:19:25 * stickster has admin rights to the marketing Trac and can help facilitate things if needed anywhere 20:19:58 yn1v: can you go in and kind of balance the [F13_Press_Kit]] page - and add the things that aren't listed 20:20:08 stickster, rbergeron: If you want to grant rights to others, please feel free. I trust you both to spread responsibility wisely. 20:20:40 like the 4 F's isn't listed 20:20:45 Background of Fedora 20:20:46 ##$dayjob### 20:20:52 mchua: yup, very sensible 20:20:53 unless we are thinking that isn't needed 20:20:57 yn1v: if you have time :) 20:21:15 * rbergeron is always sensible and responsible.... errrrrr 20:21:16 :) 20:21:46 rbergeron, yes 20:21:46 wonderer: could you maybe do some brainstorming on a timeline here - maybe outside of what we would need to get it done for RH Summit, but just in general 20:21:54 What steps do we need to do? 20:22:10 We can fill in all these materials, but then i have to assume there are $otherthingstodo 20:22:12 1.) write modules 20:22:18 2.) put them together 20:22:27 yes, but what does "put them together" mean 20:22:31 :) 20:22:43 Do we need to send them to design to make them pretty and pdf'd 20:22:44 3.) look over design for a) print, b) media like CD/USB-Key 20:22:45 etc. 20:23:21 4.) give it to print / ISO-Creation, etc. 20:23:23 wonderer: can you add a section to F13_press_kit documenting what the steps / milestones here are 20:23:23 In my mind putting together means print one page for each module with nice tabs on one border so it will be easy to browse 20:23:40 5.) have them ready for send them out OR take them with to next event. 20:23:51 well, i think one of the steps is actually discussing how we want to do it, having that discussion / meeting 20:24:01 wrt what yn1v said :) 20:24:24 put them together means how ach module should look like, is a screensot or a picture in, etc. 20:24:44 right, but we need to document that meaning 20:25:02 not just assume we all know what "put it together" means and assume that we all have the same vision :) 20:25:09 I'll put the steps into the general press kit page. 20:25:20 wonderer: thank you :) 20:25:39 #action wonderer to put steps for press kit / milestones on [[F13_press_kit]] 20:25:59 #action yn1v to double-check logs vs. [[F13_press_kit]] modules currently listed 20:26:17 and then - we need to double-check ownership. i can take care of that, unless wonderer or yn1v wants to. 20:26:23 #action wonderer to put steps for press kit / milestones on [[press_kit]] 20:26:27 And if necessary, find new owners 20:26:36 wonderer: good call 20:26:39 :) 20:27:01 * stickster thinks of "putting together" as having camera-ready content, sending to printer, having things printed (and optionally assembled) 20:27:01 we need to agree on the wiki path and structure of the press kit 20:27:18 * stickster reminds everyone not to use slashes in the wiki if avoidable 20:27:26 * rbergeron nods 20:27:35 [[Press kit - history module]] should work 20:27:36 the different modules where put at different places during brainstorming 20:27:52 I think we can probably start doing some defining in the wiki page of what each step means 20:28:01 once wonderer has the basic framework in of the steps. 20:28:46 yn1v: we can probably pull that out of the logs, right? i can help there 20:28:51 I will create Marketing/F13_Press_Kit and try to link all the other bit 20:29:41 i think we need to do two things in the next week: (1) get solid ownership for each module and (2) work towards having a more defined 'steps to press kit' written down with meanings / definitions, and work towards having that be really solid in 2-3 weeks. 20:29:57 rbergeron, I can do it. 20:30:21 yn1v: the ownership thing? 20:30:40 or the log thing 20:30:45 put together the modules and start asking for people to take ownership 20:30:46 * ke4qqq is here albeit late 20:30:53 * rbergeron thinks we shoudl wrap up this topic and move on 20:30:57 * mchua agrees 20:31:04 Do we have any other actions to note? 20:31:12 #action yn1v to put together modules info. and double-check ownership with people 20:31:37 #action rbergero then to create tickets in trac for each module 20:31:57 #info we should work towards a goal of having a solidified step-by-step plan with milestones for press kit in the next 2-3 meetings. 20:32:00 nope. 20:32:03 Nice. 20:32:03 Okay. 20:32:05 moving on, take it away mchua 20:32:19 #topic Feature profiles 20:32:25 #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/91 20:32:25 mchua... please add this link to the log: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F13_Press_Kit 20:32:34 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F13_Press_Kit 20:32:44 are we wanting to avoid those nested wiki links? 20:32:49 stickster ^^^^ 20:32:50 How are folks with their feature profiles? rbergeron, stickster, ke4qqq? 20:32:53 I haven't gotten to start mine yet. 20:32:56 rbergeron: redirects are easy, i can do it 20:33:05 I have not either -- I've been Westforded this week! 20:33:07 #info rbergero has some names and will start emailing soon 20:33:08 #action mchua redrect the press kit pages (SOP-'em, also) 20:33:12 ohhhh 20:33:18 threethirty is interested in doing a feature profile 20:33:23 podcast style 20:33:31 I have a couple names and will hit them up. 20:33:35 he apparently is the podcastamasta 20:33:38 * stickster doing it right now :-) 20:35:18 stickster, since you're the king of master wiki template-age 20:35:32 do you think it would be a good idea to have a press kit wiki template? 20:35:39 or wait until this process is over and see how we can template it 20:35:44 not to back up in topic or anything 20:35:50 * wonderer thinks wait is better. 20:35:51 actually we can discuss later ;) it's mostly wiki administrivia 20:36:06 #action rbergero to talk to stickster later about wiki administrivia with templates 20:36:18 * rbergeron nods about wait is better 20:36:31 important is more the printable and stuff for the ISO. not the text content in the wiki and how that looks like. THAT can also be plain text. 20:36:34 * stickster thus stays silent 20:36:34 * yn1v also nods 20:36:40 ke4qqq ... are u here 20:36:45 #info threethirty interested in helping with feature profiles 20:36:53 rbergeron: depends - are you assigning me tasks? 20:37:09 In the interests of time, I can also follow up with folks on this on the Marketing list. 20:37:19 I want to make sure we get time for our last two agenda items, and whatever rbergeron wanted to bring up. 20:37:41 ke4qqq: depends, are you going to take them if i am assigning them? :) 20:37:54 ke4qqq: wondering where you are with feature profile 20:38:09 no pressure, the rest of us are nowhere 20:38:10 :) 20:38:10 so I need to ping eric since val claims she's not qualified 20:38:27 stickster: ^^ see my email on this - I was completely baffled by vals response 20:38:49 #info rbergero, mchua, stickster, ke4qqq are all still diligently plowing away on feature profiles 20:39:12 * rbergeron pokes at rrix 20:39:22 Okay, I'm going to move on to our next topic here... 20:39:25 #topic Research-fu! 20:39:29 #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/41 20:39:31 rbergeron, take it away. 20:40:11 oh 20:40:20 AHEM... 20:40:24 * rbergeron looks at ticket 20:40:38 wow, this is like 60 tickets old 20:40:40 sad 20:40:49 so, i sent out email earlier this week on limesurvey goodness 20:41:09 basically i'd like to try and have a short meeting with everyone who is involved 20:41:14 interested in being involved 20:41:38 so we can all be briefed on (a) where we are, exactly, besides "limbo" 20:41:58 and (b) what we need to do, (c) see if we can get this done before F14 is over 20:42:09 so... the only person i have heard back from thus far is ke4qqq 20:42:16 as far as having discussion in $nonmarketingmeeting timeslot 20:42:29 so I'll probably ping the mailing list again. 20:42:36 and poke rrix, who is awesome for doing some packaging for me. 20:42:40 rbergeron: Where can we fill in a meeting time? 20:43:10 stickster: I didn't put it in a wiki; I suppose I could, I just figured I'd try and find an agreeable time amongst those few who dare to be involved with such an amazing project :) 20:43:28 would you recommend I put in a time slot on the wiki page? 20:43:30 rbergeron: Or use something like whenisgood.net -- pick some times that work for you and let everyone else tag on. 20:43:44 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Things_to_do_to_finish_Limesurvey 20:44:16 So that page says we're not having an extra meeting, is that correct? 20:44:21 #action rbergero to ask for times on whenisgood.net from available, and interested 20:44:26 * rrix pokes rbergeron 20:44:32 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Things_to_do_to_finish_Limesurvey#Limesurvey_Next_Steps 20:44:42 stickster: i meant a oncemeeting 20:44:46 that is not marketing meeting 20:44:46 Ah! OK 20:44:50 but not every single week 20:44:50 cool, cool 20:44:51 :) 20:44:53 right on 20:44:56 * rbergeron hopes that was clear 20:45:06 * stickster catches up, hi! I'm new here. 20:45:18 welcome! is there anything youer' interested in contributing to? :) 20:45:45 anyhow, that's all i have. 20:45:48 plowing ahead. 20:46:04 #info robyn plowing ahead on limesurvey... going to get a lime-colored ribbon for this. 20:46:09 * rbergeron pokes at mchua 20:46:10 :D 20:46:20 * rbergeron looks to meeting agenda 20:47:08 okay, so ... 20:47:19 * stickster thinks that lime ribbon will be the hot selling item at this year's awards banquets 20:47:20 #topic Marketing FAD - action items update 20:47:29 #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/102 20:47:51 Thanks. :) 20:47:52 so - for those who haven't looked recently 20:47:54 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010 20:48:06 mchua added in all the "action items" from the FAD 20:48:17 Yep. 20:48:23 How are we doing with those? 20:48:34 I've gone in and made tickets for those action items, mostly, and added the information to Trac. 20:48:38 err. 20:48:41 Added the trac information to this page. 20:49:05 mchua: you had this one 20:49:07 a: turn brainstorm into tickets in the proper queues, and do a first push aimed at getting new contributors to pick those tickets up. 20:49:15 that should say mchua... at the beginning of that, btw 20:49:38 so - I have the ticket to actually finish up the brainstorm sorting, since yn1v did an awesome job of getting it all centralized in one location 20:49:56 so I'll pass that off to you once I have it more prioritized and whatnot. and then you can make tickets, or i can make tickets 20:50:09 It is still missing the bucketizing process 20:50:26 right, that's what i meant by prioritized 20:50:27 sorry :) 20:50:31 well 20:50:34 bucketized and prioritized 20:50:40 * rbergeron loves words 20:50:55 mchua: so you talked to kara about a classroom session, and zonker and sean? 20:51:03 * yn1v loves the idea of bucketizing 20:51:17 yn1v: go for it if you want to :) 20:51:21 rbergeron: Yes! All of them said yes. 20:51:29 #action mchua schedule Classroom sessions 20:52:35 mchua mark me one action for bucketizing the brainstorming 20:52:47 #action yn1v bucketizing the brainstorming 20:52:54 :D 20:53:08 one thing i saw - we got the social networking ideas onto the wiki 20:53:19 but i don't see us turning that into.... something of a plan for going forward 20:53:39 so - I'm going to make a ticket for that 20:53:45 and try to solicit an owner over the next week 20:54:09 I'm going to try to get the Allegheny students excited about the social networking bit, btw. 20:54:11 #action rbergero to make ticket for social networkign plan and find an owner for that going forwards 20:54:15 sweet 20:54:33 rrix: how goes the video thing, btw 20:54:49 * rbergeron notes there is an action item that reads "page with some video editing introductory remarks and mission statement/messaging goals" 20:55:01 * rbergeron wonders if rrix the video master is interested? 20:55:03 rbergeron: working on it now.. I'm having some trouble getting all of cgrams's awesomeness down to < 10 minutes it seems 20:55:12 * rbergeron nods 20:55:13 rbergeron: I can do that, sure 20:55:15 Many people have had that problem before you :-) 20:55:19 k 20:55:43 * mchua grins 20:55:43 oh, speaking of cgrams - i don't know if anyone saw his most excellent blog post yesterday on open sourced design 20:55:47 OH YES 20:55:54 And rbergeron's most excellent reply. 20:55:59 Yes indeed, and replies :-) 20:56:03 but basically i talked to him a bit in blog about having our "brand book " process be a more or less case study for how open source design would work 20:56:15 so 20:56:19 HOPE U DONT MIND :) 20:56:50 it's not starting tomorrow or anything. we'll probably be discussing more going forward. 20:56:53 food for thought. 20:57:03 #link http://darkmattermatters.com/2010/03/22/can-truly-great-design-be-done-the-open-source-way/ 20:57:19 #info look what rbergero has gotten us into now! :) tosw goodness. 20:57:30 * rbergeron looks at the 3 minutes left 20:57:40 i think the post-fad stuff is coming along well. 20:58:23 Yep. I think we're moving through it at a good pace. 20:58:26 when can we expect something from the Red Hat Video team? Is that normaly a matter of days / weeks...? 20:58:28 While still staying on top of our deliverables. 20:58:33 weeks, i think 20:58:34 like 20:58:41 the weeks that turn into months 20:58:42 :) 20:59:16 * wonderer looks to spevack and stickster who has some experience with them... 20:59:21 #action we need to send nice thank you note in the email to all the people who came and helped us at marketing fad :) 20:59:43 I think we're looking at the order of weeks, yes 20:59:50 ok 21:00:10 I know that someone is working *already* on the general release video I shot with notting 21:00:23 stickster: do we / you have any of those people's email addresses 21:00:24 or mchua 21:00:34 or anyone.... with access to rh email address book 21:00:51 oh, the video isn't cgrams, it's choke. /me is in need of CAFFEINE 21:01:00 Yes, choke@ -- he did boom mic, you might recall -- is editing the general release video right now 21:01:03 (Colby Hoke) 21:01:25 He usually does the lion's share of the editing, so it will be somewhat of a serial operation. 21:01:33 rbergeron: Does that help? 21:02:12 yeah, and he's the one I have footage of that i'm editing, lol 21:02:40 stickster: help with............ 21:02:48 the email addresses 21:02:52 * rbergeron was looking for address to thank them, not harass them :) 21:03:01 so if you know their names beyond colby :) 21:03:01 * mchua grins 21:03:02 Whoops 21:03:06 :) 21:03:09 rbergeron: choke@ ... :) 21:03:15 Hmm -- I'll get that together 21:03:37 just to be nice, and stuff 21:03:37 #action stickster Get addresses together for rbergeron to thank Creative crew 21:03:41 so my mom doesn't get mad at me :) 21:03:44 heh 21:03:48 * rbergeron grins 21:04:09 anything else 21:04:10 ? 21:04:11 anyone? 21:04:22 I think we're set, actually. :) 21:04:28 +1 21:04:32 sweeeet. 21:04:38 Aaaand closing... 21:04:42 Iiiiinnnn.... 21:04:44 5... 21:04:45 * rbergeron thanks everyone for coming and hopes they are now officially recovered from travel 21:04:47 4... 21:04:55 rbergeron: +1 21:04:56 except stickster, who's back on travel :) 21:04:56 3... 21:04:59 2... 21:05:01 hey stickster :) 21:05:03 1... 21:05:05 Thanks y'all! 21:05:08 #endmeeting