18:02:32 #startmeeting famsco-meeting 2010-03-29 18:02:34 Meeting started Mon Mar 29 18:02:32 2010 UTC. The chair is kital. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:02:36 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:02:43 marcus_ is here 18:02:55 #chair spevack 18:02:56 Current chairs: kital spevack 18:03:03 #topic Roll Call 18:03:06 Joerg Simon 18:03:11 Luca Foppiano 18:03:12 David Nalley 18:03:14 Marcus Moeller 18:03:21 Susmit Shannigrahi 18:03:26 Max Spevack 18:04:05 Sandro Mathys (spectator) 18:05:17 * RodrigoPadula is here 18:05:20 ;) 18:05:21 what's first on the list? 18:05:36 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda 18:05:41 Rodrigo Padula 18:06:05 as we have marcus_ and red_alert around i think we should make the fudcon topic our first one 18:06:14 that would be great 18:06:29 +1 18:06:30 +1 18:06:34 +1 18:06:46 yes 18:06:50 #topic Event Organization - FUDCon EMEA 2010 - clarification Bid Process seems to stuck!? and how can famsco support the comm arch team 18:07:08 we where a bit frustrated about the overall process, which has somewhat been discussed on the ambassadors and planning list 18:07:43 max stated that he did not have the time to coordinate or even to take a decision 18:08:14 marcus_: i think the point that I was getting at on (I think) Saturday or Friday night was the following: 18:08:20 marcus_: go on but please for the further meeting follow meeting guidelines ;) 18:08:33 kital, sorry 18:08:41 marcus_: np 18:08:42 (1) "We" meaning the Fedora Project are trying to get a formal process in place for all furture FUDCon organizations. and... 18:08:46 (2) 18:09:19 That involves a "bid process" and it's pretty clear that Zurich is the only location with motivated owners and people like yourself who have done a lot of research, which means that with 5 months until a September FUDCon, it's definitely time to *make* a decision. 18:09:27 and (3) Apologies for not having had a decision made sooner. 18:09:28 EOF 18:09:32 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process 18:09:37 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_and_FAD_locations#Zurich 18:09:45 just to be clear, I believe that Zurich has followed the bid process quite well. 18:10:08 ok - now to keep this usefull ... 18:10:08 yes, i had some discussions with paul to improve the process and we already added some notes to the relevant wiki pages 18:11:13 what needs to be solved most important 18:11:20 marcus_: ? 18:11:24 marcus_: in your opinion, what would you like to see next? 18:11:33 is it now clear that we can make it? 18:11:36 so FUDCon EMEA 2010 will definitely take place in Zurich, right? like officially and all 18:11:41 Get the wiki pages set up, and start the hard-core organization? 18:12:04 ok, that sounds great. 18:12:14 can we profit from past plannings in some form? 18:12:27 I think that *given* the processes that we are trying to set up and follows, Zurich is the location for 2010's EMEA FUDCon, yes. *ASSUMING* that you guys still want to make it happen. 18:12:41 marcus_: I think that we can definitely use past planning. 18:12:43 e.g. are there persons besides you with good knowlege about budget and such things? 18:12:52 marcus_: yes. 18:13:18 that would be great, because you don't reply to emails that often 18:13:26 marcus_: you've made that point very clearly :) 18:13:26 nor to ml posts... 18:13:45 marcus_: perhaps you should tell me a few more times how awful i am at my job. I'm sure that will help. 18:13:47 so please tell me whom to contact instead if you are so busy 18:14:03 spevack, hey you are getting money for that :) 18:14:25 okay. we are going to set up a basic page 18:14:31 with some open questions 18:14:32 I'm not 100% sure if it's not too late to be able to organize everything (mostly hotel rooms / conference rooms) but Marcus made some great efforts while I travelled through Japan and outlook is pretty good ATM :) 18:14:33 marcus_: the fudcon-planning list is where we'll do all the communication 18:14:43 ok marcus_ from your pov - what are the next steps that need to be clarified here and how can famsco support the comm arch team 18:14:49 i am going to post the link on the planning list and invite others to join up on the ambassadors list 18:15:17 marcus_ and red_alert: if conference rooms and hotel can be finalized, everything else is easy. :) 18:15:23 ok 18:15:35 spevack: agreed, that's why we've been working on that for some time already 18:15:39 red_alert: yep, i know 18:16:05 marcus_ red_alert you want to do the fudcon in barcamp mode or plan an agenda like we do in india? 18:16:06 the next step would be to collect ideas of possible sub-events meetings and put them on wiki page. the guys from india already did some nice stuff for their fudcon 18:16:08 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Pune_2010/Agenda 18:16:24 yes 18:16:38 marcus_: it was an "or" question ;) 18:16:42 i think we are going to plan a little agenda and offer some free hacking space 18:17:03 that's the page i was looking for kital 18:17:05 i'm sure that it will have some similar flavors to other fudcons, and maybe some new ideas as well. 18:17:20 marcus_: I'd borrow most heavily from FUDCon Toronto's pages and planning process. 18:17:50 ok. what I would prefer if we could outline what needs to be done for planning, while planning 18:18:08 marcus_: i also suggest a weekly or at least 14 days organization meeting to keep the planning process going 18:18:09 this would help upcoming event orga to do their job as well 18:19:03 I can get the basic wiki pages set up after this meeting. 18:19:04 kital: that's right, that's been a good thing last year :) thanks for the reminder! 18:19:04 and as this should be a wiki page it's open for everyone to contribute 18:19:10 spevack, thanks 18:19:11 marcus_: this might help http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_organization_process 18:19:19 marcus_: I *promise* you that will be done later today :) 18:19:30 hehe 18:19:44 please post the link on the planning list 18:19:54 i will 18:20:18 ok. from my pov we are ready to go. 18:20:26 great! 18:20:27 red_alert, what do you think? 18:20:33 perfect can we do action items on that? 18:20:45 I'm ready since last autumn 18:20:55 #action spevack fudcon zurich/emea 2010 wiki pages set up, initial population of info, and sent to fudcon-planning list 18:21:00 i dont get who is doing what for the next steps 18:21:04 ah thanks spevack 18:21:18 spevack: is that something we can offload from you? 18:21:30 red_alert: can you take care for regular planing meetings? 18:21:31 i am managing the hotel and room stuff 18:21:31 #action marcus_ figure out a time for a weekly IRC meeting for fudcon zurich planning on fudcon-planning list 18:21:40 oki ;) 18:21:40 ok 18:21:44 ke4qqq: i set aside time today to do that stuff, so it's ok. 18:21:51 ok 18:22:21 great - thanks marcus_ and red_alert for your time - and also the time you already put into it! 18:22:26 i would suggest a bi-weekly meeting instead. 18:22:31 marcus_: sure :) 18:22:41 hehe 18:22:48 +1 for bi-weekly...at least until we get closer to the event :) 18:23:01 okay thanks guys. leaving for today. 18:23:33 ok thanks 18:23:52 same here...getting some sleep after flying 15hrs through 7 time zones ;) 18:24:04 red_alert: good night - welcome back 18:24:16 next topic 18:24:28 #topic Review https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_project_structure 18:24:35 thanks ke4qqq for your work! 18:24:49 sorry it's so late in coming 18:25:28 you posted it already on the list 18:25:47 @all are there points listed that famsco should discuss? 18:25:51 and no one flamed me yet - soooo - perhaps it isn't awful 18:26:02 s/should/needs to 18:26:37 * spevack is basically ready to just go do FUDCon stuff for the next few hours. 18:27:23 ke4qqq: I thought the project structure page was good. 18:27:26 ke4qqq: seems you did it very clear - nobody finds a fault in it 18:27:33 it does a nice job of clarifying things. 18:28:13 ok if no one has complaints I'll strip the draft tag and link to it from [[Ambassadors]] 18:28:18 later today 18:28:19 ke4qqq: +1 18:28:45 more votes? 18:28:51 +1 18:29:03 I'll +1 myself :) 18:29:09 ;) 18:29:17 +1 18:29:24 susmit_: RodrigoPadula ? 18:30:21 yes +1 18:30:30 sorry 18:30:37 #action ke4qqq strip the draft tag from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_project_structure 18:31:10 next topic would be open floor 18:31:19 ! 18:31:22 ke4qqq: 18:31:39 so we've been having a lot of ambassadors both on and off list 18:31:50 not be 'most excellent' to each other 18:32:00 and a rash of resignation - or attempts thereof 18:32:08 * spevack nods 18:32:09 any thoughts on curbing either? 18:32:37 seems like the past few weeks have been abnormally high in incidents 18:32:48 * spevack did his best to handle the incident that he felt he was at fault for. 18:32:59 which is strange for f-a-l - is -devel bleeding off into us? :) 18:33:05 i think that the community is pretty much self regulated - and i think we as famsco should lead by example 18:33:27 kital, by resigning? ;) 18:33:35 yeah - I was impressed with the handling of that incident involving spevack - he took responsibility up front. but there is still exchanges going over that. 18:33:41 heh 18:33:56 there are still exchanges.... 18:34:45 susmit_: ;) threatening is never a good idea 18:34:52 EOF from me 18:35:21 I think susmit was suggesting we do it right the first time - not threaten :) 18:35:45 I'm going to be writing some private emails this week to other folks who were angry about the EMEA stuff. 18:36:08 i think susmit_ is tired of all the "i resign - because of this and this and ..." 18:36:23 * ke4qqq is contemplating whether a be most excellent email to the list would be helpful - I seem to doubt it but... 18:36:27 susmit_: was my interpretation right? 18:36:40 I am not tired..I am worried 18:36:53 * spevack is getting a phone call from an insurance company 18:36:54 brb 18:37:06 if that becomes the trend, too bad for us 18:37:28 kital, ^ 18:37:34 susmit_: right 18:38:17 and it also encourages other people to take similar decisions when done on public list 18:38:22 sets a very bad example IMO 18:38:23 yes 18:38:53 eof 18:38:57 thats why it is most important that we lead by example as said before - we should be responsive, levelheaded and encouraging 18:40:10 yes, but we need to convey that there is at least one step before resigning...dropping a mail to famsco 18:40:33 but unfortunately, that has not happened so far. 18:40:35 susmit_: big +1 18:40:55 yes - if no one else wants it - I'll draft a mail to the list asking that 1. they play nice with each other and 2. if they get frustrated and want to quit to come to famsco/regional leadership first 18:41:01 is someone willing to draft an email to the Ambassador List - 18:41:05 ke4qqq: ;) 18:41:43 ke4qqq, I shall help 18:41:54 ke4qqq susmit +1 yes good idea 18:41:55 susmit_: cool 18:42:14 #action ke4qqq susmit_ draft a mail to the list asking that 1. they play nice with each other and 2. if they get frustrated and want to quit to come to famsco/regional leadership first 18:42:53 It would even be enough to say that *any* time an Ambassador has a frustration s/he can't resolve, they can come to FAmSCo or regional leaders 18:43:05 They don't have to be ready to quit first! :-) 18:43:13 :-) 18:43:23 +1 stickster 18:43:26 stickster: ;) 18:44:02 one other thing please remember to fill your content in the monthly famsco report 18:44:03 yes, +1 as well. 18:44:05 * spevack is back. 18:44:14 * spevack shakes his head over his poor injured car 18:44:16 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2010-03 18:45:04 whats the deadline for this document? 18:45:12 * ke4qqq is having to harass NA people for event reports 18:45:43 i would say 01.April 2010 15:00 UTC 18:46:14 ok for all? 18:46:25 workforme 18:46:32 worksforme also 18:46:45 * ke4qqq apparently can't type 18:47:11 ;) 18:47:27 ok thats all this time from my pov 18:47:56 thanks for leading this meeting, kital 18:47:59 any other topics or questions? 18:48:02 spevack: ;) 18:48:31 endmeeting ? 18:48:33 3 18:48:39 2 18:48:44 1 18:48:49 #endmeeting