18:05:09 <spevack> #startmeeting famsco 18:05:10 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Apr 5 18:05:09 2010 UTC. The chair is spevack. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:05:12 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:05:15 <kital> lets start 18:05:16 <spevack> #chair kital spevack 18:05:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: kital spevack 18:05:21 <spevack> kital: go ahead :) 18:05:58 <susmit> hi 18:05:59 <kital> spevack as wrote in my email before our agenda has no new business items 18:06:03 <kital> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda 18:06:15 <spevack> Well I have some good news to share 18:06:22 <spevack> that is famsco related 18:06:24 <kital> #topic Roll Call 18:06:30 <spevack> .fas mspevack 18:06:33 <kital> Joerg Simon 18:06:35 <zodbot> spevack: mspevack 'Max Spevack' <mspevack@redhat.com> 18:06:42 <ke4qqq> David Nalley 18:06:47 <susmit> susmit 18:06:51 <lfoppianoww> Luca foppiano 18:07:03 <tatica> Maria Leandro 18:07:39 <kital> welcome all - i suggest we review the current action items first 18:08:21 <spevack> I can go first with mine 18:08:34 <kital> sure spevack move on 18:08:47 * susmit is eager to know the good news 18:09:06 <spevack> I know that Paul Mellors is going to be at an event in the near future -- I can't remember which, but I saw an email about this, so I think we're in good shape for making sure that we have some activity in the UK. 18:09:22 <susmit> nice. 18:09:26 <kital> #topic current action items 18:09:36 <spevack> I've not yet had a chance to go through the old FAMSCO tickets for personal information, or to do a final pass of the dispute resolution document. These are lower priority, I suppose, but I need to find a bit of extra time for them and I will. 18:09:37 <lfoppianoww> cool stuff 18:09:44 <spevack> I've been pretty active in going through my FAMSCO tickets. 18:09:53 <ke4qqq> spevack: is that something that can be offloaded off of you? 18:10:09 <spevack> ke4qqq: sure... Anyone else could take either of those. 18:10:09 <ke4qqq> or maybe get some added help 18:10:23 <spevack> especially the dispute resolution doc. 18:10:35 <spevack> That was basically just "do some proofreading and make sure it's as clear as possible" 18:10:51 * tatica have a topic that couldn't add in time 18:10:54 <spevack> does someone want to take that? Someone who didn't write the current draft? 18:11:29 <susmit> how about sending it to the docs team for proofreading? 18:11:31 * ke4qqq will take the dispute resolution doc, and also volunteer to start perusing the trac instance 18:11:41 <lfoppianoww> I can take it 18:11:55 <ke4qqq> lfoppianoww: please do - /me rescinds his offer 18:12:06 <lfoppianoww> oky 18:12:09 * spevack updates the wiki page accordingly 18:12:17 <spevack> Two other quick things from me: 18:12:55 <kital> #action will take the dispute resolution doc, and also volunteer to start perusing the trac instance 18:13:00 <kital> #undo 18:13:01 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x2b03b2922410> 18:13:03 <spevack> My open famsco tickets are mostly just waiting on receipts. I've gotten PayPal payments out to a bunch of folks in the last two weeks. We've got money in the hands of both RodrigoPadula and tatica for FLISOL, and when I get receipts from them probably later this month, then I can file expense reports for those. 18:13:10 <kital> #action ke4qqq will take the dispute resolution doc, and also volunteer to start perusing the trac instance 18:13:24 <tatica> yeap 18:13:26 <spevack> Here's the good news, in my opinion. 18:13:42 <spevack> I've gotten Red Hat's finance people to agree to try something new with me. 18:13:47 <tatica> btw, I won't be able to buy t-shirts, but I do pay some other things like stickers, media and maybe a banner 18:14:30 <spevack> Assuming there's no problems with the bank -- we're going to be able to get about 5 credit cards for fedora community members, that will allow them to pay for stuff and the bill goes directly to the right place. 18:14:41 <spevack> Which pretty much cuts me out as the middle man, which is awesome 18:15:00 * ke4qqq applauds loudly - knowing this has been in the process for years 18:15:16 <lfoppianoww> cool 18:15:17 <susmit> yes, cool 18:15:19 <kital> super 18:15:19 <RodrigoPadula> Ops, sorry guys I'm late 18:15:29 <spevack> My goal is to make sure we can spread this around the world, and to handle some of the process around it. But it gives us a chance to put those cards directly into the hands of regional leaders or famsco members worldwide, and will help tremendously with general swag, events, and even fudcons. 18:15:49 <tatica> wow, great 18:15:57 <spevack> I want to get at least 1 in LATAM, EMEA, India, and NA to start. 18:16:02 <kital> RodrigoPadula: we review the cureent action items right now 18:16:04 <RodrigoPadula> spevack, I'm at home now, so , I will organize the receipts to add to the ticket 18:16:10 <spevack> RodrigoPadula: cool! 18:16:20 <spevack> so that's about it from me. 18:16:21 * ke4qqq notes that spevack must have the most charming smile on the face of the earth to have pulled this off :) 18:16:27 <kital> ;) 18:16:31 <susmit> :) 18:16:48 <spevack> EOF 18:16:58 <RodrigoPadula> spevack, great idea spevack , it will help us a lot! 18:17:16 <kital> ke4qqq tatica any news on wiki page for "things to show on your laptop during an event" 18:17:17 <susmit> spevack, what about APAC? 18:17:19 <RodrigoPadula> Mainly for organize events and FUDCons 18:17:25 <spevack> susmit: yep, APAC too. 18:17:30 <spevack> 5 regions, 5 cards. 18:17:35 <ke4qqq> kital: that page has been updated - probably needs to move out from under User:tatica 18:17:41 <spevack> As 18:17:44 <tatica> noup, I have been REALLY busy with flisol 18:17:52 <spevack> As I think about the details, I'll say more on FAMSCO list. 18:17:53 * ke4qqq has updated it a bit. 18:18:02 <tatica> I add some things, but I'm really running with the final details of flisol :\ 18:18:13 * tatica thinks: this is my worst month in the year 18:18:25 * ke4qqq would almost suggest we forego an NA card - we have lots of CommArch people who can spend on our behalf here..... 18:19:01 <lfoppianoww> +1 18:19:12 <ke4qqq> since number of cards is a constraint 18:21:01 <susmit> so, should we move on? 18:21:06 <kital> sure 18:21:07 <spevack> yep. 18:21:36 <kital> Mentoring Survey is still very early stage 18:21:45 <kital> i have added valuable input from sankarshan 18:21:57 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Mentors_Survey#Notes_from_Sankarshan_to_reconsider 18:22:43 * tatica wants to nominee a mentor for latam 18:23:06 <kital> tatica we come back later to that - thanks for 18:23:06 <tatica> can be done here or must be through the list? 18:23:11 <tatica> oki 18:23:26 <kital> ke4qqq: is there something new on the survey software 18:23:27 <kital> ? 18:23:56 <ke4qqq> the test system for phpesp which will work for a simple survey is up on pt6 iirc 18:24:21 <susmit> ke4qqq, any link? 18:24:30 <kital> do you think we can draft something together till next week based on what i wrote in the wiki? 18:24:50 <ke4qqq> kital: yes I think thats accomplishable 18:26:16 <kital> #action kital ke4qqq work on "moving the survey draft" 18:27:21 <kital> ok - i see susmits current items can be purged 18:27:39 <kital> they are already done 18:27:52 <kital> another thing i want to add here is - the March Report 18:28:03 <kital> we have got no input from latam this time 18:28:26 <kital> so we had to publish it without updates on latam 18:28:29 <kital> http://susmit.fedorapeople.org/report/famsco_report_mar_2010.html 18:28:39 <kital> thanks susmit for working it out 18:29:02 <susmit> kital, I use a script for it...but 18:29:16 <spevack> well, maybe RodrigoPadula and tatica were too busy with FLISOL and other things. Hopefully we can have a lot from LATAM in April's document, because FLISOL will be a great success. 18:29:28 <susmit> I think we should start working on it at least a week earlier 18:29:31 <RodrigoPadula> sure 18:29:55 <ke4qqq> susmit: +1 most of the stuff isn't dependent on the last week, and would show us problems 18:30:11 <kital> sankarshan gave a feedback to the report with request that we should add a topic with plans for the coming month 18:30:15 <tatica> I don't have anything to report YET from Latam, as Max said... this is a planning month (at least for me) 18:30:15 <lfoppianoww> +1 18:30:16 <ke4qqq> for instance NA had no event reports - soi I was scrambling to harass people about event reports last minute 18:30:23 <RodrigoPadula> and the last friday we had an holiday, so I had to travel with my girlfriend :-) 18:30:36 <susmit> well, not to mean any personal offense, but it is not the first time we got delayed because of latam. 18:30:36 <RodrigoPadula> tatica, +1 18:31:06 <tatica> besides 18:31:21 <tatica> I sometimes get confused about what should I report from latam 18:31:35 <spevack> My view 18:31:45 <susmit> RodrigoPadula, tatica, can you please send a message across that there is no update from your part..that would be nice. 18:31:56 <kital> tatica: what was accomplished during your regional meetings? 18:31:58 <spevack> is that the regional sections are places to link to event reports, or to summarize 3 or 4 important things that happened in regional meetings that month, that others might want to know 18:32:03 <kital> tatica: collection of event reports 18:32:16 <susmit> spevack, both 18:32:34 <kital> spevack: ;) +1 18:32:48 <tatica> ok 18:33:11 <tatica> I think the most important to report is the budget 18:33:30 <tatica> except that this month has been quiet... you need to take 10 days of vacations of latam 18:33:57 <tatica> this past week was holiday in most of the countries 18:34:07 <RodrigoPadula> tatica, +1 18:34:36 <kital> no problem if there is no update just let us know about it 18:34:42 <tatica> got it 18:34:46 <spevack> we understand. The simple fact is that the reports speak for themselves. I would think that if we have a gap in ANY part of the report, the Ambassadors on the whole will say "let's make sure that doesn't happen again!" 18:35:25 <kital> i want bring up again the feedback from sankarshan! 18:35:48 <kital> do we want do add this topic? or is it enough to refer to our Agenda wiki page? 18:36:06 <kital> 20:30 < kital> sankarshan gave a feedback to the report with request that we should add a topic with plans for the coming month 18:36:14 <susmit> kital, I think we maintain the agenda/work list..it would be trivial if we want to add it to the report. 18:37:00 <tatica> what if we had a form to fill with several "important" issues that might be sometimes forgotten? 18:37:07 <susmit> the only question is: "How many months?" 18:37:08 <kital> +1 from me to add our agenda topics to future reports 18:37:14 <tatica> for example... I'm new... I don't have a clue of what should I report 18:37:30 <tatica> I made my last report just in base of what "I think" is important 18:37:41 <kital> susmit: just as "current action items" - if there are milestones we should have them on the agenda anyway 18:37:41 <tatica> and those things RodrigoPadula forget to mention 18:37:56 <tatica> would that worth? 18:37:58 <susmit> tatica, but you now have..don't you? :) 18:38:06 <tatica> just once 18:38:15 <tatica> and because latam had anything in the report 18:38:21 <tatica> again 18:39:32 <kital> can i have a vote on adding the agenda to the report? or do we need more discussion on it 18:39:36 <kital> ? 18:39:41 <susmit> what is done is done..but tatica, you now understand what to report...don't you? 18:39:42 <kital> 20:37 < kital> +1 from me to add our agenda topics to future reports 18:39:47 <tatica> yes 18:40:01 <susmit> nice. kital, +1 18:40:02 <lfoppianoww> +1 18:40:04 <RodrigoPadula> +1 18:40:09 <ke4qqq> kital: +1 from me 18:40:25 <tatica> +1 18:41:03 <RodrigoPadula> ! 18:41:16 <RodrigoPadula> I would to like to talk about the FUDCon Latam 18:41:27 <kital> 6 + votes 18:41:31 <kital> RodrigoPadula: go on 18:41:37 <RodrigoPadula> ok... 18:42:11 <RodrigoPadula> We had some organizational problems with cancelled meetings 18:42:29 <RodrigoPadula> a letter requested by the university where the event will be held 18:42:41 <kital> #agreed to add the current action items from the famsco agenda to the monthly report 18:42:47 <RodrigoPadula> and the local problens in chile 18:42:57 <RodrigoPadula> now, we are reorganizing our schedule 18:43:01 <kital> RodrigoPadula: is there a wiki page for organization? 18:43:04 <RodrigoPadula> and this week we will have a meeting 18:43:09 <RodrigoPadula> yes 18:43:26 <RodrigoPadula> the organization page now is translated in spanish 18:43:33 <RodrigoPadula> to facilitate the local contribution 18:43:42 <RodrigoPadula> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Santiago_2010 18:43:55 <RodrigoPadula> and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Santiago_2010_planning 18:44:15 <RodrigoPadula> the ambassadors from Chile are responsible by update this wiki pages 18:44:25 <RodrigoPadula> and we had some delays 18:44:29 <spevack> RodrigoPadula: what are the biggest blockers for LATAM FUDCon right now? 18:45:00 <RodrigoPadula> I'm in touch with the local ambassadors to complete this wiki pages until the next meeting 18:45:01 <tatica> earthquakes every day? lol 18:45:06 <RodrigoPadula> :-) 18:45:12 <ke4qqq> lol 18:45:30 <spevack> tatica: :) 18:45:32 <RodrigoPadula> so we will advance to the next step ( Event program and full agenda) 18:45:38 <tatica> is not a lol 18:45:53 <RodrigoPadula> I think this week I wil have more news about it 18:45:55 <spevack> RodrigoPadula: I was thinking that I should start helping to figure out the travel sponsorship part of FUDCon LATAM. 18:46:04 <RodrigoPadula> and I will send to FAMSCO all updates 18:46:04 <spevack> do you agree? 18:46:14 <RodrigoPadula> spevack, yes 18:46:29 <spevack> RodrigoPadula: ok, i will do that 18:46:30 <RodrigoPadula> We are talking with all latam guys that are interested to go to Chile 18:46:49 <RodrigoPadula> and asking locally what themes are more important to increase the local contributions to fedora 18:47:43 <RodrigoPadula> by now, only Dennis and Toshio are in the "Interested People to attend" List from USA 18:48:02 <RodrigoPadula> the rest of the list are guys from Latam 18:48:12 <ke4qqq> there are certailny more people interested in the US - but it's a bad balancing act 18:48:15 <spevack> RodrigoPadula: and pretty much everyone on the list needs sponsorship to attend 18:48:24 <RodrigoPadula> so, spevack , we have to talk with these interested people and study all possibilities 18:48:37 <RodrigoPadula> spevack, Yes, I'm worried about that 18:48:52 <tatica> I think you should get people that encourage other people RodrigoPadula 18:48:53 <RodrigoPadula> but, in chile we have a great number of ambassadors that can help 18:48:58 <RodrigoPadula> and do lectures 18:49:09 <tatica> I just add my name because "someone order me to" 18:49:23 <tatica> but people must not go to give a talk and then sit in a place in his/her pc 18:49:29 <kital> RodrigoPadula: maybe you should consider regular planing meetings like we have in india and also in emea 18:49:30 <tatica> people that can motivate other people 18:49:32 <spevack> RodrigoPadula: well, I am less worried about money, because it seems like we have no costs to use the venue, which means that most of the budget can be spent on helping community members to get there. 18:49:39 <tatica> that's the people you MUST take there 18:49:50 <spevack> RodrigoPadula: but we need a budget page for each FUDCon that shows what money we expect to be spending. 18:50:06 <tatica> eof 18:50:38 <rodrigo_padula> ops 18:50:40 <rodrigo_padula> We have and had a lot of meetings 18:50:42 <rodrigo_padula> by phone and IRC 18:51:06 <rodrigo_padula> and I'm talking directly to asalles ( local red hat employee and fedora leader) 18:51:16 <kital> rodrigo_padula ok 18:51:17 * ke4qqq hasn't seen any recent latam fudcon meetings announced on fudcon-planning list 18:51:37 * tatica can't attend to latam meetings cause all are at night 18:51:39 <tatica> :\ 18:51:40 <rodrigo_padula> kital, by now we are doing only local metings 18:51:42 <rodrigo_padula> in spanish 18:52:05 <rodrigo_padula> I think great part of the fudcon-planning-list dont speack spanish 18:52:18 <rodrigo_padula> so, we are planning with a local focus 18:52:28 <tatica> that's not a problem rodrigo_padula .... spevack understand spanish 18:52:31 <kital> rodrigo_padula: if you want global attention you should at least announce it on the planning list 18:52:33 <ke4qqq> still a responsibility to keep things open and transparent 18:52:35 <tatica> but the last meetings had not a log 18:52:40 <rodrigo_padula> all meetings are announced in the latam list 18:52:47 <tatica> 3 days before.... 18:52:57 <tatica> please... at least use a week to advice 18:53:02 <kital> global attention is not the latam list ;) 18:53:04 <rodrigo_padula> yes, because the meeting was cancelled 18:53:14 <rodrigo_padula> based on the number of people there 18:53:33 <tatica> that doesn't matter 18:53:42 <tatica> if is only you with asalles... that's a meeting 18:53:53 <tatica> and we... the people that can't attent want to know 18:53:57 <rodrigo_padula> tatica, you are in that list too 18:54:06 <tatica> yes... but you are not reading what I just said 18:54:08 <rodrigo_padula> so tatica you can write emails and help to spread the idea 18:54:18 * ke4qqq notes that fudcon india (where english isn't the predominant language) and fudcon emea (where english isn't the predominant) language are both using fudcon-planning list to at least announce what's going on - what's latam reason for not doing the same? 18:54:27 <tatica> there is no idea to spread if there is not a group to include 18:54:31 <susmit> rodrigo_padula, where do latam usually holds these meetings? #fedora-meeting-1? 18:54:41 <susmit> oops :) 18:54:42 <tatica> noup 18:54:44 <rodrigo_padula> fudcon-planning 18:54:47 <tatica> latam almost always use the list 18:54:52 <susmit> ok.. 18:55:02 <tatica> irc meetings are almost always a failure because the time and internet conections 18:55:09 <tatica> I really did a hard try 18:55:11 <rodrigo_padula> as you can read here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Santiago_2010_planning 18:55:14 <tatica> but like nobody help me... 18:55:23 * tatica lost another battle 18:55:34 <rodrigo_padula> the great problem in latam is 18:55:52 <rodrigo_padula> we schedule many meetings based on the best time proposed by the local members 18:55:57 <tatica> here we go... 18:56:00 <rodrigo_padula> but nobody is attending 18:56:13 * tatica keeps reading flisol mail list 18:56:13 <rodrigo_padula> we received a lot of emails with confirmations 18:56:14 <rodrigo_padula> but.... 18:56:46 <ke4qqq> who is the local owner for fudcon latam? 18:56:53 <rodrigo_padula> Me and asalles 18:57:16 <rodrigo_padula> but the idea is to keep all ambassadors from Chile envolved 18:57:33 <ke4qqq> ok - it strikes me that you and asalles have the responsibility to make sure that this stays very transparent - and very public 18:57:47 <rodrigo_padula> ke4qqq, 18:57:57 <rodrigo_padula> sure, all informations are published on the wiki pages 18:58:12 <rodrigo_padula> so, all people interested can read there 18:58:22 <rodrigo_padula> including the meeting schedule and logs 18:58:43 <rodrigo_padula> and all meetings are in the #fudcon-planning IRC channell 18:58:46 * ke4qqq only sees two meeting logs there 18:58:51 <ke4qqq> why not announce them on the list? 18:58:51 <rodrigo_padula> Is that transparent enought ? 18:58:53 <susmit> rodrigo_padula, don't mind, but how do I fond out the wiki page/meeting log if you don't send the links somewhere? 18:59:00 <kital> fudcon-planning mailing list would be the right place imho 18:59:00 <susmit> s/fond/find 18:59:03 <ke4qqq> along with status of what's going on? 18:59:24 <lfoppiano> +1 18:59:25 <tatica> fudcon-planning mail list can be used in spanish too? 18:59:36 <ke4qqq> rodrigo_padula: it' forces people to come to you rather than you pushing content to them. IMO 18:59:40 <tatica> if not... I don't think is a good idea to plan a latam event in another language 18:59:52 <rodrigo_padula> tatica, +1 18:59:56 <rodrigo_padula> that is the question 19:00:09 <rodrigo_padula> and thinking in this way, we are using the latam list 19:00:24 <tatica> maybe a weekly report at fudcon-mailist is enough 19:00:27 <kital> tatica: at least the meeting times and important links and updates should be posted to the list so you get the attention such a event need 19:00:33 <lfoppiano> you can write on that mailing list also in 2 languages 19:00:34 <ke4qqq> spevack: am I off-base here? 19:00:37 <tatica> yeap... I'm pro that 19:00:43 <spevack> ke4qqq: not at all 19:00:49 <tatica> but the plan of this event must be in our local language 19:00:54 <susmit> well, that is not really a problem..you can send the links and updates to fudcon planning list in english. 19:00:54 <spevack> Personally, I would be fine to see stuff in spanish on fudcon-planning 19:00:55 <tatica> that's all I'm saying 19:01:00 <tatica> great 19:01:08 <lfoppiano> I think is not a problem 19:01:12 <tatica> +1 then 19:01:13 <spevack> I don't care what language it is in. People can run it through a translator, and people can understand a lot just by looking at wiki pages. 19:01:19 <spevack> A budget page is a budget page, in any language. :) 19:01:20 <susmit> exactly 19:01:26 <tatica> but PLEASE rodrigo_padula .... take at least a week to advice the meetings 19:01:28 <tatica> that's why nobody attend 19:01:30 <lfoppiano> at least people know something is going on 19:01:38 <tatica> a meeting can't be planned one day to the other 19:01:50 <ke4qqq> I don't think I am asking for you to plan in english - I just want you to show the world what you are doing rather than isolating everyone in a latam mailing list. I think what's going on in LATAM is important and hopefully exciting. 19:01:51 <rodrigo_padula> tatica, all meetings was scheduled with more than 1 week 19:01:56 <tatica> yeah, right 19:02:00 <rodrigo_padula> on the wiki page 19:02:24 <rodrigo_padula> I'm only sending reminds 2 or 3 days after 19:02:28 <tatica> ke4qqq, yup... a spanish plan and an english report every X time 19:02:33 <tatica> rodrigo_padula, WHAT! 19:02:41 <tatica> then send the reminders 1 week after 19:02:44 <tatica> before 19:02:44 <kital> rodrigo_padula: most people - including me ;) - need reminder ;) 19:02:45 <tatica> sorry 19:02:53 <tatica> everyone needs a reminder 19:03:00 <tatica> or a google calendar shared 19:03:01 <tatica> something 19:03:11 <rodrigo_padula> and some phone calls too 19:03:12 <tatica> but what I'm saying is that 2 days aren't enough 19:03:19 <rodrigo_padula> asalles is doing it frequently 19:03:20 <tatica> is a request... an ask 19:03:25 <tatica> bah 19:03:27 <rodrigo_padula> We schedule a meeting 19:03:27 * tatica bbl 19:03:29 <lfoppiano> a mail is better than Google stuffs 19:03:41 <rodrigo_padula> and sending mails but it'snt good enought 19:04:00 <rodrigo_padula> and in the meeting day asalles is calling the ambassadors from Chile to join 19:04:26 <rodrigo_padula> by now, the most important is to join all informations from Chile 19:04:30 <rodrigo_padula> to put in the wiki 19:04:36 <rodrigo_padula> so, it is a local job 19:05:07 <rodrigo_padula> from this week to the next months, we will work in the next steps with max 19:05:24 <rodrigo_padula> eof 19:05:29 <kital> thanks rodrigo_padula 19:05:51 <kital> tatica: you have another topic 19:06:00 <kital> mentor proposal? 19:06:03 <tatica> yes 19:06:22 <kital> go on 19:06:26 <susmit> I can guess who :) 19:06:34 <kital> neville? 19:06:35 <tatica> Neville Cross - yn1v 19:06:35 <tatica> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v 19:06:42 <Southern_Gentlem> +1 19:06:45 <tatica> I think that is more than obvious that he is the one 19:07:03 <tatica> I was waiting until most of you could have the chance to meet him personally 19:07:07 <rodrigo_padula> +1 19:07:11 <susmit> tatica, have to talked to him about this? 19:07:21 <tatica> that's why I say no to the mktg invitation and give him the chance to attend 19:07:24 <kital> is he willing to work as a mentor 19:07:33 <tatica> yeap, but he still doesn't bealive I was actually gonna do it 19:07:34 <tatica> :) 19:07:41 <tatica> he is a mentor 19:07:48 <tatica> he just need the formal part 19:08:10 <tatica> for me.. he has been a great help 19:08:18 <kital> ok i think we all know neville and can vote on him here and now 19:08:19 <rodrigo_padula> +1 19:08:22 <tatica> even if some think that "be all day at irc" is a waist of time 19:08:24 <kital> +1 from me 19:08:31 <ke4qqq> +1 from me 19:08:32 <rodrigo_padula> Neville is helping us a lot in the central america 19:08:34 <tatica> this is how we make people happy and we teach to those who are away 19:08:38 <tatica> rodrigo_padula, no 19:08:38 <rodrigo_padula> +1 from me 19:08:40 <lfoppiano> 0 don't know him 19:08:46 <tatica> Neville is doing everything in central america 19:08:55 <tatica> things must be say as they are 19:09:09 <rodrigo_padula> tatica, and it isnt a help for us ? 19:09:20 <tatica> every ambassador new that cames from central america I send first to neville 19:09:24 <tatica> and we both evaluate 19:09:35 <tatica> so like I said, for me.. he is already a mentor 19:09:39 <tatica> votes? 19:09:49 <spevack> Neville is superb. 19:10:01 <kital> spevack: i take this as a +1 19:10:02 <spevack> It was great to meet him at the Marketing FAD. 19:10:02 <ke4qqq> Neville is very squared away, IMO. 19:10:03 <susmit> I know him for a long time, and he handles the freemedia membership service singly. :) 19:10:07 <spevack> yes +1 19:10:08 <susmit> +1 of course 19:10:12 <rodrigo_padula> +1 19:10:14 <ke4qqq> +1 19:10:32 <tatica> +1 (obvious) 19:10:37 <kital> ok i count 6 + and one 0 19:11:00 <spevack> we love Neville! 19:11:05 <tatica> lol,I already talk to him 19:11:05 <kital> ok ;) 19:11:08 <rodrigo_padula> auhauhaa 19:11:12 <kital> perfect 19:11:13 <tatica> emm.... please don't translate that into spanish 19:11:17 <tatica> is too literal 19:11:18 <tatica> lol 19:11:22 <spevack> heh 19:11:27 <rodrigo_padula> ! 19:11:30 <kital> rodrigo_padula: 19:11:44 <rodrigo_padula> talking about the mentoring program 19:11:57 <rodrigo_padula> I've recommended Igor as a new mentor 19:12:14 <rodrigo_padula> but based on the Igor's IRC and MailList it was denied 19:12:31 <rodrigo_padula> I'm worried about that, because Igor is a very active member 19:13:01 <spevack> Most of the time, I don't feel qualified to vote +1 or not on mentors. Unless it's someone I know like Neville. I say to myself "if the folks in that region believe in the person, that is good enough for me" 19:13:05 <rodrigo_padula> and as I told in the FAMSCO lists, he is guinding and recommending new contributors since 2006 at pt_BR localizacion project 19:13:13 <susmit> Have not we gone through this in the mailing list? 19:13:22 <rodrigo_padula> Yes 19:13:53 <rodrigo_padula> So, I would like to recommend FAMSCO to interview or find another way to recommend or invite someone from Brazil to join the mentoring program 19:14:06 <tatica> that's not your job? 19:14:11 <rodrigo_padula> nops 19:14:17 <rodrigo_padula> that's not my job 19:14:18 <tatica> oh 19:14:25 <spevack> So wait a minute 19:14:40 <spevack> Igor was voted "no" on being made a mentor by famsco? 19:14:53 <rodrigo_padula> yes 19:15:24 <rodrigo_padula> now, I dont have more time to spend during the week with long time IRC chats and phone calls and emails to guide all new contributors from Brasil 19:15:34 <spevack> right 19:15:40 <rodrigo_padula> in Brasil I have a lot of people to guide 19:15:50 <kital> spevack: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2010-March/000102.html and following 19:16:05 <susmit> nope..he was not voted 'no' in a meeting. We expressed our reservations in the mailing list. 19:16:05 <rodrigo_padula> I think we are the 3. country in fedora ambassadors 19:16:16 <rodrigo_padula> so, I need help with this issue 19:16:25 <tatica> 0o 19:16:39 <tatica> <rodrigo_padula> I think we are the 3. country in fedora ambassadors <= may I ask what is this supposed to mean? 19:17:07 <rodrigo_padula> mean that we have a great number of local contributors to guide 19:17:18 <rodrigo_padula> and I dont have time to guide all local ambassadors 19:17:28 <rodrigo_padula> and interview and tallk with all new people 19:17:45 <rodrigo_padula> by irc... mail lists... 19:17:54 <susmit> but now you have yn1v 19:18:03 <tatica> :) 19:18:05 <rodrigo_padula> the big problem is 19:18:09 <tatica> and neville talk portuguese 19:18:16 <rodrigo_padula> in Brazil we talk portuguese 19:18:18 <tatica> talk/speak 19:18:25 <rodrigo_padula> and we need a local member to help 19:18:35 <rodrigo_padula> a people that know the local community and members 19:18:45 <rodrigo_padula> ambassadors from others contries will not help 19:18:47 <tatica> in fact... he help me when I was there and teach me lol 19:19:18 <rodrigo_padula> IMHO we need a local ambassador to be a mentor 19:19:28 * ke4qqq wants to run his mouth - perhaps out of turn here a bit - one of the problems (and it's not only in LATAM) 19:19:40 <kital> rodrigo_padula: from my previous email regarding igor "What do you think if we encourage him to provide more visibility in 19:19:43 <kital> Ambassadors first and let him also mentor some of your mentees first, before we 19:19:47 <kital> add him as a official sponsor?" 19:19:51 <ke4qqq> is that people tend to not talk about the work they are doing outside of their environment. 19:19:54 <rodrigo_padula> as I told 19:20:10 <rodrigo_padula> Igor isnt in our maillists and IRC because he is envolved in other projects 19:20:30 <rodrigo_padula> with that new position, Igor will be more active here 19:20:34 <ke4qqq> we don't shout from the rooftops that we are doing awesome things in brazil or anywhere else - unless it's happening on a latam mailing list. That makes it awfully hard for people to judge 19:20:38 <ke4qqq> imo 19:20:40 <tatica> I have a question 19:20:55 <tatica> how many projects does Igor runs? 19:21:04 <ke4qqq> who is not helping rodrigo?? 15:18 < rodrigo_padula> ambassadors from others contries will not help 19:21:04 <tatica> will he have time to attend people? or will be the same that is happening with you rodrigo_padula ? 19:21:12 <spevack> There's a difference between saying "if we make someone a $FOO then they will be involved more" and "this person is really involved. Look at all these messages, even if they are in a language you can't read. Let's make him a $FOO" 19:21:18 <tatica> omfg... I didn't read that 19:21:19 <rodrigo_padula> I invited Igor personally to be a mentor 19:21:23 <tatica> now I feel offended 19:21:32 <susmit> spevack, +1 19:21:39 <rodrigo_padula> and I told to him all details about that new responsability 19:21:44 <tatica> bbl 19:21:55 <rodrigo_padula> He is interested to help and to be a mentor 19:22:08 <rodrigo_padula> He is helping me to guide new contributors since 2006 here 19:22:17 <rodrigo_padula> so, he is very appt to get that role 19:22:41 <rodrigo_padula> spevack, Igor is really envolved 19:23:10 <spevack> tatica: what offended you? 19:23:12 <spevack> WTF 19:23:14 <rodrigo_padula> he was the leader of the pt_BR localization project since I leave this position 19:23:44 <tatica> 15:18 < rodrigo_padula> ambassadors from others contries will not help <== this spevack 19:23:48 <tatica> and I don't want to talk more 19:24:04 <spevack> So, here's my last question on this topic. 19:24:10 <spevack> And I guess I can just go look at the archives. 19:24:31 <spevack> Was Igor voted -1 because folks didn't think he'd been doing stuff, or because folks *couldn't see* what he had done? 19:24:38 <spevack> There's a big difference, if that makes any sense. 19:24:39 <rodrigo_padula> FAMSCO, I dont know why... but I cant talk one word here without a tatica fight/feal offended 19:24:55 * spevack thinks it's probably time to end this meeting. 19:25:21 <ke4qqq> +1 to ending this meeting 19:25:22 <rodrigo_padula> I would like to vote about the Igor recommendation as a mentor 19:25:28 <kital> i think it is already clarified by me here http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2010-March/000103.html 19:25:38 <susmit> kital, let's have a vote. 19:25:45 <tatica> +1 to ending this meeting 19:25:47 <rodrigo_padula> +1 from me 19:25:50 <susmit> that should settle it. 19:26:17 <kital> ok please vote on igor as a mentor regarding the ambassador approval process 19:26:46 <kital> -1 from me - until he is more active in ambassadors 19:26:49 <rodrigo_padula> +1 from me 19:26:51 <susmit> -1 from me 19:26:54 * spevack can't vote until he reads more on the list. 19:26:56 <spevack> 0 for now 19:26:58 <lfoppiano> 0 too confusion 19:27:21 <susmit> ke4qqq, tatica ? 19:27:34 * ke4qqq 0 for now - haven't seen his activity - which as I noted earlier is problematic across the project. 19:27:34 <tatica> 0 19:28:09 <lfoppiano> anyway if nothing changed since last time we talk, why we have to vote now? 19:28:12 <rodrigo_padula> Ok 19:28:37 <rodrigo_padula> tatica wins, flawless victory :) 19:28:44 <kital> so it is 1x+/2x-/4x0 19:28:52 <spevack> rodrigo_padula: most of us are saying "we're not ready to vote" not "we vote no" 19:28:54 <tatica> what? 19:29:05 <tatica> rodrigo_padula, wtf is your problem? 19:29:07 <spevack> rodrigo_padula: ultimately we want to all vote YES, we just need to see more, or look more closely first. 19:29:18 <spevack> tatica and rodrigo_padula -- let's just end this discussion :) 19:29:20 <rodrigo_padula> sure 19:29:35 <rodrigo_padula> I will talk to Igor to schedule a meetin withe all of you 19:29:39 <lfoppiano> rodrigo_padula what changed since last time? 19:29:41 <rodrigo_padula> will be better to decide 19:30:02 <lfoppiano> did his visibility changed? 19:30:31 <rodrigo_padula> lfoppiano, we cant think only in the visibility 19:30:42 <rodrigo_padula> we have to think in the capacity to help and to be a mentor 19:30:50 <lfoppiano> it was one of the points 19:31:01 <rodrigo_padula> the question here is 19:31:14 * inode0 is mostly thinking he wouldn't want to read this sort of stuff about himself in the meeting logs 19:31:15 <rodrigo_padula> I know Igor really well, but FAMSCO not 19:31:32 <spevack> inode0: that's for sure. 19:31:41 <rodrigo_padula> so, the best way is to schedule a meeting with Igor or invite him to join us in the next meeting 19:32:04 <kital> rodrigo_padula: no this is not the way i think it will work 19:32:15 <kital> i made my points 19:32:22 <lfoppiano> last time we discussed. people rise points, ask questions find what had to be improved... 19:32:33 <lfoppiano> what is changed sunset l 19:32:43 <spevack> inode0: I don't think anyone is being critical. More of a "visibility" issue, IMHO. 19:32:45 <lfoppiano> since last time? 19:32:49 <rodrigo_padula> the idea is to invite Igor and FAMSCO can talk to him what he need to do to be a mentor 19:33:37 <lfoppiano> writing from a touch screen ma 19:34:09 <lfoppiano> is frustrating.... :( 19:34:33 <kital> rodrigo_padula: i have already wrote it in the discussion we had already and i do not agree with an inquiry on igor 19:34:44 * ke4qqq notes we are 34 minutes over schedule - and requests that we adjourn now. 19:34:52 <kital> i belive you that he is doing great think within his expertise 19:35:00 <lfoppiano> +1 19:35:09 <rodrigo_padula> ok, so we can abort my recomendation and look forward 19:35:45 <kital> s/great think/great things/ 19:36:09 <kital> i think we should give others the chance to catch up on this topic via the mailing list 19:36:40 <kital> ke4qqq: +1 19:36:51 <kital> thanks all for joining the meeting 19:37:00 <lfoppiano> bb 19:37:05 <kital> #endmeeting