20:01:16 <mchua> #startmeeting
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20:01:25 * ke4zvu3 is here
20:01:47 <rbergeron> indeed
20:01:56 <mchua> Woo!
20:02:01 <mchua> #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&keywords=%7Emeeting&order=priority
20:02:25 * mchua is pretty dead today, so I'm going to be leaning heavily on others to drive discussion.
20:02:40 <mchua> Shall we start with the easyfix and get that out of the way?  :)
20:02:48 <rbergeron> sure
20:02:53 * rbergeron is here
20:02:54 <mchua> #topic Categorize and possibly rename virt articles
20:03:00 * yn1v is here
20:03:04 <mchua> #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/110
20:03:27 * AamirBhutto is here too
20:04:24 * stickster comes in late
20:04:37 <mchua> Hullo, stickster!
20:04:50 <stickster> Hi mchua
20:04:50 <mchua> "The current list of articles is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Magazine_articles_on_virtualization -- they probably could use renaming so they're more easily searchable. Also their File: pages should be categorized in the "Virtualization" category."
20:05:00 <AamirBhutto> Better late then never :P
20:05:06 <rbergeron> anyone interested?
20:05:15 <mchua> AamirBhutto: Hey! Long time no see!
20:05:18 <rbergeron> maybe someone would be interested in writing a blog post call to action :)
20:05:34 <stickster> rbergeron: In the time it took to do that, I think someone new could probably make a big dent in the task
20:05:56 <AamirBhutto> mchua! yeah been busy..
20:06:01 <stickster> Do we have any of the new folks around today from Allegheny who might be interested in a non-technical task like this?
20:06:31 * stickster senses... maybe not :-)
20:06:36 <AamirBhutto> Ummm
20:06:48 <AamirBhutto> stickster sure i can blog but my blog has been removed :P
20:07:11 <stickster> AamirBhutto: Perhaps you'd be interested in doing the improvements?
20:07:11 <mchua> stickster: They all already have projects for the most part, but it's worth pointing out on list, I think.
20:07:25 <stickster> mchua: Well, no problem -- that's *fantastic* to hear, actually!
20:07:43 <AamirBhutto> stickster ok
20:07:49 <stickster> AamirBhutto: Great!
20:08:17 <rbergeron> stickster: that is entirely true, but sometimes if we can pick up someone new they might stick around in marketing for a while and do other things too :)
20:08:30 <stickster> Right on!
20:08:47 <stickster> rbergeron: A CTA that includes some of the "non claimed" items would be most helpful
20:09:21 * stickster has been impressed by Marketing output this cycle... There may be some opportunities for other cross-team collaboration after F13 is released too.
20:09:55 * rbergeron nods
20:10:07 <rbergeron> brand book / story is on that cross-team list :)
20:10:44 <mchua> Oh! I almost forgot.
20:10:52 <mchua> #action mchua confirm Classroom sessions with Kara/Zonker/Sean
20:10:57 <mchua> Just to keep that on my radar.
20:11:12 * rbergeron nods
20:11:21 <mchua> #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-marketing-tasks.html
20:11:31 <mchua> Staying on top of release deliverables - how do we feel like we're doing?
20:11:56 <mchua> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Release_deliverables
20:13:47 <rbergeron> my stuff is coming along - questions are out, etc. btw, i picked up another interview for doing SSSD stuff, since the maintainer wants marketing - we ought to give him some :)
20:14:06 <mchua> Oh, yes!
20:14:21 <mchua> Python marketing is going well - the feature profile is going to be run by Python hackers in town for GNOME stuff this week.
20:14:50 <stickster> mchua: rbergeron: I owe the list a schedule for turning those feature profiles into PR
20:15:14 * stickster notes he will take the first slot, to give everyone else more time
20:15:24 <stickster> Plus my feature profile is done
20:15:29 * mchua still spending a lot of time scaffolding Allegheny students
20:15:38 * rbergeron nods
20:15:46 <stickster> Or rather, the interview is done -- I may need to build some other content around it, but it's basically good to go.
20:16:08 <mchua> My interview is done, will be edited tonight - it would be better with some supplementary content, but it's nearly ready to push.
20:16:18 <stickster> That is awesome mchua!
20:16:21 <mchua> We could do multiple pushes for each feature profile if we do interview and then a later "and there's more!"
20:16:41 <stickster> Yes, we could supplement them
20:17:02 <stickster> As for the Red Hat press blog, if we want to leverage it, we probably get one shot within the release cycle though
20:17:07 * rbergeron nods
20:17:10 <stickster> But that's only one way for us to draw eyeballs
20:17:21 <nmarques> stickster, I've sent my intervew to Dan today :(
20:17:35 <nmarques> stickster, should be done within the next days
20:18:07 <stickster> nmarques: OK, I think that will work out fine -- you'll have at least a couple weeks to get everything done
20:18:16 <stickster> We can build yours in later in the schedule
20:18:37 <mchua> There's an Allegheny student working on the btrfs feature profile, and that's likely to work before the start of May if it gets finished, since their semester ends the first week of May.
20:18:46 <mchua> What other deliverables do we have coming up?
20:18:49 <rbergeron> I think my SSSD one will be done sooner than HW enablements
20:18:52 <rbergeron> one-page release notes
20:18:55 <mchua> One page release notes sprint is Thursday morning.
20:19:00 <stickster> It sounds like our completion is falling into place -- basically stickster, mchua & rbergeron in some order, then nmarques + Allegheny student in some order
20:19:00 <rbergeron> oh
20:19:02 * rbergeron missed that mail
20:19:08 <mchua> The team is still trying to figure out what the deliverable is (one-page).
20:19:18 <rbergeron> do we have an SOP on it?
20:19:20 * rbergeron can't remember
20:19:25 <mchua> rbergeron: That means they haven't sent it yet. I will poke again.
20:19:31 <rbergeron> ah
20:19:38 <mchua> #action mchua poke Allegheny students on one-page sprint scheduling
20:19:40 <rbergeron> well, i saw their notes on one-page release notes that got sent this morning
20:19:50 <rbergeron> i can't remember if there was a sprinting message in there
20:19:58 * rbergeron is very scattered in the head as of late :)
20:20:00 <stickster> They can take a look at the F12 version -- for the most part we want to build on the way we made that.
20:20:14 <stickster> We don't need to reinvent the wheel for the F13 version, just have new photos and content if possible.
20:20:33 * stickster makes note to drive photo release convo to a conclusion.
20:20:46 <mchua> Yep. That's what we were telling them in the marketing channel this morning - I think it's just taking some time to get the context, wrap their heads around it.
20:21:21 <rbergeron> oh, yes, photos
20:21:58 <nmarques> are there some more Profile Features in queue ?
20:22:12 <nmarques> because i can easilly double what I've done for NetworkManager
20:23:15 <mchua> I think we've got enough for a minimal set, but I don't think anyone will object to having more. :)
20:23:29 <stickster> mchua: I have the feeling, based on previous releases, that we're starting to get to the point where we're running out of time to actually put the content out -- in other words, our pipeline is getting full
20:23:34 <stickster> But
20:23:47 <stickster> That's only for what we want out *before* final release
20:24:00 * mchua nods.
20:24:03 <stickster> So definitely we can be thinking about some additional feature work to do *after* the release
20:24:23 <mchua> stickster: We want to keep the momentum going after GA day?
20:24:24 <stickster> I think the plan should be to have 4-5 feature profiles coming out in advance of the release
20:24:42 <nmarques> stickster, one stupid question, GNOME is going to be 2.30 right ?
20:24:52 <nmarques> stickster, 1 Feature Profile for GNOME ?
20:24:54 <stickster> And if we have more than that, then we should wait a couple of weeks for general release PR to die down, and then we could roll out additioal feature profiles if we wanted.
20:24:59 <stickster> GNOME is 2.30.
20:25:32 <rbergeron> stickster: we could continue doing feature profiles all the way until F14 feature profiles are needed, as far as I'm concerned - ongoing content should be a priority.
20:25:39 <rbergeron> We shouldn't be having gaps, IMO
20:26:00 <rbergeron> between doing feature profiles and possibly contributor profiles we should be pumping out content like there is no tomorrow :)
20:26:02 <mchua> #info rrix and I are writing a GNOME Journal article comparing GNOME and KDE
20:26:06 <rbergeron> FI is there - we should be using it!
20:26:08 <rbergeron> err
20:26:11 <mchua> some of that may be reusable for GNOME 2.30 features
20:26:12 <rbergeron> will be there - we will be using it :)
20:26:38 * rrix nods
20:26:53 * stickster has no problem with that, as long as (1) someone is in charge of that planning and execution, (2) we have somewhere to publish, and (3) we keep in mind projects we want to undertake during the cycle beyond that (and workload, contributor-power, etc.)
20:27:17 * stickster keeps thinking we don't have much zodbot use going on in this meeting right now
20:27:38 <stickster> Minutes are more effective if we have more of that
20:27:58 * AamirBhutto nods
20:28:27 <stickster> #idea rbergeron states, we could and should consider doing feature profiles far beyond F13 release until we start ramping up for F14
20:28:35 * rbergeron agrees - i think most of that stuff is kind of still in planning stages for F14
20:29:02 * rbergeron has been working on the mktg plan and brainstorming list and matching them up and prioritizing btw.. hopefully that will actually get done soon
20:29:05 <rbergeron> right after my taxes
20:29:06 <rbergeron> *moan*
20:29:09 * stickster has to fade into background for a few minutes -- I have an internal deliverable due that I need to get done in the next 30 min
20:29:17 * rbergeron waves to stickster
20:29:18 * stickster &
20:30:10 <rbergeron> mchua: still here?
20:30:12 * mchua here.
20:30:24 * rbergeron too... vaguely
20:30:29 <mchua> I think we've got a pretty good handle on doing what we need to do, and it sounds like we'll get a few bonus feature profiles thrown in on top of that, perhaps.
20:30:53 <mchua> The Allegheny students, when the term is over, will probably have a lot of input as to how we can make the making-of-things easier, for which i'm eager to read.
20:31:08 <mchua> I think that, rbergeron, the time you're spending thinking about F14 awesomeness is well spent. :)
20:31:32 * mchua is just trying to get us through F13 right now, so please lean heavily on me for that, and I'm punting future questions in rbergeron's direction. :)
20:31:37 * wonderer arriving
20:31:41 * rbergeron nods
20:31:41 * mchua has nothing else for today, tbh.
20:31:43 <wonderer> sorry, I'm late :-(
20:31:45 <rbergeron> me either.
20:31:47 <mchua> Anyone else had something they wanted to bring up?
20:31:50 <mchua> Hey, wonderer!
20:32:03 <rbergeron> #info rbergeron is working on the bid for FUDCon Tempe ;D
20:32:21 <wonderer> hmm, nothing more from me at this point.
20:33:39 <rbergeron> okay
20:33:46 * rbergeron notes that we're fresh out of stuff.
20:34:29 * ke4zvu3 wonders if we're ready for endmeeting
20:34:48 * rbergeron thinks so - mchua, would you like to do the honors?
20:35:01 <rbergeron> since you're the chair :)
20:35:18 <yn1v> i have a question
20:35:18 <wonderer> +1 :-)
20:35:21 <rbergeron> oh
20:35:23 <rbergeron> ask away :)
20:35:26 <mchua> yn1v: question, and then we'll wrap up :)
20:35:54 <yn1v> I worked on a draft for ambassadors to know what resources are avaliable
20:36:09 <yn1v> Should I release that ?
20:37:10 <mchua> yn1v: yes please!
20:37:20 <yn1v> okey :)
20:37:35 <rbergeron> oh, indeed
20:37:50 <rbergeron> i +1'd it on the list - i don't know if anyone else has had a chance to eyeball it but it looked dandy to me.
20:38:17 <yn1v> because I was appointed to work on the drafts asked for feed back... stickster said ok... but not sure when should send it to ambassadors list
20:38:27 <mchua> yn1v: now :)
20:38:43 <mchua> Thank you for writing that up, yn1v - it looked awesome to me as well.
20:38:49 <yn1v> awesome
20:38:54 <mchua> Whee!
20:38:57 <mchua> Anything else?
20:40:21 <nmarques> clear
20:40:31 <mchua> Yay!
20:40:33 <mchua> All righty then.
20:40:35 <mchua> Thanks everyone!
20:40:37 <mchua> #endmeeting