20:01:24 <mchua> #startmeeting
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20:01:52 <mchua> All righty. I'd like to start with an update on FI, since we have people working on that here, and the date draws nigh
20:01:54 * stickster 
20:02:01 <mchua> and perhaps we can drum up some help over the next few days :)
20:02:03 <rrix> y0
20:02:04 <mchua> #topic FI status update
20:02:22 <mchua> stickster, rbergeron, et al - can you give us an idea of where we stand, what we're trying to hit, what needs to be done that people can help with?
20:02:30 <mchua> rrix: welcome back, dude :)
20:02:36 <stickster> mchua: We have one blocker and a couple critical tickets
20:02:50 <stickster> The blocker is very serious and involves how Administrator permissions are being granted
20:03:02 <stickster> I emailed logistics@ and cc'd itbegins about it
20:03:31 <rrix> where'd I go?
20:03:39 <rbergeron> and i sent it off to drak from zikula as well - hopefully he can send us some help, quickly.
20:03:43 <stickster> The critical problems are almost blockers IMHO.
20:03:58 <stickster> If the site is too unattractive to show, then it doesn't help us to push it out prematurely.
20:04:18 <stickster> A bunch of people have been spending quite a number of hours on trying to fix problems -- I know that I have.
20:05:02 <stickster> I'm less concerned now about the fact that there are problems, than that some of them stem from basic functionality issues.
20:05:14 * mchua nods.
20:05:18 <mchua> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight
20:05:41 <mchua> stickster: is https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&keywords=~Zikula&keywords=~Fedora+Insight&order=priority the correct query to show all the remaining blockers?
20:06:09 <rbergeron> stickster: gwerra noted on irc earlier today that he will be finishing skinning work by the 23rd.
20:06:12 <stickster> mchua: Looks right to me -- everything I filed has the zikula keyword.
20:06:14 <rbergeron> gwerra / hiemanshu.
20:06:37 <stickster> Is gwerra here?
20:07:07 <stickster> OK, maybe not
20:07:19 * rbergeron just poked him to come on down
20:07:23 <rbergeron> not sure if he's still here
20:07:34 <mchua> I think he just left.
20:07:43 <mchua> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&keywords=~Zikula&keywords=~Fedora+Insight&order=priority
20:07:49 <mchua> Missed the #tag last time :)
20:08:04 * gwerra is here
20:08:11 <stickster> We are just a few days out from staging deadlines. I think this is the day we agreed on to make the call for our readiness.
20:08:22 <mchua> Today?
20:08:26 <mchua> gwerra: oh, awesome.
20:08:27 <stickster> mchua: rbergeron: Does that jibe? I may need to look at the Insight meeting
20:08:32 <mchua> stickster: it's on thursdays
20:08:35 <stickster> I don't have a calendar note
20:08:41 <stickster> for that... sorry.
20:08:41 <mchua> according to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight#Meeting_agenda:_2010-04-22
20:08:50 * mchua does not know if this is accurate, though
20:09:09 <stickster> mchua: Let me check the log
20:10:03 <mchua> Ok.
20:10:04 <stickster> Yeah, 4/22 is the right date
20:10:04 <stickster> THanks
20:10:07 <gwerra> stickster: I will be travelling on the 22nd which is a good time to fix the themes and 23rd onwards I am free so I should be done by the 23rd max
20:10:17 <mchua> #info 4/22 is the go/no-go meeting for Fedora Insight
20:10:22 <stickster> gwerra: Unfortunately our blocker issue isn't theme related
20:10:24 <mchua> #info check out the tickets queue above to see open blockers
20:10:32 <gwerra> stickster: what are they?
20:10:39 <mchua> #info Insight go/no-go meeting IRC Freenode #fedora-mktg on Thursdays at 2pm US Eastern time.
20:10:40 <stickster> gwerra: See link above
20:10:56 <mchua> gwerra: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&keywords=%7EZikula&keywords=%7EFedora+Insight&order=priority
20:11:03 * rbergeron nods
20:11:07 * stickster too slow, cowpoke!
20:11:13 <mchua> Ok. Anything else on Insight that we need to know?
20:11:27 <gwerra> mchua: 22 2pm I wont be online :(
20:11:30 <rbergeron> if anyone sees drak, itbegins, or anyone else from FI on -
20:11:31 <stickster> mchua: Not for now, I think everything else is best left to logistics@ and group working on Insight
20:11:43 <mchua> (Thank you, everyone, on the persistent and dedicated work so far - I think we are all learning a *tremendous* amount from this experience)
20:11:47 <mchua> I know I am.
20:12:01 <gwerra> mchua: I wont make it on the 22nd
20:12:03 <rbergeron> please direct them to the FI page, if they dont have it - and try to ping myself, stickster, ke4qqq, gwerra, or anyone else who can direct them to the exact problem
20:12:06 <gwerra> can we up it to 23rd?
20:12:09 <mchua> gwerra: that's ok, there will be logs :)
20:12:33 * gwerra thought he had to be at the meeting, /me goes back into the corner
20:12:36 <gwerra> rbergeron: sure
20:12:48 <mchua> #info further discussion on Fedora Insight to be moved to the logistics@ list
20:13:00 <stickster> gwerra: We can check your status from the tickets if you update there -- thanks for being passionate about it, it means a lot to us!
20:13:02 <gwerra> stickster: I think forms was done?
20:13:19 <gwerra> .ticket 2006
20:13:21 <stickster> gwerra: Let's take further discussion about Insight out of this meeting, which is the Marketing meeting
20:13:21 <zodbot> gwerra: #2006 (Create forms in Zikula on staging for Fedora Insight content workflow) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2006
20:13:27 <gwerra> okie
20:13:30 <stickster> gwerra: We can talk in #fedora-mktg if you like :-)
20:13:34 <stickster> Go ahead mchua
20:14:36 <mchua> Ok!
20:14:52 <mchua> Deliverables update - any other topics aside from that, speak up, if not, that's the last thing for today.
20:15:08 <mchua> We will be doing a "how did this go?" feedback session with Allegheny students *after* the semester (and release cycle) ends
20:15:12 <mchua> past May 20th
20:15:21 <mchua> er, Allegheny profs, and any students still around then, rather :)
20:15:26 <mchua> just so people know
20:15:47 <mchua> #info we will have a "how did this go?" feedback session with Allegheny folks after the release/semester ends, just fyi
20:15:51 <mchua> #topic Deliverables update
20:16:14 <stickster> mchua: Feature profiles
20:16:19 <mchua> stickster: Yep
20:16:29 <stickster> mchua: I've updated the marketing ticket to reflect info on the schedule for profiles to hit the airwaves
20:16:41 <mchua> Feature profiles and one-page release notes (with screenshots) are our big remaining ones.
20:16:59 * rbergeron is still going on her FP - have stuff back, cobbling currently.
20:17:00 <mchua> The rest are smaller things like release announcement and briefing ambassadors (basically sending them links to our deliverables for this release)
20:17:02 * mchua nods
20:17:05 <stickster> The video for Python in F13 is nearing completion, to be followed shortly by the desktop hardware enablement stuff
20:17:24 <stickster> s/stuff/video/
20:17:25 <mchua> Nice. The Python in F13 interview is done and cleaned up, and annotated for clarity (thanks, Allegheny team)
20:17:27 <rrix> woops, I disappeared, I'm back
20:17:27 <rbergeron> mchua: can we figure out the one-page release notes steps? How "done" will the allegheny students be getting?
20:17:46 <mchua> so when the video is ready to ship, the interview can go; I'm hoping to get tutorial screencasts made but we can ship without them.
20:17:58 <mchua> hang on, let's finish feature profiles first
20:18:01 <mchua> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_feature_profiles
20:18:37 * mchua trying to find that trac ticket
20:18:55 <mchua> #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/91
20:19:05 <mchua> #info Python is slated for 4/27, and Hardware enablements for users on 5/4.
20:19:17 * rbergeron nods - that should be fine
20:19:53 <mchua> #info remaining profiles - boot.fp.o, btrfs (interview done today, yay Allegheny!), networkmanager (pretty much done, it looks like), SSSD, rpm 4.8
20:19:57 <mchua> we have... a *lot*
20:19:58 <mchua> this time
20:20:00 <mchua> which is awesome
20:20:16 <stickster> boot.fp.o is done, but I would prefer to hold it for a post-release update.
20:20:23 * mchua nods
20:20:25 <stickster> er, s/update/issuance/
20:20:28 <rbergeron> nwmanager i think is definitely done -
20:20:30 <rbergeron> http://press.redhat.com/2010/04/20/fedora-13-spotlight-feature-networkmanager-gets-even-more-connected/
20:20:37 <stickster> NetworkManager is totally done.
20:20:45 <stickster> Done, published, and linked for press
20:20:56 <mchua> #info NetworkManager feature profile has been shipped
20:21:03 <stickster> This is the treatment that Python will get next week, and the desktop hardware enablements the week after that
20:21:16 <mchua> #link http://press.redhat.com/2010/04/20/fedora-13-spotlight-feature-networkmanager-gets-even-more-connected/
20:21:21 <stickster> #info Python will get same treatment 4/27, and hw enablements 5/4
20:21:26 <mchua> excellent
20:21:41 <mchua> #action mchua add "status" column to feature profiles table
20:21:53 <mchua> that's easy enough. ok!
20:22:02 <mchua> feature profiles... I'm feeling pretty good about this round, really
20:22:28 <mchua> we have some great things to profile, excellent interviews, and people checking us for new-Fedora-user readability :)
20:22:38 <mchua> on to one-page?
20:22:47 <mchua> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_one_page_release_notes
20:23:08 <mchua> #info currently a draft/stub: needs cleanup, screenshots, layout
20:23:31 <mchua> I'd like to sprint on this during Thursday's class (11am EDT) to do the cleanup
20:23:33 * rbergeron nods
20:23:49 <mchua> and then perhaps we can ask the students to get screenshots, that's an easy new-contrib thing
20:23:57 * rbergeron can't ever make those except for the last 15 minutes :\ sorry!
20:24:03 <mchua> rbergeron: no worries, I'll sprint with them
20:24:07 <stickster> Sorry I can't help as much with one-page relnotes this time around -- I'm crushed already
20:24:08 * rbergeron nods
20:24:18 * stickster will be glad to do reviews and editing runs whenever he can find 15 min
20:24:19 <mchua> #action mchua ask Allegheny class to sprint on one-page relnotes during Thursday's class
20:24:29 <mchua> stickster: sanity check on thursday afternoon/night would be awesome
20:24:30 <mchua> we'll send to list
20:24:44 <mchua> that should take care of the cleanup, and then it's screenshots and layout, and we can get those next week
20:25:00 <mchua> we need someone queued up that has layout-fu; I'll ask the Allegheny profs if they have anyone with graphic design skillz that could quickly learn Inkscape
20:25:15 <mchua> I know some of the students have been taking on Design team tickets and have had a hard time finding ones they can take in such a short amount of time
20:25:18 <mchua> but perhaps this will be one
20:25:36 <mchua> #action mchua see if we can get the Allegheny students working on Design team tickets to take this one
20:25:53 <mchua> rbergeron: do you think that should cover us on one-page?
20:26:06 <mchua> rbergeron: then afterwards we can ask for translations (last time was a pleasant surprise to find that happening!)
20:26:09 <mchua> (thank you yn1v)
20:26:55 <mchua> I would like to do the Update To Ambassadors (with links to all our deliverables - that's pretty much it) right at the final release readiness meeting on 5/12
20:27:04 <mchua> so that when we say "it is GO!!!" we go "yay, SHIP THE EMAIL!!!"
20:27:11 <rbergeron> mchua: sorry - my internet is like.... choking and being evil and my typing is coming out like one leter at a time
20:27:18 <mchua> which means we want *all* of our deliverables - the ones we want ambassadors to spread - finished by then, 5/12.
20:27:20 <rbergeron> mchua: but, yes
20:27:26 <mchua> rbergeron: yokeydokey :)
20:27:33 * mchua looks around for objections to that date.
20:27:40 <stickster> none here
20:27:42 * mchua twiddles thumbs
20:27:43 <mchua> okay!
20:27:45 <mchua> thus it shall be.
20:27:48 <rbergeron> is that a meeting date?
20:27:55 <mchua> rbergeron: Yeah, it's the readiness meeting date
20:28:01 <mchua> so we'll have the email text done by tue 5/11
20:28:10 <rbergeron> ah
20:28:12 <mchua> and ship it on 5/12 if the final release gets greenlighted then
20:28:16 <rbergeron> ok, just checking when mktg meeting was in relation
20:28:22 <mchua> Yokeydoke.
20:28:23 * rbergeron is running realllly slow here
20:28:47 <mchua> #info Ambassadors briefing (links to Marketing deliverables) email will be done by 5/11, ship after readiness meeting green light on 5/12
20:28:57 * mchua is kinda assuming we will have a green light
20:29:16 <stickster> It's looking pretty good at this point
20:29:28 <stickster> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=F13Blocker
20:29:36 <mchua> I will take responsibility for making sure that email happens - a lot of the notes from ke4qqq, rbergeron, yn1v will help
20:29:55 <mchua> (really, we should be able to point them towards our deliverables table and say "go!")
20:30:04 <mchua> #action mchua make sure we have the ambassadors email written up by 5/11
20:30:09 <mchua> #action mchua turn remaining deliverables into tickets
20:30:34 <mchua> Okay. That's about it for deliverables, except for the release announcement itself, which... stickster, do you historically write that?
20:30:56 <stickster> mchua: Usually that comes from a volunteer
20:31:01 <stickster> I've done several in the past when I was a volunteer
20:31:16 <mchua> Oh, so we do need to find someone to write that.
20:31:17 <mchua> Ok.
20:31:26 <stickster> Maybe rrix would be up to the challenge... he did a good job on the Beta. This one is supposed to be a little more... creative :-)
20:31:29 <rbergeron> is that the "fun" release announcement?
20:31:34 <stickster> rbergeron: Precisely
20:31:49 <stickster> Usually it adopts a "voice" that has something to do with the release name and theme
20:31:49 <rrix> I can try, I don't really do "fun" writing though :(
20:32:11 <mchua> rrix: Ooh. Yes. I would love to see you do a release announcement.
20:32:15 * rbergeron is pretty sure rrix could rock it
20:32:16 <rbergeron> :)
20:32:20 <rrix> ooh, clever
20:32:26 * mchua groans
20:32:30 <rrix> alright, I'll give it a shot
20:32:33 <gwerra> rrix: I ll help you :)
20:32:37 <rrix> ok :D
20:32:41 <mchua> this might be something fun to invite the Allegheny students in on an etherpad/gobby for
20:32:44 <mchua> btw
20:32:49 <rrix> that too
20:32:51 * gwerra isnt all that good, but would love to give it a shit
20:32:52 <mchua> really concrete, visible achievement by their crew
20:32:53 <rbergeron> rrix: or we could do it at denny's on may 8
20:32:57 <rbergeron> no no, barros pizza
20:33:04 <mchua> you're... getting pizza without me?
20:33:06 * mchua sniffs
20:33:10 <rrix> may 8, hmmm
20:33:14 <stickster> rrix: Thanks
20:33:18 <gwerra> mchua: you people always forget me
20:33:22 <mchua> #action rrix run point on final release announcement
20:33:24 <rrix> that day seems important-ish
20:33:27 * rrix shrugs
20:33:28 <rbergeron> mcchua: you should see the picture rrix sent me today
20:33:37 <rbergeron> day before mother's day i think
20:33:43 <rrix> rbergeron: that may be a good idea, we'll see if we can knock it out before that
20:33:43 <mchua> gwerra: nonono, you're awesome! and should totally join the sprint!
20:33:50 <rbergeron> he sent me pictures of his pizza at barro's
20:33:52 <stickster> gwerra: It will be composed on the wiki so I think people can collaborate easily :-)
20:33:54 * rbergeron cries
20:33:59 * stickster saves his editing for the end
20:34:06 <mchua> Okeydoke.
20:34:14 <mchua> That.... is all for deliverables, I believe.
20:34:16 <gwerra> stickster: I am talking about pizzas :P
20:34:23 <stickster> haha
20:34:30 <mchua> We do have some extra cool stuff happening that is not a release deliverable
20:34:35 <mchua> OH!
20:34:36 <stickster> mchua: #action ?
20:34:38 <mchua> PRESS KITS
20:34:40 <rrix> gwerra: does Skyp accept sms? ;P
20:34:47 <mchua> stickster: for... ?
20:34:49 <gwerra> rrix: yup
20:34:51 <stickster> release announcement
20:34:53 <mchua> stickster: already #actioned rrix on it
20:34:58 <stickster> I CAN'T READ
20:35:00 <stickster> :-D
20:35:02 * mchua grins
20:35:09 <stickster> I'm like that bacon sniffing dog
20:35:18 <mchua> Status on press kits. Gotta check in with Henrik on that.
20:35:23 <rrix> stickster: :)
20:35:32 * rbergeron nods
20:35:33 <rbergeron> BACON
20:35:38 <mchua> stickster: how critical are you feeling with press kit deadlines? (if you don't know right away, I'll poke Henrik and make sure we know status)
20:35:46 * mchua has one announcement for the end, too
20:36:11 <stickster> mchua: I'm not. The press kit is something that doesn't have a hard release deadline.
20:36:14 <mchua> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_press_kit
20:36:15 * mchua nods
20:36:20 <mchua> #info press kit does not have a hard release deadline
20:36:26 <mchua> yeah, it's not on our critical path, but it would be nice to have
20:36:34 <stickster> *nod
20:36:35 <mchua> #action mchua check in with wonderer on press kit status
20:36:44 <mchua> I'd like that by the summit, and so on
20:36:57 <mchua> there's also a bunch of really cool non-deliverables projects going on with the Allegheny class
20:37:29 <mchua> #info other non-release-deliverable projects: microblogging, video sharing, spins webpages
20:37:37 <mchua> we'll see how finished those get before release date
20:37:58 <mchua> I personally want to see the spins pages done, so I'm working with the teams there on those to make sure we hit release date
20:38:09 <mchua> esp. since we're featuring the new spins in our talking points
20:38:24 <rbergeron> stickster: don't you need the F13 usb page at bare minimum for prses stuff
20:38:26 <stickster> mchua: +2 on spins pages.
20:38:37 <mchua> #action mchua make sure we get spins pages done in time
20:38:39 <stickster> rbergeron: That's already underway
20:38:47 <mchua> next cycle we should find a way to build that into *somebody's* release deliverables
20:38:49 <rbergeron> stickster: ohhh
20:38:49 <stickster> rbergeron: I just do that as a routine function until I don't have to anymore :-)
20:38:50 <mchua> maybe websites
20:38:52 <ianweller> mchua: +3 on spins pages from me... those are important :)
20:39:03 <mchua> #idea make sure spins pages are on some team's release deliverables list next cycle
20:39:09 * stickster notes he sent email to spin owners about them but didn't see much action
20:39:16 <stickster> mchua: They really need to be driven *by the spin owners*
20:39:41 <mchua> stickster: +1, but if we're talking-pointsing them by default we need to stay on the spin owners' cases too
20:39:59 <stickster> mchua: agreed
20:40:04 * mchua not feeling *too* overextended on deliverables right now, but would be *very* happy to hand off spins-page nagging to somebody else
20:40:11 <rbergeron> stickster: can you maybe empower some of us with that information at some point after you're done with it and have time to breathe so that the next awesome FPL can know that stuff too :)
20:40:13 * mchua looks around at gwerra, ianweller
20:40:25 <stickster> rbergeron: Which info? the F13 USB page info?
20:40:32 <rbergeron> stickster: yessir
20:40:40 * rbergeron thinks it's pretty basic - but not sure what coordination is there.
20:40:43 <stickster> rbergeron: There's not much to know. I download the previous copy Scribus source, update it as needed for F13.
20:40:47 <ianweller> i'll take it.
20:40:50 <stickster> Not SOP-worthy.
20:40:50 <mchua> ianweller: spins page nagging?
20:40:52 <ianweller> yes
20:40:55 <mchua> stickster: yes sop worthy!
20:40:56 <stickster> ianweller: Thank you!
20:41:01 <ianweller> someone just needs to tell me where to find who to nag
20:41:03 * rbergeron nods
20:41:05 <mchua> #action ianweller nag our 4 featured spins owners
20:41:07 <mchua> ianweller: I will
20:41:16 <ianweller> and how they can update the spins pages
20:41:21 * rbergeron just wonders if it should be in a schedule somewhere as something to do
20:41:28 <gwerra> ianweller: I am one to nag (for security spin)
20:41:33 <ianweller> gwerra: nag nag nag
20:41:35 <ianweller> mchua: one down!
20:41:36 <ianweller> ;)
20:41:45 <mchua> ianweller: gwerra for security spin, sdziallas for design and soas, pbrobinson for mini
20:41:49 <stickster> mchua: in the sense that there should be a link to the wiki page for where to find the source
20:41:51 <stickster> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Press_kits
20:41:56 <mchua> ianweller: pbrobinson can be nagged for soas as well, as can I
20:43:06 <mchua> Okay, I think that's it.
20:43:11 <mchua> Can anyone think of anything else?
20:44:47 * stickster done
20:44:51 <stickster> like a steak!
20:45:33 * mchua prefers medium rare
20:45:41 <mchua> okay!
20:45:43 <mchua> closing in 5...
20:45:47 * mchua looks around
20:45:50 <mchua> ianweller: jetpack?
20:45:51 <mchua> 4...
20:45:52 <mchua> 3...
20:45:54 <mchua> 2...
20:45:59 * ianweller jetpacks into the ceiling
20:46:04 * mchua dons jetpack, helmet, signs release form
20:46:06 <mchua> 1...
20:46:08 * mchua takeoff!
20:46:11 <mchua> #endmeeting