20:01:24 #startmeeting 20:01:25 Meeting started Tue Apr 20 20:01:24 2010 UTC. The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:01:27 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:01:52 All righty. I'd like to start with an update on FI, since we have people working on that here, and the date draws nigh 20:01:54 * stickster 20:02:01 and perhaps we can drum up some help over the next few days :) 20:02:03 y0 20:02:04 #topic FI status update 20:02:22 stickster, rbergeron, et al - can you give us an idea of where we stand, what we're trying to hit, what needs to be done that people can help with? 20:02:30 rrix: welcome back, dude :) 20:02:36 mchua: We have one blocker and a couple critical tickets 20:02:50 The blocker is very serious and involves how Administrator permissions are being granted 20:03:02 I emailed logistics@ and cc'd itbegins about it 20:03:31 where'd I go? 20:03:39 and i sent it off to drak from zikula as well - hopefully he can send us some help, quickly. 20:03:43 The critical problems are almost blockers IMHO. 20:03:58 If the site is too unattractive to show, then it doesn't help us to push it out prematurely. 20:04:18 A bunch of people have been spending quite a number of hours on trying to fix problems -- I know that I have. 20:05:02 I'm less concerned now about the fact that there are problems, than that some of them stem from basic functionality issues. 20:05:14 * mchua nods. 20:05:18 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight 20:05:41 stickster: is https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&keywords=~Zikula&keywords=~Fedora+Insight&order=priority the correct query to show all the remaining blockers? 20:06:09 stickster: gwerra noted on irc earlier today that he will be finishing skinning work by the 23rd. 20:06:12 mchua: Looks right to me -- everything I filed has the zikula keyword. 20:06:14 gwerra / hiemanshu. 20:06:37 Is gwerra here? 20:07:07 OK, maybe not 20:07:19 * rbergeron just poked him to come on down 20:07:23 not sure if he's still here 20:07:34 I think he just left. 20:07:43 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&keywords=~Zikula&keywords=~Fedora+Insight&order=priority 20:07:49 Missed the #tag last time :) 20:08:04 * gwerra is here 20:08:11 We are just a few days out from staging deadlines. I think this is the day we agreed on to make the call for our readiness. 20:08:22 Today? 20:08:26 gwerra: oh, awesome. 20:08:27 mchua: rbergeron: Does that jibe? I may need to look at the Insight meeting 20:08:32 stickster: it's on thursdays 20:08:35 I don't have a calendar note 20:08:41 for that... sorry. 20:08:41 according to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight#Meeting_agenda:_2010-04-22 20:08:50 * mchua does not know if this is accurate, though 20:09:09 mchua: Let me check the log 20:10:03 Ok. 20:10:04 Yeah, 4/22 is the right date 20:10:04 THanks 20:10:07 stickster: I will be travelling on the 22nd which is a good time to fix the themes and 23rd onwards I am free so I should be done by the 23rd max 20:10:17 #info 4/22 is the go/no-go meeting for Fedora Insight 20:10:22 gwerra: Unfortunately our blocker issue isn't theme related 20:10:24 #info check out the tickets queue above to see open blockers 20:10:32 stickster: what are they? 20:10:39 #info Insight go/no-go meeting IRC Freenode #fedora-mktg on Thursdays at 2pm US Eastern time. 20:10:40 gwerra: See link above 20:10:56 gwerra: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&keywords=%7EZikula&keywords=%7EFedora+Insight&order=priority 20:11:03 * rbergeron nods 20:11:07 * stickster too slow, cowpoke! 20:11:13 Ok. Anything else on Insight that we need to know? 20:11:27 mchua: 22 2pm I wont be online :( 20:11:30 if anyone sees drak, itbegins, or anyone else from FI on - 20:11:31 mchua: Not for now, I think everything else is best left to logistics@ and group working on Insight 20:11:43 (Thank you, everyone, on the persistent and dedicated work so far - I think we are all learning a *tremendous* amount from this experience) 20:11:47 I know I am. 20:12:01 mchua: I wont make it on the 22nd 20:12:03 please direct them to the FI page, if they dont have it - and try to ping myself, stickster, ke4qqq, gwerra, or anyone else who can direct them to the exact problem 20:12:06 can we up it to 23rd? 20:12:09 gwerra: that's ok, there will be logs :) 20:12:33 * gwerra thought he had to be at the meeting, /me goes back into the corner 20:12:36 rbergeron: sure 20:12:48 #info further discussion on Fedora Insight to be moved to the logistics@ list 20:13:00 gwerra: We can check your status from the tickets if you update there -- thanks for being passionate about it, it means a lot to us! 20:13:02 stickster: I think forms was done? 20:13:19 .ticket 2006 20:13:21 gwerra: Let's take further discussion about Insight out of this meeting, which is the Marketing meeting 20:13:21 gwerra: #2006 (Create forms in Zikula on staging for Fedora Insight content workflow) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2006 20:13:27 okie 20:13:30 gwerra: We can talk in #fedora-mktg if you like :-) 20:13:34 Go ahead mchua 20:14:36 Ok! 20:14:52 Deliverables update - any other topics aside from that, speak up, if not, that's the last thing for today. 20:15:08 We will be doing a "how did this go?" feedback session with Allegheny students *after* the semester (and release cycle) ends 20:15:12 past May 20th 20:15:21 er, Allegheny profs, and any students still around then, rather :) 20:15:26 just so people know 20:15:47 #info we will have a "how did this go?" feedback session with Allegheny folks after the release/semester ends, just fyi 20:15:51 #topic Deliverables update 20:16:14 mchua: Feature profiles 20:16:19 stickster: Yep 20:16:29 mchua: I've updated the marketing ticket to reflect info on the schedule for profiles to hit the airwaves 20:16:41 Feature profiles and one-page release notes (with screenshots) are our big remaining ones. 20:16:59 * rbergeron is still going on her FP - have stuff back, cobbling currently. 20:17:00 The rest are smaller things like release announcement and briefing ambassadors (basically sending them links to our deliverables for this release) 20:17:02 * mchua nods 20:17:05 The video for Python in F13 is nearing completion, to be followed shortly by the desktop hardware enablement stuff 20:17:24 s/stuff/video/ 20:17:25 Nice. The Python in F13 interview is done and cleaned up, and annotated for clarity (thanks, Allegheny team) 20:17:27 woops, I disappeared, I'm back 20:17:27 mchua: can we figure out the one-page release notes steps? How "done" will the allegheny students be getting? 20:17:46 so when the video is ready to ship, the interview can go; I'm hoping to get tutorial screencasts made but we can ship without them. 20:17:58 hang on, let's finish feature profiles first 20:18:01 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_feature_profiles 20:18:37 * mchua trying to find that trac ticket 20:18:55 #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/91 20:19:05 #info Python is slated for 4/27, and Hardware enablements for users on 5/4. 20:19:17 * rbergeron nods - that should be fine 20:19:53 #info remaining profiles - boot.fp.o, btrfs (interview done today, yay Allegheny!), networkmanager (pretty much done, it looks like), SSSD, rpm 4.8 20:19:57 we have... a *lot* 20:19:58 this time 20:20:00 which is awesome 20:20:16 boot.fp.o is done, but I would prefer to hold it for a post-release update. 20:20:23 * mchua nods 20:20:25 er, s/update/issuance/ 20:20:28 nwmanager i think is definitely done - 20:20:30 http://press.redhat.com/2010/04/20/fedora-13-spotlight-feature-networkmanager-gets-even-more-connected/ 20:20:37 NetworkManager is totally done. 20:20:45 Done, published, and linked for press 20:20:56 #info NetworkManager feature profile has been shipped 20:21:03 This is the treatment that Python will get next week, and the desktop hardware enablements the week after that 20:21:16 #link http://press.redhat.com/2010/04/20/fedora-13-spotlight-feature-networkmanager-gets-even-more-connected/ 20:21:21 #info Python will get same treatment 4/27, and hw enablements 5/4 20:21:26 excellent 20:21:41 #action mchua add "status" column to feature profiles table 20:21:53 that's easy enough. ok! 20:22:02 feature profiles... I'm feeling pretty good about this round, really 20:22:28 we have some great things to profile, excellent interviews, and people checking us for new-Fedora-user readability :) 20:22:38 on to one-page? 20:22:47 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_one_page_release_notes 20:23:08 #info currently a draft/stub: needs cleanup, screenshots, layout 20:23:31 I'd like to sprint on this during Thursday's class (11am EDT) to do the cleanup 20:23:33 * rbergeron nods 20:23:49 and then perhaps we can ask the students to get screenshots, that's an easy new-contrib thing 20:23:57 * rbergeron can't ever make those except for the last 15 minutes :\ sorry! 20:24:03 rbergeron: no worries, I'll sprint with them 20:24:07 Sorry I can't help as much with one-page relnotes this time around -- I'm crushed already 20:24:08 * rbergeron nods 20:24:18 * stickster will be glad to do reviews and editing runs whenever he can find 15 min 20:24:19 #action mchua ask Allegheny class to sprint on one-page relnotes during Thursday's class 20:24:29 stickster: sanity check on thursday afternoon/night would be awesome 20:24:30 we'll send to list 20:24:44 that should take care of the cleanup, and then it's screenshots and layout, and we can get those next week 20:25:00 we need someone queued up that has layout-fu; I'll ask the Allegheny profs if they have anyone with graphic design skillz that could quickly learn Inkscape 20:25:15 I know some of the students have been taking on Design team tickets and have had a hard time finding ones they can take in such a short amount of time 20:25:18 but perhaps this will be one 20:25:36 #action mchua see if we can get the Allegheny students working on Design team tickets to take this one 20:25:53 rbergeron: do you think that should cover us on one-page? 20:26:06 rbergeron: then afterwards we can ask for translations (last time was a pleasant surprise to find that happening!) 20:26:09 (thank you yn1v) 20:26:55 I would like to do the Update To Ambassadors (with links to all our deliverables - that's pretty much it) right at the final release readiness meeting on 5/12 20:27:04 so that when we say "it is GO!!!" we go "yay, SHIP THE EMAIL!!!" 20:27:11 mchua: sorry - my internet is like.... choking and being evil and my typing is coming out like one leter at a time 20:27:18 which means we want *all* of our deliverables - the ones we want ambassadors to spread - finished by then, 5/12. 20:27:20 mchua: but, yes 20:27:26 rbergeron: yokeydokey :) 20:27:33 * mchua looks around for objections to that date. 20:27:40 none here 20:27:42 * mchua twiddles thumbs 20:27:43 okay! 20:27:45 thus it shall be. 20:27:48 is that a meeting date? 20:27:55 rbergeron: Yeah, it's the readiness meeting date 20:28:01 so we'll have the email text done by tue 5/11 20:28:10 ah 20:28:12 and ship it on 5/12 if the final release gets greenlighted then 20:28:16 ok, just checking when mktg meeting was in relation 20:28:22 Yokeydoke. 20:28:23 * rbergeron is running realllly slow here 20:28:47 #info Ambassadors briefing (links to Marketing deliverables) email will be done by 5/11, ship after readiness meeting green light on 5/12 20:28:57 * mchua is kinda assuming we will have a green light 20:29:16 It's looking pretty good at this point 20:29:28 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=F13Blocker 20:29:36 I will take responsibility for making sure that email happens - a lot of the notes from ke4qqq, rbergeron, yn1v will help 20:29:55 (really, we should be able to point them towards our deliverables table and say "go!") 20:30:04 #action mchua make sure we have the ambassadors email written up by 5/11 20:30:09 #action mchua turn remaining deliverables into tickets 20:30:34 Okay. That's about it for deliverables, except for the release announcement itself, which... stickster, do you historically write that? 20:30:56 mchua: Usually that comes from a volunteer 20:31:01 I've done several in the past when I was a volunteer 20:31:16 Oh, so we do need to find someone to write that. 20:31:17 Ok. 20:31:26 Maybe rrix would be up to the challenge... he did a good job on the Beta. This one is supposed to be a little more... creative :-) 20:31:29 is that the "fun" release announcement? 20:31:34 rbergeron: Precisely 20:31:49 Usually it adopts a "voice" that has something to do with the release name and theme 20:31:49 I can try, I don't really do "fun" writing though :( 20:32:11 rrix: Ooh. Yes. I would love to see you do a release announcement. 20:32:15 * rbergeron is pretty sure rrix could rock it 20:32:16 :) 20:32:20 ooh, clever 20:32:26 * mchua groans 20:32:30 alright, I'll give it a shot 20:32:33 rrix: I ll help you :) 20:32:37 ok :D 20:32:41 this might be something fun to invite the Allegheny students in on an etherpad/gobby for 20:32:44 btw 20:32:49 that too 20:32:51 * gwerra isnt all that good, but would love to give it a shit 20:32:52 really concrete, visible achievement by their crew 20:32:53 rrix: or we could do it at denny's on may 8 20:32:57 no no, barros pizza 20:33:04 you're... getting pizza without me? 20:33:06 * mchua sniffs 20:33:10 may 8, hmmm 20:33:14 rrix: Thanks 20:33:18 mchua: you people always forget me 20:33:22 #action rrix run point on final release announcement 20:33:24 that day seems important-ish 20:33:27 * rrix shrugs 20:33:28 mcchua: you should see the picture rrix sent me today 20:33:37 day before mother's day i think 20:33:43 rbergeron: that may be a good idea, we'll see if we can knock it out before that 20:33:43 gwerra: nonono, you're awesome! and should totally join the sprint! 20:33:50 he sent me pictures of his pizza at barro's 20:33:52 gwerra: It will be composed on the wiki so I think people can collaborate easily :-) 20:33:54 * rbergeron cries 20:33:59 * stickster saves his editing for the end 20:34:06 Okeydoke. 20:34:14 That.... is all for deliverables, I believe. 20:34:16 stickster: I am talking about pizzas :P 20:34:23 haha 20:34:30 We do have some extra cool stuff happening that is not a release deliverable 20:34:35 OH! 20:34:36 mchua: #action ? 20:34:38 PRESS KITS 20:34:40 gwerra: does Skyp accept sms? ;P 20:34:47 stickster: for... ? 20:34:49 rrix: yup 20:34:51 release announcement 20:34:53 stickster: already #actioned rrix on it 20:34:58 I CAN'T READ 20:35:00 :-D 20:35:02 * mchua grins 20:35:09 I'm like that bacon sniffing dog 20:35:18 Status on press kits. Gotta check in with Henrik on that. 20:35:23 stickster: :) 20:35:32 * rbergeron nods 20:35:33 BACON 20:35:38 stickster: how critical are you feeling with press kit deadlines? (if you don't know right away, I'll poke Henrik and make sure we know status) 20:35:46 * mchua has one announcement for the end, too 20:36:11 mchua: I'm not. The press kit is something that doesn't have a hard release deadline. 20:36:14 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_press_kit 20:36:15 * mchua nods 20:36:20 #info press kit does not have a hard release deadline 20:36:26 yeah, it's not on our critical path, but it would be nice to have 20:36:34 *nod 20:36:35 #action mchua check in with wonderer on press kit status 20:36:44 I'd like that by the summit, and so on 20:36:57 there's also a bunch of really cool non-deliverables projects going on with the Allegheny class 20:37:29 #info other non-release-deliverable projects: microblogging, video sharing, spins webpages 20:37:37 we'll see how finished those get before release date 20:37:58 I personally want to see the spins pages done, so I'm working with the teams there on those to make sure we hit release date 20:38:09 esp. since we're featuring the new spins in our talking points 20:38:24 stickster: don't you need the F13 usb page at bare minimum for prses stuff 20:38:26 mchua: +2 on spins pages. 20:38:37 #action mchua make sure we get spins pages done in time 20:38:39 rbergeron: That's already underway 20:38:47 next cycle we should find a way to build that into *somebody's* release deliverables 20:38:49 stickster: ohhh 20:38:49 rbergeron: I just do that as a routine function until I don't have to anymore :-) 20:38:50 maybe websites 20:38:52 mchua: +3 on spins pages from me... those are important :) 20:39:03 #idea make sure spins pages are on some team's release deliverables list next cycle 20:39:09 * stickster notes he sent email to spin owners about them but didn't see much action 20:39:16 mchua: They really need to be driven *by the spin owners* 20:39:41 stickster: +1, but if we're talking-pointsing them by default we need to stay on the spin owners' cases too 20:39:59 mchua: agreed 20:40:04 * mchua not feeling *too* overextended on deliverables right now, but would be *very* happy to hand off spins-page nagging to somebody else 20:40:11 stickster: can you maybe empower some of us with that information at some point after you're done with it and have time to breathe so that the next awesome FPL can know that stuff too :) 20:40:13 * mchua looks around at gwerra, ianweller 20:40:25 rbergeron: Which info? the F13 USB page info? 20:40:32 stickster: yessir 20:40:40 * rbergeron thinks it's pretty basic - but not sure what coordination is there. 20:40:43 rbergeron: There's not much to know. I download the previous copy Scribus source, update it as needed for F13. 20:40:47 i'll take it. 20:40:50 Not SOP-worthy. 20:40:50 ianweller: spins page nagging? 20:40:52 yes 20:40:55 stickster: yes sop worthy! 20:40:56 ianweller: Thank you! 20:41:01 someone just needs to tell me where to find who to nag 20:41:03 * rbergeron nods 20:41:05 #action ianweller nag our 4 featured spins owners 20:41:07 ianweller: I will 20:41:16 and how they can update the spins pages 20:41:21 * rbergeron just wonders if it should be in a schedule somewhere as something to do 20:41:28 ianweller: I am one to nag (for security spin) 20:41:33 gwerra: nag nag nag 20:41:35 mchua: one down! 20:41:36 ;) 20:41:45 ianweller: gwerra for security spin, sdziallas for design and soas, pbrobinson for mini 20:41:49 mchua: in the sense that there should be a link to the wiki page for where to find the source 20:41:51 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Press_kits 20:41:56 ianweller: pbrobinson can be nagged for soas as well, as can I 20:43:06 Okay, I think that's it. 20:43:11 Can anyone think of anything else? 20:44:47 * stickster done 20:44:51 like a steak! 20:45:33 * mchua prefers medium rare 20:45:41 okay! 20:45:43 closing in 5... 20:45:47 * mchua looks around 20:45:50 ianweller: jetpack? 20:45:51 4... 20:45:52 3... 20:45:54 2... 20:45:59 * ianweller jetpacks into the ceiling 20:46:04 * mchua dons jetpack, helmet, signs release form 20:46:06 1... 20:46:08 * mchua takeoff! 20:46:11 #endmeeting