18:00:30 <kital> #startmeeting famsco-meeting 2010-April-26 18:00:31 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Apr 26 18:00:30 2010 UTC. The chair is kital. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:33 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:45 <kital> #topic Roll Call 18:00:51 <kital> Joerg Simon 18:00:55 * tatica = Maria Gracia Leandro 18:01:03 <ke4qqq> David Nalley 18:01:07 <kital> #chair spevack 18:01:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: kital spevack 18:01:55 <kital> hi RodrigoPadula ;) just in time for Roll Call 18:02:08 <spevack> Max Spevack is here :) 18:02:21 <RodrigoPadula> I'm here! 18:03:30 <kital> ok - like sumit suggested we will move to have a short meeting - agenda is short and we all have pending tasks 18:03:36 <kital> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda 18:03:59 <kital> lets start reviewing old action items 18:04:04 <kital> #topic reviewing old action items 18:04:39 <kital> spevack: i saw that you closed a lot ticket in famsco trac 18:04:56 <kital> spevack: can we close "Delete old tickets with private info, then open famsco's trac instance to the public. " 18:04:59 <kital> ? 18:05:15 <spevack> kital: not yet, actually. I went through all of my tickets and closed a bunch for FLISOL, but I still need to look at private info 18:05:28 <kital> ok! 18:06:15 <kital> ke4qqq: David thanks for clarify the Campus Ambassadors Issue 18:06:16 <kital> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2010-April/000157.html 18:06:50 <ke4qqq> I saw rsc's question as well 18:07:02 <ke4qqq> but based on how Jack set things up - I don't think we have oversight 18:07:50 <spevack> anything Jack did can be undone. The question with Campus Ambassadors should always be "what's the best model for this *TODAY* and then go from there. 18:07:52 <kital> yes - even if they have ambassadors in the name famsco is not responsible for this group 18:08:27 <spevack> As a leadership body in Fedora we should ask "who does have accountability for Campus Ambassadors, and do those people have the resources they need?" 18:08:34 <spevack> what's the answer to that? do we know? 18:08:42 <kital> despite emea Ambassadors have a consens that it is waste of ressources 18:08:55 <kital> i believe to sence the same from the indian community 18:09:11 <susmit> yes 18:09:42 <ke4qqq> spevack: my understanding was that commarch had them as a separate budget. I assume the people doing the work there are responsible 18:09:48 <ke4qqq> is the budget issue not the case? 18:10:09 * ke4qqq doesn't want to burden a budding group with unnecessary overhead 18:10:13 <spevack> ke4qqq: if someone asks me for budget, it will be found, but I don't have a specific campus ambassadors line item. 18:10:14 <kital> from what i could see at one of the last famsco meetings - biertie is the president? of that group 18:10:22 <kital> 20:12:31 <biertie> We are starting the campus ambassadors program again 18:10:25 <kital> 20:12:40 <biertie> and I am elected as the 'president' 18:10:31 <kital> spevack: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-02-17/fedora-meeting.2010-02-17-20.05.log.html 18:10:44 <spevack> well, ok then :) 18:10:50 <kital> spevack: there was a long discussion about it in several meetings - emea and famsco 18:11:51 <kital> spevack: most emea ambassadors share rsc question 18:11:52 <kital> 20:23:16 <rsc> I don't really get why we need "campusambassadors"? Why can't regular ambassadors do that as well? And how will you ensure that "campusambassadors" are knowledged enough? 18:12:50 <spevack> I share that question as well. I think we're making some arbitrary distinctions. In my mind: Campus Ambassadors are Fedora Ambassadors who happen to focus their work at the university, college, or high school they attend. 18:12:55 <kital> but ke4qqq checked back with them and we are out of this issue - they have own budget outside from the famsco budget 18:13:06 <spevack> If someone like Bert wants to have a leadership role and try to keep those ambassadors organized, that's great! 18:13:11 <spevack> but there should be a lot of overlap. 18:13:21 * ke4qqq really hopes we don't go down this rabbit hole again - no one has asked us for anything. (aside from the question from rsc) so there isn't really a decision here to be made I think - I think if they ask for something we tackle it, but they haven't to my knowledge 18:13:42 * spevack is not trying to drag us down a rabbit hole :) 18:14:01 * ke4qqq isn't infering that you are - but we spent 30 minutes on this last meeting - with no resolution 18:14:05 <kital> ke4qqq: if you read the log you see it is an issue in emea and this was the reason to clarify it 18:14:20 <kital> and ok - famsco is out of business here! 18:14:21 <spevack> I missed last week due to my speech to college students going 2 hours instead of 1 :P 18:14:52 <spevack> kital: i think for now we can set this aside, yes. Let's give Bert and others a chance to lay out their vision. When they need resources, they'll get what they need. That's no problem. 18:15:05 <ke4qqq> I don't think they are doing anything at this point that we think we need to get involved in. at least that's my standpoint - they have some leadership trying to jumpstart things - lets encourage and offer assistance if they ask for it, and move on otherwise. 18:15:25 <kital> spevack: from what i can read they have a clear agenda https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Campus_Ambassadors 18:16:15 <kital> but again - i see only a smaller scope - but in india 90% of Ambassadors would match this scope - universitiees 18:16:18 <kital> ... 18:17:04 <ke4qqq> is there something for us to decide here? 18:17:15 <spevack> I don't think there is. 18:17:27 <kital> ke4qqq: no thanks for clarification 18:17:35 <kital> ke4qqq: no, thanks for clarification 18:18:24 <kital> susmit lfoppiano any progress with Call for action F13 Release Parties - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty 18:18:27 <kital> ? 18:18:44 <susmit> kital, not yet. 18:19:09 <kital> susmit: maybe draft a call for action to post on planet till next week? 18:19:12 <susmit> But I have some time tomorrow and work on it 18:19:23 <kital> super - any feedback from lfoppiano 18:19:23 <susmit> and will work on it 18:19:24 <kital> ? 18:19:26 <tatica> I can start help with F13 RP 18:19:35 <tatica> I'm done with FLISoL, so I can giva hand here 18:19:49 <tatica> *give a 18:19:57 <spevack> tatica: were you happy with FLISOL? 18:20:20 <tatica> 2200 people make my day happier :D and 60 new users too 18:20:22 <kital> tatica: all help is welcome, susmit please involve tatica ;) 18:20:26 <spevack> tatica: WOW!!!!! 18:20:30 <susmit> sure 18:20:49 <ke4qqq> tatica: that's awesome 18:21:36 <kital> super tatica! 18:21:42 <tatica> I still don't have the resume yet... I'm still working in some issues about that, but this week I should send the data 18:21:51 <tatica> also the recipes to you spevack (sorry the delay) 18:22:02 <kital> was RodrigoPadula also involved in flisol (sorry for having no idea ;) ? 18:22:21 <RodrigoPadula> about flisol 18:22:38 <RodrigoPadula> I request to all brazilians that participated to write a blog post and add to the planet 18:22:38 <tatica> spevack, we had +6000 people in venezuela.. so I'm really happy :D 18:23:04 <spevack> tatica: that's incredible. I'm happy for you! 18:23:10 <spevack> RodrigoPadula: i hope you were also successful with FLISOL? 18:23:12 <RodrigoPadula> this week we will have some neus about 18:23:21 <RodrigoPadula> spevack, yes 18:23:29 <RodrigoPadula> we participated in many states in brasil 18:23:29 * ke4qqq is amazed at the draw conferences outside NA are able to have 18:23:36 <RodrigoPadula> from the north to the south 18:23:42 <kital> great to collect all these reports for our FAmSCo Report next Week! 18:23:52 <susmit> yeah 18:24:12 <kital> what brings us to my next topic (i will connect my old action item with another agenda topic) 18:24:27 <kital> #topic FAmSCo Report April 18:24:29 <RodrigoPadula> ahhh we are working in a complete report for the entire region woo 18:24:30 <RodrigoPadula> http://proyectofedora.org/wiki/Reportes 18:25:21 <susmit> nice it is. 18:25:51 <kital> i suggest to setup and fill the April Report with all content till 2010-05-02 - so we can approve it on our next meeting? 18:25:58 <spevack> I hope we will have a lot with FLISOL in our April report. 18:26:02 <spevack> kital: that is a good deadline 18:26:10 <tatica> yes 18:26:17 <tatica> I point that out into the list 18:26:28 <tatica> (latam list) 18:26:37 <kital> #action all fill the April Report with all content till 2010-05-02 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2010-04 18:27:28 <kital> susmit: will we procuce a publican version as well this time? 18:27:35 <kital> produce 18:27:59 <susmit> off course, yes 18:28:04 <kital> cool 18:28:19 <kital> spevack: can you setup the page on FAmSCo_report_2010-04? 18:28:25 <spevack> kital: yes 18:28:27 <susmit> I meant 'of course' 18:28:30 <susmit> :) 18:28:37 <ke4qqq> spevack: you don't need one more thing on your plate 18:28:39 <ke4qqq> I'll take that 18:28:39 <spevack> doing it now 18:28:41 <spevack> I'm doing it now 18:28:42 <ke4qqq> and get it done tonight 18:28:44 <ke4qqq> ohhh 18:28:46 <ke4qqq> ok 18:28:48 <kital> thanks ! ;) 18:28:52 <spevack> ke4qqq: if I can do it immediately, I just do it :) 18:29:25 <kital> lets move to the next topic 18:29:25 * ke4qqq is thinking about scripting that away using mw-render 18:30:14 <kital> ke4qqq: i need a intro to our survey software to create the mentoring survey ;) 18:30:33 <ke4qqq> kital: lets talk right after the meeting if that's ok - we can knock that out quickly 18:30:46 <kital> #topic next Ambassadors Mentors meeting 18:31:00 <kital> ke4qqq perfect 18:31:40 <kital> i just wanted to clarify that we had not a mentors meeting in April 18:31:41 <kital> # 18:31:54 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Mentors_Meeting_agenda 18:32:56 <kital> i just wanted your ok that we can take one hour from our meeting time - so the meeting can take place 19:00UTC on 2010-05-03 18:33:10 <kital> ok for all ? 18:33:26 <spevack> fine with me 18:33:32 <susmit> ok for me..we don't have long agenda anyway 18:33:46 <ke4qqq> kital: /me looked at the agenda 18:34:02 <ke4qqq> and don't see anything that we need to really decide - is that just discussion points for the mentors meeting? 18:34:30 <kital> ke4qqq: 20:32 < kital> i just wanted your ok that we can take one hour from our meeting time - so the meeting can take place 19:00UTC on 2010-05-03 18:35:12 <kital> and of course - want to take all your points to these meeting that famsco wanted to raise there 18:35:42 <kital> is there something that famsco want the mentors working on? 18:35:56 <spevack> hmmm 18:36:18 <ke4qqq> I guess my question is - what are we hoping to accomplish - if it's just to promulgate policy (which most of those points like talking to parents of minors seem to be) why are we having a meeting - do those points require explanation or?? 18:36:39 <tatica> I will like to add a page to review 18:36:41 <ke4qqq> are we looking for feedback? 18:36:45 <tatica> is in spanish 18:36:47 <tatica> for mentors 18:37:10 <kital> ke4qqq: meetings are done to stimulate and evolve 18:37:19 <tatica> this is the mail that I send to all the kids who ask me for mentorship 18:37:48 <tatica> I would be happy if someone could read it this week and maybe, make a faq http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:tatica/Mentor 18:37:56 <kital> ke4qqq: to have a forum where you get heared 18:38:12 <kital> tatica: thanks! 18:38:33 <kital> ah i can not help you 18:38:39 <kital> i can not read it ;) 18:38:49 <tatica> jejejej I can translate when the meeting is over 18:38:52 <spevack> tatica: i can read it :) 18:38:58 * tatica now have time!!! flisol IS OVER! 18:39:21 <kital> ok lets have open floor if nothing more is to add here 18:39:23 <spevack> #action spevack read over http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:tatica/Mentor 18:39:33 <spevack> I have a topic 18:39:37 <spevack> F13 media. 18:39:46 <kital> #topic F13 Media 18:39:52 <spevack> We're in process of sorting it out in NA with Clint Savage and EMEA with Sascha Spreitzer 18:40:01 <spevack> But I don't know what the plans are for India, APAC, and LATAM. 18:40:10 <tatica> ! 18:40:14 <spevack> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Media_production 18:40:18 <spevack> tatica: go ahead 18:40:43 <tatica> see this => http://www.flickr.com/photos/deivinsontejeda/4546494367/in/set-72157623791441105/ 18:41:23 <tatica> those are the paper case that RodrigoPadula gave me when I was at Brazil... we print them and they look nice 18:41:31 <tatica> and cheap than print a dvd 18:41:35 <spevack> pretty nice. I wonder what tatica and RodrigoPadula think about how we should produce F13 media and spread it around LATAM. 18:42:03 <tatica> I think is better to let the people but their own dvd and send other item 18:42:05 <tatica> for example 18:42:35 <spevack> tatica: so, just set aside budget for when people need it, but not make any centralized giant pile of media? 18:42:45 <RodrigoPadula> I think we can talk again to all ambassadors in latam 18:42:52 <tatica> yes, but to provide the items 18:43:07 <RodrigoPadula> so one ambassador for each country will be responsible by produce media and share locally 18:43:16 <RodrigoPadula> like we did in FLISOL 18:43:29 <RodrigoPadula> people interested can request budget directly to famsco 18:43:31 <tatica> hmmm 18:43:32 <RodrigoPadula> will be better 18:43:50 <RodrigoPadula> in the region we have some problems with custons 18:43:56 <RodrigoPadula> and taxes 18:44:11 <tatica> spevack, I try to help some guys with their budgets 18:44:18 <RodrigoPadula> the shipment to foreign countris are very expensive in the region 18:44:27 <tatica> spevack, did you had any problem with any of them? everything work well? 18:45:12 <tatica> hmmm I got a better idea 18:45:14 <spevack> everything went really well. Assuming everyone eventually gives me their receipts, it will be great. Right now I have about $3k USD out of my own pocket waiting for receipts so Red Hat can pay me back, but I am confident that it will all work out :) 18:45:28 <tatica> document on the wiki all the ideas to make things work and discuss on the next meeting 18:45:48 <tatica> I can take some of the experiences from this event and try to make plan A, B... to the Z 18:46:20 <tatica> but if we are already making latam grow... we should not stop argue this, just have several plans to solve any situation 18:46:41 <kital> tatica RodrigoPadula can you give us numbers till next meeting? 18:47:12 <tatica> the next meeting, sure 18:47:14 <tatica> :D 18:47:15 <RodrigoPadula> kital, numbers of ? 18:47:27 <tatica> Neville is already working on the expenses of everything we request for flisol 18:47:33 <kital> estimated budget 18:47:33 <tatica> that can give us some estimated 18:47:38 <RodrigoPadula> I dont know 18:47:57 <RodrigoPadula> if all interested people reply our email, sure 18:47:59 <kital> i know that for emea 1600 medias are ok! 18:48:11 <kital> maybe some more but that is a estimated number 18:48:12 <tatica> great 18:48:31 <RodrigoPadula> if we will work with local production 18:48:37 <tatica> but like I said, I know some guys will rather that money on some other expenses... like t-shirts, flyers, ... 18:48:46 <RodrigoPadula> we will need a local feedback from each contry 18:49:12 <spevack> I think the model of just getting budget into the hands of community members in different countries and letting them do what is best is working fine. 18:49:13 <kital> tatica RodrigoPadula - ok lets try to get it done till next week 18:49:19 <spevack> kital: can I ask one other question? 18:49:20 <RodrigoPadula> ok 18:49:22 <kital> spevack: 18:49:25 <kital> sure 18:49:28 <tatica> :) 18:49:47 <spevack> Remember the thread about 500 F12 CDs for Ghana? You mentioned that we should wait to see what you have left. 18:50:37 <kital> spevack: i have only minor numbers left 18:50:45 <spevack> ok. 18:50:46 <kital> i told you the next day 18:50:50 <spevack> kital: i forgot :) 18:50:58 <kital> i send 100 to an event in praque 18:51:01 <spevack> right! 18:51:02 <kital> last weekend 18:51:40 <spevack> ok -- I know how I will get the 500 CDs :) 18:51:42 <kital> spevack: i will send all what i have left to Pierros 18:51:44 <spevack> end of topic :) 18:51:50 <kital> another 100 maybe 18:52:07 <kital> spevack: did oyu find a way to send the idlelo people the money 18:52:16 <kital> it was a bit strange right ? 18:52:19 <spevack> kital: i will follow up on that this week. 18:52:34 <kital> spevack: cool ;) 18:53:03 <tatica> btw, I save some money for the 12 conferences I will give this next 3 months spevack 18:53:22 <spevack> that's fine, tatica 18:54:29 <kital> other points to raise before we end? 18:54:51 <spevack> nope 18:54:55 <tatica> nu 18:56:13 <susmit> no 18:56:23 <kital> oki 18:56:26 <kital> #endmeeting