18:00:30 #startmeeting famsco-meeting 2010-April-26 18:00:31 Meeting started Mon Apr 26 18:00:30 2010 UTC. The chair is kital. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:33 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:45 #topic Roll Call 18:00:51 Joerg Simon 18:00:55 * tatica = Maria Gracia Leandro 18:01:03 David Nalley 18:01:07 #chair spevack 18:01:07 Current chairs: kital spevack 18:01:55 hi RodrigoPadula ;) just in time for Roll Call 18:02:08 Max Spevack is here :) 18:02:21 I'm here! 18:03:30 ok - like sumit suggested we will move to have a short meeting - agenda is short and we all have pending tasks 18:03:36 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda 18:03:59 lets start reviewing old action items 18:04:04 #topic reviewing old action items 18:04:39 spevack: i saw that you closed a lot ticket in famsco trac 18:04:56 spevack: can we close "Delete old tickets with private info, then open famsco's trac instance to the public. " 18:04:59 ? 18:05:15 kital: not yet, actually. I went through all of my tickets and closed a bunch for FLISOL, but I still need to look at private info 18:05:28 ok! 18:06:15 ke4qqq: David thanks for clarify the Campus Ambassadors Issue 18:06:16 http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2010-April/000157.html 18:06:50 I saw rsc's question as well 18:07:02 but based on how Jack set things up - I don't think we have oversight 18:07:50 anything Jack did can be undone. The question with Campus Ambassadors should always be "what's the best model for this *TODAY* and then go from there. 18:07:52 yes - even if they have ambassadors in the name famsco is not responsible for this group 18:08:27 As a leadership body in Fedora we should ask "who does have accountability for Campus Ambassadors, and do those people have the resources they need?" 18:08:34 what's the answer to that? do we know? 18:08:42 despite emea Ambassadors have a consens that it is waste of ressources 18:08:55 i believe to sence the same from the indian community 18:09:11 yes 18:09:42 spevack: my understanding was that commarch had them as a separate budget. I assume the people doing the work there are responsible 18:09:48 is the budget issue not the case? 18:10:09 * ke4qqq doesn't want to burden a budding group with unnecessary overhead 18:10:13 ke4qqq: if someone asks me for budget, it will be found, but I don't have a specific campus ambassadors line item. 18:10:14 from what i could see at one of the last famsco meetings - biertie is the president? of that group 18:10:22 20:12:31 We are starting the campus ambassadors program again 18:10:25 20:12:40 and I am elected as the 'president' 18:10:31 spevack: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-02-17/fedora-meeting.2010-02-17-20.05.log.html 18:10:44 well, ok then :) 18:10:50 spevack: there was a long discussion about it in several meetings - emea and famsco 18:11:51 spevack: most emea ambassadors share rsc question 18:11:52 20:23:16 I don't really get why we need "campusambassadors"? Why can't regular ambassadors do that as well? And how will you ensure that "campusambassadors" are knowledged enough? 18:12:50 I share that question as well. I think we're making some arbitrary distinctions. In my mind: Campus Ambassadors are Fedora Ambassadors who happen to focus their work at the university, college, or high school they attend. 18:12:55 but ke4qqq checked back with them and we are out of this issue - they have own budget outside from the famsco budget 18:13:06 If someone like Bert wants to have a leadership role and try to keep those ambassadors organized, that's great! 18:13:11 but there should be a lot of overlap. 18:13:21 * ke4qqq really hopes we don't go down this rabbit hole again - no one has asked us for anything. (aside from the question from rsc) so there isn't really a decision here to be made I think - I think if they ask for something we tackle it, but they haven't to my knowledge 18:13:42 * spevack is not trying to drag us down a rabbit hole :) 18:14:01 * ke4qqq isn't infering that you are - but we spent 30 minutes on this last meeting - with no resolution 18:14:05 ke4qqq: if you read the log you see it is an issue in emea and this was the reason to clarify it 18:14:20 and ok - famsco is out of business here! 18:14:21 I missed last week due to my speech to college students going 2 hours instead of 1 :P 18:14:52 kital: i think for now we can set this aside, yes. Let's give Bert and others a chance to lay out their vision. When they need resources, they'll get what they need. That's no problem. 18:15:05 I don't think they are doing anything at this point that we think we need to get involved in. at least that's my standpoint - they have some leadership trying to jumpstart things - lets encourage and offer assistance if they ask for it, and move on otherwise. 18:15:25 spevack: from what i can read they have a clear agenda https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Campus_Ambassadors 18:16:15 but again - i see only a smaller scope - but in india 90% of Ambassadors would match this scope - universitiees 18:16:18 ... 18:17:04 is there something for us to decide here? 18:17:15 I don't think there is. 18:17:27 ke4qqq: no thanks for clarification 18:17:35 ke4qqq: no, thanks for clarification 18:18:24 susmit lfoppiano any progress with Call for action F13 Release Parties - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty 18:18:27 ? 18:18:44 kital, not yet. 18:19:09 susmit: maybe draft a call for action to post on planet till next week? 18:19:12 But I have some time tomorrow and work on it 18:19:23 super - any feedback from lfoppiano 18:19:23 and will work on it 18:19:24 ? 18:19:26 I can start help with F13 RP 18:19:35 I'm done with FLISoL, so I can giva hand here 18:19:49 *give a 18:19:57 tatica: were you happy with FLISOL? 18:20:20 2200 people make my day happier :D and 60 new users too 18:20:22 tatica: all help is welcome, susmit please involve tatica ;) 18:20:26 tatica: WOW!!!!! 18:20:30 sure 18:20:49 tatica: that's awesome 18:21:36 super tatica! 18:21:42 I still don't have the resume yet... I'm still working in some issues about that, but this week I should send the data 18:21:51 also the recipes to you spevack (sorry the delay) 18:22:02 was RodrigoPadula also involved in flisol (sorry for having no idea ;) ? 18:22:21 about flisol 18:22:38 I request to all brazilians that participated to write a blog post and add to the planet 18:22:38 spevack, we had +6000 people in venezuela.. so I'm really happy :D 18:23:04 tatica: that's incredible. I'm happy for you! 18:23:10 RodrigoPadula: i hope you were also successful with FLISOL? 18:23:12 this week we will have some neus about 18:23:21 spevack, yes 18:23:29 we participated in many states in brasil 18:23:29 * ke4qqq is amazed at the draw conferences outside NA are able to have 18:23:36 from the north to the south 18:23:42 great to collect all these reports for our FAmSCo Report next Week! 18:23:52 yeah 18:24:12 what brings us to my next topic (i will connect my old action item with another agenda topic) 18:24:27 #topic FAmSCo Report April 18:24:29 ahhh we are working in a complete report for the entire region woo 18:24:30 http://proyectofedora.org/wiki/Reportes 18:25:21 nice it is. 18:25:51 i suggest to setup and fill the April Report with all content till 2010-05-02 - so we can approve it on our next meeting? 18:25:58 I hope we will have a lot with FLISOL in our April report. 18:26:02 kital: that is a good deadline 18:26:10 yes 18:26:17 I point that out into the list 18:26:28 (latam list) 18:26:37 #action all fill the April Report with all content till 2010-05-02 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2010-04 18:27:28 susmit: will we procuce a publican version as well this time? 18:27:35 produce 18:27:59 off course, yes 18:28:04 cool 18:28:19 spevack: can you setup the page on FAmSCo_report_2010-04? 18:28:25 kital: yes 18:28:27 I meant 'of course' 18:28:30 :) 18:28:37 spevack: you don't need one more thing on your plate 18:28:39 I'll take that 18:28:39 doing it now 18:28:41 I'm doing it now 18:28:42 and get it done tonight 18:28:44 ohhh 18:28:46 ok 18:28:48 thanks ! ;) 18:28:52 ke4qqq: if I can do it immediately, I just do it :) 18:29:25 lets move to the next topic 18:29:25 * ke4qqq is thinking about scripting that away using mw-render 18:30:14 ke4qqq: i need a intro to our survey software to create the mentoring survey ;) 18:30:33 kital: lets talk right after the meeting if that's ok - we can knock that out quickly 18:30:46 #topic next Ambassadors Mentors meeting 18:31:00 ke4qqq perfect 18:31:40 i just wanted to clarify that we had not a mentors meeting in April 18:31:41 # 18:31:54 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Mentors_Meeting_agenda 18:32:56 i just wanted your ok that we can take one hour from our meeting time - so the meeting can take place 19:00UTC on 2010-05-03 18:33:10 ok for all ? 18:33:26 fine with me 18:33:32 ok for me..we don't have long agenda anyway 18:33:46 kital: /me looked at the agenda 18:34:02 and don't see anything that we need to really decide - is that just discussion points for the mentors meeting? 18:34:30 ke4qqq: 20:32 < kital> i just wanted your ok that we can take one hour from our meeting time - so the meeting can take place 19:00UTC on 2010-05-03 18:35:12 and of course - want to take all your points to these meeting that famsco wanted to raise there 18:35:42 is there something that famsco want the mentors working on? 18:35:56 hmmm 18:36:18 I guess my question is - what are we hoping to accomplish - if it's just to promulgate policy (which most of those points like talking to parents of minors seem to be) why are we having a meeting - do those points require explanation or?? 18:36:39 I will like to add a page to review 18:36:41 are we looking for feedback? 18:36:45 is in spanish 18:36:47 for mentors 18:37:10 ke4qqq: meetings are done to stimulate and evolve 18:37:19 this is the mail that I send to all the kids who ask me for mentorship 18:37:48 I would be happy if someone could read it this week and maybe, make a faq http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:tatica/Mentor 18:37:56 ke4qqq: to have a forum where you get heared 18:38:12 tatica: thanks! 18:38:33 ah i can not help you 18:38:39 i can not read it ;) 18:38:49 jejejej I can translate when the meeting is over 18:38:52 tatica: i can read it :) 18:38:58 * tatica now have time!!! flisol IS OVER! 18:39:21 ok lets have open floor if nothing more is to add here 18:39:23 #action spevack read over http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:tatica/Mentor 18:39:33 I have a topic 18:39:37 F13 media. 18:39:46 #topic F13 Media 18:39:52 We're in process of sorting it out in NA with Clint Savage and EMEA with Sascha Spreitzer 18:40:01 But I don't know what the plans are for India, APAC, and LATAM. 18:40:10 ! 18:40:14 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Media_production 18:40:18 tatica: go ahead 18:40:43 see this => http://www.flickr.com/photos/deivinsontejeda/4546494367/in/set-72157623791441105/ 18:41:23 those are the paper case that RodrigoPadula gave me when I was at Brazil... we print them and they look nice 18:41:31 and cheap than print a dvd 18:41:35 pretty nice. I wonder what tatica and RodrigoPadula think about how we should produce F13 media and spread it around LATAM. 18:42:03 I think is better to let the people but their own dvd and send other item 18:42:05 for example 18:42:35 tatica: so, just set aside budget for when people need it, but not make any centralized giant pile of media? 18:42:45 I think we can talk again to all ambassadors in latam 18:42:52 yes, but to provide the items 18:43:07 so one ambassador for each country will be responsible by produce media and share locally 18:43:16 like we did in FLISOL 18:43:29 people interested can request budget directly to famsco 18:43:31 hmmm 18:43:32 will be better 18:43:50 in the region we have some problems with custons 18:43:56 and taxes 18:44:11 spevack, I try to help some guys with their budgets 18:44:18 the shipment to foreign countris are very expensive in the region 18:44:27 spevack, did you had any problem with any of them? everything work well? 18:45:12 hmmm I got a better idea 18:45:14 everything went really well. Assuming everyone eventually gives me their receipts, it will be great. Right now I have about $3k USD out of my own pocket waiting for receipts so Red Hat can pay me back, but I am confident that it will all work out :) 18:45:28 document on the wiki all the ideas to make things work and discuss on the next meeting 18:45:48 I can take some of the experiences from this event and try to make plan A, B... to the Z 18:46:20 but if we are already making latam grow... we should not stop argue this, just have several plans to solve any situation 18:46:41 tatica RodrigoPadula can you give us numbers till next meeting? 18:47:12 the next meeting, sure 18:47:14 :D 18:47:15 kital, numbers of ? 18:47:27 Neville is already working on the expenses of everything we request for flisol 18:47:33 estimated budget 18:47:33 that can give us some estimated 18:47:38 I dont know 18:47:57 if all interested people reply our email, sure 18:47:59 i know that for emea 1600 medias are ok! 18:48:11 maybe some more but that is a estimated number 18:48:12 great 18:48:31 if we will work with local production 18:48:37 but like I said, I know some guys will rather that money on some other expenses... like t-shirts, flyers, ... 18:48:46 we will need a local feedback from each contry 18:49:12 I think the model of just getting budget into the hands of community members in different countries and letting them do what is best is working fine. 18:49:13 tatica RodrigoPadula - ok lets try to get it done till next week 18:49:19 kital: can I ask one other question? 18:49:20 ok 18:49:22 spevack: 18:49:25 sure 18:49:28 :) 18:49:47 Remember the thread about 500 F12 CDs for Ghana? You mentioned that we should wait to see what you have left. 18:50:37 spevack: i have only minor numbers left 18:50:45 ok. 18:50:46 i told you the next day 18:50:50 kital: i forgot :) 18:50:58 i send 100 to an event in praque 18:51:01 right! 18:51:02 last weekend 18:51:40 ok -- I know how I will get the 500 CDs :) 18:51:42 spevack: i will send all what i have left to Pierros 18:51:44 end of topic :) 18:51:50 another 100 maybe 18:52:07 spevack: did oyu find a way to send the idlelo people the money 18:52:16 it was a bit strange right ? 18:52:19 kital: i will follow up on that this week. 18:52:34 spevack: cool ;) 18:53:03 btw, I save some money for the 12 conferences I will give this next 3 months spevack 18:53:22 that's fine, tatica 18:54:29 other points to raise before we end? 18:54:51 nope 18:54:55 nu 18:56:13 no 18:56:23 oki 18:56:26 #endmeeting