18:00:34 #startmeeting FAmSCo Meeting 2010-05-03 18:00:35 Meeting started Mon May 3 18:00:34 2010 UTC. The chair is kital. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:37 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:44 #topic Roll Call 18:00:47 susmit shannigrahi 18:00:48 Joerg Simon 18:01:40 #chair susmit spevack 18:01:40 Current chairs: kital spevack susmit 18:02:01 how's everyone doing? 18:02:23 spevack, fine..thank you. how are you doing? 18:02:24 spevack: busy with F13 18:02:26 ;) 18:03:20 we wait a bit - i pinged ke4qqq 18:03:21 I'm busy with expense reports :) 18:03:44 ping tatica 18:04:13 * ke4qqq is here 18:04:15 sorry 18:04:34 np ke4qqq still roll call 18:04:55 :) 18:06:00 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda 18:06:29 #topic current action items 18:07:12 anyone willing to add something here? 18:07:30 i saw that susmit addressed the call for Release Party 18:07:43 yes 18:07:46 and it was introduced also during the regional meetings by the certain famsco members 18:08:17 thanks susmit ! 18:08:18 http://susmit.wordpress.com/2010/04/29/call-for-fedora-13-release-events/ 18:08:28 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_release_events 18:08:29 the number/response is below expectation so far 18:08:51 I hope it will increase as the release approaches 18:08:57 maybe we should re-post it? 18:09:38 are we offering the same prize as last release?? or did we deicde to do away with that 18:09:59 we have the EMEA Africa Meeting this Wednesday and i suggest to try to make it a goal for African Contributors 18:10:04 who attend this event 18:10:07 ! 18:10:10 s/event/meeting 18:10:24 spevack: no need for meeting rule with 4 people only 18:10:57 So in the past, we offered sponsorship to FUDCon to the "best" release party. I'd like to know what others think about doing this again. My opinion... 18:11:16 o/ 18:11:18 is that it was ok. We had two winners last time. One was unable to go to FUDCon, but we'd sponsor him in the future 18:11:22 * tatica excuses for her delay 18:11:38 The other was an ambassador in APAC, and while we didn't sponsor FUDCon, we sponsored a trip to the Linux Foundation Summit. 18:11:55 It was a good trip for him and Fedora, but a giant pain from a money point of view. It took several months to get him all the funding back. 18:12:01 So administratively it was a pain in the ass 18:12:05 But overall, probably a good thing. 18:12:06 EOF 18:12:14 hi tatica we discuss - Release Parties - and if we want to offer a price sponsorship FUDCon to the "best" release party 18:12:24 ! 18:12:26 oh, oka 18:12:30 susmit: goon 18:12:32 * ke4qqq can't honestly comment on the perception of the 'prize' - esp from a non-NA perspective 18:13:32 I don't think we need to go for prizes..however, it is nice when some contributor earns his trip doing some good work 18:13:39 his/her 18:14:17 will offering a price motivate them more to make a Release Party 18:14:18 ? 18:14:36 how is the effect on the others who will not win? 18:14:45 i am a bit unsure about tis 18:14:46 this 18:14:48 kital, bad, of course 18:14:51 yeah - I can't imagine it's a huge motivation - though perhaps the being sent to nonfudcon 18:15:27 because i know that spevack and we all will do anything to help a deserved contributor to come to a fudcon anyway 18:15:32 ie - instead of reward it looks like more/better responsibility - the winner becomes $representative and $major event 18:15:41 kital: +1 18:16:05 hmm 18:16:16 I don't think that a release party prize should be a trip 18:16:25 tatica: what should it be? 18:16:31 anyone can do a release party, but that happens only 2 a year 18:17:04 tatica wants one release/month ;) 18:17:07 maybe send something to encourage them to set them as a team 18:17:37 such as? 18:17:54 maybe we should award all of them that provide a Report with pictures and a text? 18:17:58 with something 18:18:27 special t-shirts, a fedora bubble pillow... a coffee cup 18:18:36 that would be a good idea.. but that has to be cost effective. 18:18:41 what about a netbook? 18:18:53 hmm neither 18:18:58 or base caps as example i volunteer to organize the prizes if we have budget spevack? 18:19:01 I'm against unique prizes 18:19:10 I think that's what I'm trying to say :\ 18:19:21 ahhh so you are saying - rarely is it just one person 18:19:24 unique means? 18:19:24 a release party must be done by a group 18:19:27 yet we are focusing on rewarding one person 18:19:33 we have budget for whatever FAMSCO wants to do. 18:19:51 famsco wants ponies and fudcon in HI :) 18:19:54 ;) good but not easier hihi 18:20:05 the idea of a "prize" is to motivate people to do two things -- (1) to organize a nice release party which spreads Fedora in their area and (2) to reward them in a way that also encourages continued contribution 18:20:08 * tatica needs a bubble pillow... now 18:20:50 ke4qqq: netbook for all? 18:21:12 at 200-300 each 0 we could give a winning team each a netbook 18:21:25 and still likely be cheaper than a trip somewhere 18:21:33 but this is demotivating to the loser teams 18:22:10 but someone has to win - right??? how do we not demotivate? 18:22:24 in my opinion - i would feel bad if i had but efforts in it and see others win such a great prize - which really would be motivating this is for sure! 18:23:00 ke4qqq: as said provide a prize to all who provide a Event Report with Pictures on Fedora Planet - maybe? 18:23:19 and if we send something to engourage organization? like SFD do? 18:23:24 can be that possible? 18:23:26 kital: if we don't announce it 18:23:37 could be a spezial T-Shirt - exclusive "i am a Release Event Winner" 18:23:37 otherwise I am putting on an event just to get a netbook or $prize 18:23:49 Event Report with Pictures 18:24:31 my proposal is we sponsor a team lunch for every team who provide an even report (upto a certain limit)..that should not cost much and we can cover every team. I don't know how that sounds. 18:24:47 ooohhh 18:24:49 I like that one! 18:24:55 lunch +1 18:25:21 but still... I want a fedora bubble pillow u_U 18:25:28 spevack: does the overhead from that sounds like it's worse/better than what we did last release 18:25:35 +1 - unannounced to have it as a surprise afterwards 18:25:47 sounds fine to me. 18:26:02 kital: unannounced except for anyone who reads these meeting logs :D 18:26:06 :) 18:26:08 exactly 18:26:14 spevack: no one reads this right?? :) 18:26:25 * ke4qqq sets about planning his release party :) 18:26:29 ke4qqq, no. I know a few people who does 18:26:32 sankarshan does! 18:26:53 and a few other people too. 18:27:18 lol 18:27:18 ok..if it is settled, we can move. 18:27:27 kital, spevack ? 18:27:49 #agreed to have team-lunch as prize for every Release Event Team with an detailed Event Report 18:27:51 ok 18:28:03 #topic April Report 18:28:42 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2010-04 18:28:59 thanks to Max for setting it up and all who worked on it - 18:29:16 * spevack takes a look 18:29:21 i would say ready for release or can you think on any 18:29:23 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2010-04#General_accomplishments_or_decisions 18:29:27 ? 18:29:33 what i missed for April 18:30:20 maybe our decission on Campus Ambassadors "it is not in famsco scope"? 18:30:31 yes 18:32:08 searching 18:34:04 * Subsequent to Davids research we have no actionable items for FAmSCo, and consider it outside our purview. 18:34:26 the regional section is pretty light... 18:34:31 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2010-04#General_accomplishments_or_decisions 18:34:34 * spevack searches for the Texas Linux Fest reports to add 18:34:37 I know there were some of those 18:34:46 Latam and india - yes 18:34:59 yeah - I couldn't find blogs - and they weren't on the page 18:35:40 ke4qqq: i'm adding them now 18:35:54 i also sended swag to praque for Marek but got no event report 18:36:03 s/sended/sent 18:36:37 kital: that's been a problem in NA as well - though things are much better this month. 18:36:55 spevack: thanks 18:37:08 ke4qqq: done 18:38:22 marek told me he will write on about praque 18:38:32 so should we release it or wait 18:38:41 yes. we have had the same problem here too 18:38:52 tatica: all the flisol events had a lot reports 18:38:54 * tatica needs to do her report urgent 18:39:06 Let's give tatica 24 hours to get FLISOL stuff in, then release it. 18:39:15 thank you, really 18:39:26 ok! 18:39:30 If there are not reports from India, perhaps Susmit could add a line saying "this is empty because we're not seeing event reports. Let's do better!" 18:39:30 ok 18:39:46 It would be a real shame to release the April report without the FLISOL stuff that we know exists. 18:39:50 There were lots of FLISOL blogs 18:39:54 it's important to include them 18:40:00 +1 - and perhaps call it out at regional meetings - I complained last month at the NA meeting and it seems to have gotten substantially better 18:40:00 tatica did a huge amount of work 18:40:09 no, there was no event for this month. I was referring to earlier instances where people has not submitted report. 18:40:42 we really have to address - no Report no SWAG ;) 18:41:08 and explain why it's important 18:41:23 +1 yes 18:41:32 much mir important ;) 18:41:38 s/mir/more 18:42:47 #agreed new deadline for April FAmSCo Report 23:00 UTC 2010-05-04 18:42:55 next we have 18:43:03 #topic open floor 18:43:22 anyone anything? 18:43:26 yeah 18:43:45 go on 18:44:02 I don't necessarily think there's a decision to be made, but I spend a lot of time worrying, and watching, the general level of anger/annoyance/flames in Fedora going up. 18:44:09 I know that last week's EMEA ambassador meeting had some tension 18:44:27 There was an email from Kevin Kofler on devel-list about his frustrations at a FESCO member. 18:45:09 I worry, especially as we are starting the process of finding our next FPL -- and I know that I am just an old dinosaur -- but I worry about what is changing, or has changed, in Fedora 18:45:18 where contribution is less fun, less rewarding, than in the past. 18:45:24 Another example is Chitlesh and FEL. 18:45:39 I know this is a dumb topic for a meeting -- since the 4 of us aren't going to change anything 18:45:42 today 18:45:51 but I worry a lot about what seems to be a lot more anger in Fedora than some years ago... 18:46:01 And what we, as at least one leadership group, can do about it. 18:46:02 EOF 18:46:45 spevack i think as Ambassadors we have more responsibility to follow our Conduct as all others because we have to present them to the public 18:47:41 i think it might be good to address this as a FAmSCo Reminder to the Ambassadors List 18:47:51 ? 18:48:19 well, I am not too sure 18:48:23 i have drafted something already for another case maybe we can take and reshape it for the list 18:48:26 With over 600 Ambassadors contributing to Fedora - we developed together our way of meritocracy, rules, structures and our code of conduct and our culture. In our Ambassdors Code of Conduct we agree to have "some important rules to follow" to have the freedom to contribute in a peacefull and respectfull way! 18:48:32 And "Like any friends, we occasionally disagree on details, but we believe in finding an acceptable consensus to serve the interests of 18:48:35 advancing free software." 18:48:38 as example 18:48:43 there is only positive things in it 18:49:05 eof 18:49:22 I worry that frustration stems for a sense of lack of control or input - FEL strikes me that way - at least perception wise - regardless of what the facts are (because perception is reality) 18:49:45 at least with volunteers 18:49:56 which is the vast majority of our community 18:51:01 I actually think we've done a good job of decentralizing things - and that we need to continue to do that- when people feel control/ownership/that their input is valued they tend to be less frustrated, even if they don't get their way. 18:51:15 but I am just rambling..... 18:51:37 the we, btw, in the above sentence is ambassadors 18:52:33 that and we prolly need to grow beyond shoving out 2 releases a year as far as purpose goes - iterating that is bound to frustrate if it's not part of something bigger 18:53:04 true 18:53:09 very true 18:53:38 suggestions? 18:55:10 * spevack is out of things to say right now 18:55:40 We need more interaction within the teams..that is minimal at this point of time. That is also a cause for frustration. 18:55:40 that we are empowered as a body to implement?? - I think spevack is very right about that. leading by example - asking for input - etc. I am always struck at how spevack, for instance, constantly goes around the room and asks people, esp new people for their opinion. I don't know if that's conscious decision on his point, or just natural. 18:57:03 * ke4qqq is again blathering.... 18:57:07 i am biased today because - my example was accused not relevant ;) 18:57:30 * tatica already send her report, now goes to the wiki 18:57:53 clarify - my try to lead by example was accused not to be relevant 18:58:42 kital: I don't know that it fits in that particular situation - I was referring to the larger frustration spevack was talking about - I'd actually argue it's the reverse in that particular situation 18:58:52 so let stay it as a monition or puzzle from max to have something we can think over 18:59:15 +1 19:00:07 yes 19:00:37 ok - should we end then? 19:00:44 all ok with that? 19:01:09 I really can't give an oppinion in this topic 19:01:30 yeah 19:01:35 ok - then thanks all for coming ;) 19:01:39 #endmeeting