18:02:38 #startmeeting famsco meeting 2010-05-31 18:02:38 Meeting started Mon May 31 18:02:38 2010 UTC. The chair is kital. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:02:38 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:02:51 #topic RollCall 18:02:55 Susmit Shannigrahi 18:03:00 David Nalley 18:03:00 Joerg Simon 18:03:07 Maria Leandro 18:03:33 the inner circle ;) 18:04:43 hello tatica ke4qqq susmit 18:04:53 ??? 18:05:04 susmit: yes? 18:05:28 no, nothing, I was looking for the agenda 18:05:41 * kital was waiting for more famsco members attend 18:05:46 but seems that is all 18:05:50 what we get today 18:05:57 kital, seems so 18:05:57 I'm in a work meeting, but I'm here :\ 18:05:57 Agenda today 18:05:58 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda 18:06:56 current action items 18:07:07 #topic current action items 18:07:36 Max is not here - we skip famsco trac instance 18:07:50 I am not yet working on it, but I hope to complete it this week. I was busy attending FADs and all. 18:08:10 susmit any news to ambassadors faq and to the release parties 18:08:11 ? 18:08:13 I was referring to FAQ 18:08:19 ok ;) 18:08:25 understood 18:08:51 the release events are going on nicely 18:09:15 I shall waiting for a few weeks before all the events are done 18:09:22 eof 18:09:30 seems the link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty is refering to F12 18:10:04 ah here it is https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_release_events 18:10:38 seems apac is on top by the numbers 18:11:06 anyway - thanks susmit for working on it 18:11:07 ;) 18:11:51 survey draft - i hope to work on it pretty soon 18:12:04 but is not my top priority 18:12:08 right now 18:12:42 new business 18:12:57 #topic Ambassador topics for future Release Schedules 18:13:26 we agreed to collect input from all the regions 18:13:51 i have to admit that i could not bring it to a emea meeting till now 18:14:17 anyone more input on that so we can bring it up to a discussion with john 18:14:21 ? 18:14:25 nothing from me 18:14:38 ke4qqq tatica ? 18:14:41 none from me 18:14:52 nop 18:15:07 ok lets keep it as a action item for june? 18:15:20 yes 18:15:25 worksforme 18:16:42 #action famsco members collect regional input for special Ambassador topics for future Release Schedules 18:17:09 #topic can the famsco report be moved into a generic location? 18:17:25 this was raised by mether during the last africa meeting 18:17:45 only if someone finds a more suitable location. I have no time/energy to look or the same 18:17:55 but migrating is very easy 18:17:57 from my pov we have a generic location in the wiki with the wiki version 18:18:36 and the location for the "beautified" version is ok for me because the other reports are not lost, they stay in the wiki 18:18:56 right? 18:19:39 I have no option, others may be able to say 18:19:52 ke4qqq tatica? 18:20:07 those doing the work make the decisions, so susmits opinion works for me 18:20:30 ok than we leave it as it is! 18:20:46 ok...let's move 18:21:09 #agreed famsco report is produced with an "official" Report in the Wiki 18:21:26 #topic SOP might be useful similar to how infrastructure and marketing documents the steps 18:21:40 this was also raised by mether 18:21:55 sops for what? 18:22:03 famsco report 18:22:45 and what does that mean?? 18:23:01 honest - i do not know 18:23:03 I mean how is it going to hepl? 18:23:06 help 18:23:32 as we have a template for the report we have a Standard operating procedure 18:24:05 #action kital ask mether for clarification on SOP for famsco report 18:24:30 #topic Discussion on Additional Restrictions on Ambassadors Membership 18:25:00 David raised this to the famsco list - and i would love to see what all the others think of this 18:25:12 ke4qqq: want anything to add to your email 18:25:18 http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2010-May/000187.html 18:25:23 I shall reply 18:25:25 generally that I am against raising additional barriers 18:25:28 on the list 18:26:11 susmit: yes we should use the list more than to announce the next meeting 18:26:18 ;) 18:26:43 yes, but I was busy with some personal things 18:26:46 so could not 18:26:52 but I promise I would 18:26:55 :) 18:26:56 susmit: no no i mean this in general 18:26:58 including me 18:27:03 ;) 18:27:12 yes, that I got :) 18:27:58 i am honest i feel that we lose the drive we had in the first two month 18:28:08 yes, indeed 18:28:33 sorry, back 18:28:37 but I am responsible for it too, 18:28:41 this may be owed to the f13 release and the work we all have done related to it 18:29:04 kital, may be 18:29:05 we all are 18:29:23 for me, it;s not the reason, but I was busy anyway :) 18:29:59 ke4qqq: i also think it is not necessary to raise the barriers 18:30:12 ke4qqq, kital I agree 18:30:38 at the same time, I worry about whether the mentor program is sustainable if it's nothing more htan a filter 18:30:41 for 90% 18:30:54 ke4qqq: if you write frustration than it means - the mentor invests a lot of time and the mentee just disappears? 18:31:13 kital: exactly - that frustration seems to be demoralizing 18:31:40 ke4qqq: the filter is that someone has actively to choose a mentor and start the communication 18:31:44 I shall write on the list in details 18:31:50 mentoring is different from that 18:31:59 I think we can improve upon it 18:32:12 kital: yes, but even once the get to having chosen a mentor and communicated we still lose 80-90% of those people as well 18:32:21 yes lets discuss more on the list about this topic 18:32:26 +1 18:32:27 it is 18:32:30 +1 18:32:33 and more when you see those new ambassadors claim that they create X thing on the community... and they don't 18:33:16 * tatica have a huge lag 18:33:31 #agreed to proceed the discussion on Discussion on Additional Restrictions on Ambassadors Membership - on the famsco mailing list 18:34:08 i also suggest if we have stated our opinions we should invite the Mentors to a next Mentors Meeting 18:34:34 and when it is? 18:34:51 because i see that there are also regional differences - in EMEA Robert is doing the most mentoring work and has other expiriences 18:34:55 we should likely have this discussion on f-a-l as well - to get mentor and member input before springing it on them in a meeting 18:35:30 ke4qqq: i am not sure 18:35:54 because most ambassadors do not really know - and also not care - about the membership process 18:36:34 i also think too much people involved in membership discussion and self is distractive 18:36:40 oh moment 18:36:47 was not ready 18:38:00 i also think too much people involved in membership discussion can be distractive from the purpose to be Ambassadors 18:38:23 but i really think that the input from all mentors is very valuable 18:38:37 so the discussion could proceed on the mentors list? 18:39:08 wherever 18:39:30 but mentors list seems reasonable 18:39:44 s/valuable/imperative to make a decission 18:39:54 ke4qqq: ? ok for yo 18:39:56 u 18:40:10 kital, I am sorry, but I have to goo now 18:40:18 do you mind? 18:40:21 susmit: i wish you a good flight 18:40:30 kital, thank 18:40:32 bye 18:40:36 we proceed on the ml anyway thanks for being here 18:41:51 ke4qqq tatica should we finish? 18:42:08 sure 18:42:54 thanks all for attending 18:42:58 #endmeeting