18:05:15 <kital> #startmeeting famsco-meeting 2010-06-07 18:05:15 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jun 7 18:05:15 2010 UTC. The chair is kital. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:05:15 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:05:25 <kital> #chair spevack 18:05:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: kital spevack 18:05:33 <kital> #topic RollCall 18:05:34 <spevack> susmit_: you must be really excited. 18:05:37 <spevack> I'm really happy for you! 18:06:03 <susmit_> spevack, yes, I am....thanks. :) 18:06:16 <susmit_> kital, I plan to complete my Ph.D and then become a locomotive driver...so maybe I won't need the Dr. 18:06:21 <susmit_> ;) 18:06:23 <spevack> heh 18:06:25 <kital> susmit_: haha 18:06:43 <susmit_> let's get started 18:06:47 <kital> sure 18:06:49 <kital> JoergSimon 18:06:50 <susmit_> Susmit Shannigrahi 18:06:54 <spevack> Max Spevack 18:07:11 <spevack> hi john 18:07:27 <kital> Agenda https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda 18:08:04 <kital> lets start with 18:08:13 <kital> #topic current action items 18:08:44 <kital> still no update from my side regarding the mentors-survey 18:08:56 <kital> spevack: Delete old tickets with private info, then open famsco's trac instance to the public. 18:09:04 <kital> any update on this ? 18:09:08 <spevack> that never got done, because I am awful. 18:09:12 <spevack> I closed some tickets last week. 18:09:14 <kital> spevack: ;) 18:09:18 <spevack> And I saw some activity on a few over the weekend. 18:09:37 <spevack> Most reimbursements have been made, with the exception of some of the F13 release parties, which just happened, and I know Neville needs some money, which I will send. 18:10:09 <spevack> Things are a bit odd -- because FUDCon LATAM also needs money (a lot of it), and some of that will have to come from PayPal, which means out of my own pocket, so I'm trying to figure out how much money I can "lend" Red Hat at any one time before I can file expense reports. 18:10:14 <spevack> that's kind of my update. 18:10:24 <susmit_> How about finding a couple of hours , may be three which suits everyone and having a 'FAmSCo FAD' so that we can get rid of the tasks? 18:11:10 <kital> susmit_: yes this is something we all could need - too many construction sides 18:11:25 <spevack> I think that's a great idea, susmit_ 18:11:46 <spevack> I think we should use the next famsco meeting, and another hour either before or after it. what do people think? 18:11:58 <kital> spevack: +1 18:12:01 <susmit_> +1 from me 18:12:07 <kital> lfoppiano: ? 18:12:51 <lfoppiano> +1 18:12:54 <kital> #agreed to organize the next famsco meeting as a famsco fad to get rid of the current tasks! 18:13:31 <kital> #action kital announce famsco fad to all famsco members 18:14:00 <kital> #topic Clarify what SOP for the monthly Report means 18:14:02 <spevack> having 2 hours where I'm forced to do nothing but famsco tickets will be good for me :) 18:14:36 <susmit_> :), we can finish our items too 18:14:47 <kital> exactly 18:15:47 <kital> i asked mether about the question regarding SOP - no new input here - his main idea was the place where the "nice" report is stored 18:15:56 <spevack> Regarding the monthly report..... 18:15:57 <kital> and this is already clarified in the last meeting 18:16:12 * spevack quiets down 18:16:17 <kital> no no spevack 18:16:20 <kital> ;) 18:16:31 <kital> go ahead 18:17:10 <kital> spevack: something more on this topic? 18:17:20 <kital> we come to the may report later 18:17:23 <spevack> ok 18:17:25 <spevack> nothing to add then 18:17:58 <kital> #topic call for action "we agreed to proceed the discussion on Discussion on Additional Restrictions on Ambassadors Membership - on the famsco mailing list" 18:18:22 <kital> just a reminder to all (including me) that we wanted to discuss this on the ml 18:18:31 <kital> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2010-May/000187.html 18:19:02 <kital> i will straight move to the next topic 18:19:16 <kital> #topic New Wiki Pages for the Ambassadors Joining Process 18:19:19 <susmit_> yes, and I never took out the time to write the reply....lazy me. 18:19:22 * spevack will read on the mailing list :) 18:19:55 <kital> herlo and bochecha and many other made efforts to build the Ambassadors joining process 18:20:02 <kital> more clear 18:20:23 <kital> in form of a "wizard-style" - step by step procedure 18:20:36 <kital> i already clarified some changes with herlo 18:20:44 <spevack> https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Joining_Ambassadors&action=history 18:20:44 <kital> and want to ask you to give your input as well 18:21:00 <spevack> We did a *little* bit of work on this page during the NA FEdora Ambassador Day 18:21:01 <kital> it starts here 18:21:03 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_start 18:21:03 <spevack> and Rahul did a bit more. 18:21:25 <kital> and the wizard-style starts here 18:21:26 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_create_user_page 18:21:29 <bochecha> kital, the buttons are all handled with the style in HTML atm, which is a really bad thing to do. I did it this way as I don't have access to the CSS, but it should really be moved to the CSS 18:21:45 <kital> bochecha: the buttons are great 18:21:58 <bochecha> kital, look at the source of the page, it's ugly ;) 18:21:59 <spevack> well, the first thing I would do is take my name off of it :) 18:21:59 <kital> we could use another one for the first page "Click here" 18:22:04 <spevack> it's not about me 18:22:32 <kital> spevack: this is an email from you where you pointed out the purpose of an Ambassador in a perfect way 18:22:58 <kital> this should be valued - community decission i guess 18:23:00 <kital> ;) 18:23:03 <spevack> kital: I like what the email says, but I think we can just take what's in the email and put it on the page :) 18:23:17 <spevack> it is pretty good. :P /me pats himself on the back 18:23:50 <kital> bochecha: it does the job ! 18:24:12 <spevack> hmmm 18:24:12 <kital> bochecha: contact gwerra for help with css 18:24:30 <bochecha> kital, will do 18:24:39 <kital> i also changed the MembershipService Page today 18:24:43 <kital> to the new links 18:24:48 <spevack> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/3_simple_questions 18:24:55 <spevack> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_start 18:24:59 <spevack> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Joining_Ambassadors 18:25:04 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService 18:25:06 <spevack> Seems to me all three of these can be combined into one, perhaps? 18:25:33 <kital> and the join message for the group join is now also changed and has not to be sent by hand anymore 18:25:47 <kital> spevack: this is something a native speaker should do 18:25:59 <bochecha> spevack, I think herlo aimed to replace the /Joining_Ambassadors page with the first one of the wizard 18:26:54 <kital> i just wanted to ask to go through all the "wizard" pages and make your cosmetic 18:26:59 <kital> i made mine today 18:27:10 * spevack understands 18:27:10 <kital> so herlo can finalize it soon 18:27:46 * susmit_ thinks that the three points should be replaced by the point spevack made 18:28:10 <susmit_> the earlier ones are too vague... 18:29:25 <susmit_> and all those people who apply may meet the criteria, but all of them will not make it to the ambassador group. 18:29:27 <susmit_> eof 18:30:01 <kital> ok lets make it so? 18:30:29 <kital> should we redirect 3_simple_questions 18:30:36 <kital> to Ambassadors_Join_start 18:30:38 <kital> ? 18:31:30 <susmit_> well, maybe. I mean the three questions does not adequately cover the qualities needed for becoming an ambassador 18:32:02 <kital> susmit_: so should we mark them for deletion then? 18:32:52 <susmit_> I don't know...there are so many pages that it is a mess. 18:33:49 <kital> susmit_: delete or redirect them 18:33:56 <kital> remove the link on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors#Joining_the_Fedora_Ambassadors_Project 18:34:05 <kital> and make the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_start 18:34:19 <kital> the starting point as soon as possible 18:34:24 <spevack> I think the "3 simple questions" should be redirected into the new pages, and removed from [[Ambassadors]] 18:34:28 <kital> if you agree - today 18:35:19 <susmit_> +1 18:35:29 <kital> ok 18:35:50 <spevack> keep in mind that https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors 18:35:58 <spevack> still https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors#Joining_the_Fedora_Ambassadors_Project 18:36:00 <kital> #action kital work on the wiki to make the joining pages consitent 18:36:09 <spevack> that link should always point people to the "best" place to go next. 18:36:32 <spevack> right now it sends people to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Joining_Ambassadors 18:36:40 <spevack> it looks like we'll have to change that eventually 18:36:55 <kital> as soon we are all fine with the new one 18:37:06 <kital> we can all redirect to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_start 18:37:32 <kital> i used it during the last week and candidates seems to like and understand it 18:37:54 <kital> as i know spevack he is already editing the wiki ;) 18:38:05 <susmit_> #redirect done 18:39:36 <kital> for the 3_simple_questions - great 18:40:15 <kital> i will look into this later after the meeting 18:40:25 <kital> lets move to the next topic? 18:40:35 <susmit_> sure 18:41:06 <spevack> i am 18:41:18 <spevack> i also paused to fix the printer here for all the sales people :) 18:41:23 <spevack> I wear a tshirt, so i must be technical! 18:41:44 <kital> spevack: ;) 18:41:45 <susmit_> :) 18:41:52 <kital> #topic FAmSCo Report May - fin 18:42:11 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2010-05 18:42:23 <kital> thanks spevack for setting it up and make the first entries 18:42:53 <susmit_> NA and LATAM 18:42:59 <susmit_> still missing 18:43:05 <kital> right 18:43:06 <susmit_> I updated my part today 18:43:14 * kital too 18:43:43 <kital> i suggest to request input from NA and LATAM till wednesday? 18:44:04 <susmit_> kital, ok 18:44:24 <susmit_> oh and that reminds me, spevack, please have a look at ticket 67. It seems to be a bit urgent. 18:44:31 * spevack nods 18:44:57 <susmit_> thanks. 18:45:28 <kital> #action NA and LATAM FAmSCo Members fill their content for the FAmSCo May Report latest till Wednesday 2010-06-09 18:00 UTC 18:46:06 <kital> lfoppiano: spevack: is wednesday ok for you as well? 18:46:58 <susmit_> I shall do the publican version as usual. I have not upgraded yet..so hope that the old commands will still work. ;) 18:47:37 <kital> susmit_: if it´s work will be cool - if not you are free to decide how much time you can invest 18:47:41 <spevack> wednesday is fine with me 18:47:46 <susmit_> those commands changes too frequently... :) 18:48:18 <kital> ok - perfect 18:48:19 <susmit_> kital, it's fine with me 18:48:26 <kital> #topic Open Floor 18:48:33 <kital> anyone anything? 18:49:31 <kital> ok then endmeeting in 18:49:37 <kital> 3 18:49:46 <kital> 2 18:49:49 <susmit_> release events...when do we announce the surprises? 18:49:56 <susmit_> :D 18:49:59 <kital> ah ;) 18:50:21 <kital> i posted a Release Clarification for EMEA Events today 18:50:30 <susmit_> ok 18:50:58 <kital> i learned that some EVents are not listed on the official Release Event Pages 18:51:17 <kital> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-June/014664.html 18:52:11 <susmit_> great.. 18:52:52 <kital> how sounds 2010-June-30 as the final deadline to list Release Event Reports? 18:53:03 <susmit_> perfect 18:53:20 <kital> lets make it so 18:53:47 <susmit_> and we also need to work on ambassadors schedule 18:53:55 <kital> #action announce 2010-June-30 as the final deadline for F13 Release Event Reports 18:54:19 <kital> #action lfoppianno susmit announce 2010-June-30 as the final deadline for F13 Release Event Reports 18:54:39 <kital> ambassadors schedule? - event calendar? 18:55:04 <kital> #undo 18:55:04 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x26693850> 18:55:13 <kital> #action lfoppiano susmit announce 2010-June-30 as the final deadline for F13 Release Event Reports 18:55:18 <kital> sorry lfoppiano 18:55:18 <susmit_> no... 18:55:46 <susmit_> the mail John Poelstra wrote 18:55:52 <kital> aaahh yes 18:56:12 <kital> we wanted to invite him - before that we need to get regional feedbacks 18:56:22 <kital> wonders if it is on the Agenda 18:56:46 <susmit_> it isn't 18:57:29 <kital> i put it back 18:57:35 <susmit_> ok 18:58:59 <susmit_> anything else we want to discuss right now? I have nothing 18:59:04 <spevack> not for me right now 18:59:23 <kital> done 18:59:24 <kital> All 18:59:25 <kital> * Provide Feedback from regional Meetings about important Milestones which have to be listed under the official Release Schedule 18:59:32 <kital> on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda#Current_action_items 18:59:54 <kital> spevack: i have a pm for you ;) 19:00:06 <kital> thanks all for attending !!! 19:00:13 <kital> #endmeeting