18:05:15 <kital> #startmeeting famsco-meeting 2010-06-07
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18:05:25 <kital> #chair spevack
18:05:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: kital spevack
18:05:33 <kital> #topic RollCall
18:05:34 <spevack> susmit_: you must be really excited.
18:05:37 <spevack> I'm really happy for you!
18:06:03 <susmit_> spevack, yes, I am....thanks. :)
18:06:16 <susmit_> kital, I plan to complete my Ph.D and then become a locomotive driver...so maybe I won't need the Dr.
18:06:21 <susmit_> ;)
18:06:23 <spevack> heh
18:06:25 <kital> susmit_: haha
18:06:43 <susmit_> let's get started
18:06:47 <kital> sure
18:06:49 <kital> JoergSimon
18:06:50 <susmit_> Susmit Shannigrahi
18:06:54 <spevack> Max Spevack
18:07:11 <spevack> hi john
18:07:27 <kital> Agenda https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda
18:08:04 <kital> lets start with
18:08:13 <kital> #topic current action items
18:08:44 <kital> still no update from my side regarding the mentors-survey
18:08:56 <kital> spevack: Delete old tickets with private info, then open famsco's trac instance to the public.
18:09:04 <kital> any update on this ?
18:09:08 <spevack> that never got done, because I am awful.
18:09:12 <spevack> I closed some tickets last week.
18:09:14 <kital> spevack: ;)
18:09:18 <spevack> And I saw some activity on a few over the weekend.
18:09:37 <spevack> Most reimbursements have been made, with the exception of some of the F13 release parties, which just happened, and I know Neville needs some money, which I will send.
18:10:09 <spevack> Things are a bit odd -- because FUDCon LATAM also needs money (a lot of it), and some of that will have to come from PayPal, which means out of my own pocket, so I'm trying to figure out how much money I can "lend" Red Hat at any one time before I can file expense reports.
18:10:14 <spevack> that's kind of my update.
18:10:24 <susmit_> How about finding a couple of hours , may be three which suits everyone and having a 'FAmSCo FAD' so that we can get rid of the tasks?
18:11:10 <kital> susmit_: yes this is something we all could need - too many construction sides
18:11:25 <spevack> I think that's a great idea, susmit_
18:11:46 <spevack> I think we should use the next famsco meeting, and another hour either before or after it.  what do people think?
18:11:58 <kital> spevack: +1
18:12:01 <susmit_> +1 from me
18:12:07 <kital> lfoppiano: ?
18:12:51 <lfoppiano> +1
18:12:54 <kital> #agreed to organize the next famsco meeting as a famsco fad to get rid of the current tasks!
18:13:31 <kital> #action kital announce famsco fad to all famsco members
18:14:00 <kital> #topic Clarify what SOP for the monthly Report means
18:14:02 <spevack> having 2 hours where I'm forced to do nothing but famsco tickets will be good for me :)
18:14:36 <susmit_> :),  we can finish our items too
18:14:47 <kital> exactly
18:15:47 <kital> i asked mether about the question regarding SOP - no new input here - his main idea was the place where the "nice" report is stored
18:15:56 <spevack> Regarding the monthly report.....
18:15:57 <kital> and this is already clarified in the last meeting
18:16:12 * spevack quiets down
18:16:17 <kital> no no spevack
18:16:20 <kital> ;)
18:16:31 <kital> go ahead
18:17:10 <kital> spevack: something more on this topic?
18:17:20 <kital> we come to the may report later
18:17:23 <spevack> ok
18:17:25 <spevack> nothing to add then
18:17:58 <kital> #topic call for action "we agreed to proceed the discussion on Discussion on Additional Restrictions on Ambassadors Membership - on the famsco mailing list"
18:18:22 <kital> just a reminder to all (including me) that we wanted to discuss this on the ml
18:18:31 <kital> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2010-May/000187.html
18:19:02 <kital> i will straight move to the next topic
18:19:16 <kital> #topic New Wiki Pages for the Ambassadors Joining Process
18:19:19 <susmit_> yes, and I never took out the time to write the reply....lazy me.
18:19:22 * spevack will read on the mailing list :)
18:19:55 <kital> herlo and bochecha and many other made efforts to build the Ambassadors joining process
18:20:02 <kital> more clear
18:20:23 <kital> in form of a "wizard-style" - step by step procedure
18:20:36 <kital> i already clarified some changes with herlo
18:20:44 <spevack> https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Joining_Ambassadors&action=history
18:20:44 <kital> and want to ask you to give your input as well
18:21:00 <spevack> We did a *little* bit of work on this page during the NA FEdora Ambassador Day
18:21:01 <kital> it starts here
18:21:03 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_start
18:21:03 <spevack> and Rahul did a bit more.
18:21:25 <kital> and the wizard-style starts here
18:21:26 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_create_user_page
18:21:29 <bochecha> kital, the buttons are all handled with the style in HTML atm, which is a really bad thing to do. I did it this way as I don't have access to the CSS, but it should really be moved to the CSS
18:21:45 <kital> bochecha: the buttons are great
18:21:58 <bochecha> kital, look at the source of the page, it's ugly ;)
18:21:59 <spevack> well, the first thing I would do is take my name off of it :)
18:21:59 <kital> we could use another one for the first page "Click here"
18:22:04 <spevack> it's not about me
18:22:32 <kital> spevack: this is an email from you where you pointed out the purpose of an Ambassador in a perfect way
18:22:58 <kital> this should be valued - community decission i guess
18:23:00 <kital> ;)
18:23:03 <spevack> kital: I like what the email says, but I think we can just take what's in the email and put it on the page :)
18:23:17 <spevack> it is pretty good.  :P  /me pats himself on the back
18:23:50 <kital> bochecha: it does the job !
18:24:12 <spevack> hmmm
18:24:12 <kital> bochecha: contact gwerra for help with css
18:24:30 <bochecha> kital, will do
18:24:39 <kital> i also changed the MembershipService Page today
18:24:43 <kital> to the new links
18:24:48 <spevack> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/3_simple_questions
18:24:55 <spevack> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_start
18:24:59 <spevack> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Joining_Ambassadors
18:25:04 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService
18:25:06 <spevack> Seems to me all three of these can be combined into one, perhaps?
18:25:33 <kital> and the join message for the group join is now also changed and has not to be sent by hand anymore
18:25:47 <kital> spevack: this is something a native speaker should do
18:25:59 <bochecha> spevack, I think herlo aimed to replace the /Joining_Ambassadors page with the first one of the wizard
18:26:54 <kital> i just wanted to ask to go through all the "wizard" pages and make your cosmetic
18:26:59 <kital> i made mine today
18:27:10 * spevack understands
18:27:10 <kital> so herlo can finalize it soon
18:27:46 * susmit_ thinks that the three points should be replaced by the point spevack made
18:28:10 <susmit_> the earlier ones are too vague...
18:29:25 <susmit_> and all those people who apply may meet the criteria, but all of them will not make it to the ambassador group.
18:29:27 <susmit_> eof
18:30:01 <kital> ok lets make it so?
18:30:29 <kital> should we redirect 3_simple_questions
18:30:36 <kital> to Ambassadors_Join_start
18:30:38 <kital> ?
18:31:30 <susmit_> well, maybe. I mean the three questions does not adequately cover the qualities needed for becoming an ambassador
18:32:02 <kital> susmit_: so should we mark them for deletion then?
18:32:52 <susmit_> I don't  know...there are so many pages that it is a mess.
18:33:49 <kital> susmit_: delete or redirect them
18:33:56 <kital> remove the link on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors#Joining_the_Fedora_Ambassadors_Project
18:34:05 <kital> and make the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_start
18:34:19 <kital> the starting point as soon as possible
18:34:24 <spevack> I think the "3 simple questions" should be redirected into the new pages, and removed from [[Ambassadors]]
18:34:28 <kital> if you agree - today
18:35:19 <susmit_> +1
18:35:29 <kital> ok
18:35:50 <spevack> keep in mind that https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors
18:35:58 <spevack> still https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors#Joining_the_Fedora_Ambassadors_Project
18:36:00 <kital> #action kital work on the wiki to make the joining pages consitent
18:36:09 <spevack> that link should always point people to the "best" place to go next.
18:36:32 <spevack> right now it sends people to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Joining_Ambassadors
18:36:40 <spevack> it looks like we'll have to change that eventually
18:36:55 <kital> as soon we are all fine with the new one
18:37:06 <kital> we can all redirect to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_start
18:37:32 <kital> i used it during the last week and candidates seems to like and understand it
18:37:54 <kital> as i know spevack he is already editing the wiki ;)
18:38:05 <susmit_> #redirect done
18:39:36 <kital> for the 3_simple_questions - great
18:40:15 <kital> i will look into this later after the meeting
18:40:25 <kital> lets move to the next topic?
18:40:35 <susmit_> sure
18:41:06 <spevack> i am
18:41:18 <spevack> i also paused to fix the printer here for all the sales people :)
18:41:23 <spevack> I wear a tshirt, so i must be technical!
18:41:44 <kital> spevack: ;)
18:41:45 <susmit_> :)
18:41:52 <kital> #topic FAmSCo Report May - fin
18:42:11 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2010-05
18:42:23 <kital> thanks spevack for setting it up and make the first entries
18:42:53 <susmit_> NA and LATAM
18:42:59 <susmit_> still missing
18:43:05 <kital> right
18:43:06 <susmit_> I updated my part today
18:43:14 * kital too
18:43:43 <kital> i suggest to request input from NA and LATAM till wednesday?
18:44:04 <susmit_> kital, ok
18:44:24 <susmit_> oh and that reminds me, spevack, please have a look at ticket 67. It seems to be a bit urgent.
18:44:31 * spevack nods
18:44:57 <susmit_> thanks.
18:45:28 <kital> #action NA and LATAM FAmSCo Members fill their content for the FAmSCo May Report latest till Wednesday 2010-06-09 18:00 UTC
18:46:06 <kital> lfoppiano: spevack: is wednesday ok for you as well?
18:46:58 <susmit_> I shall do the publican version as usual. I have not upgraded yet..so hope that the old commands will still work. ;)
18:47:37 <kital> susmit_: if it´s work will be cool - if not you are free to decide how much time you can invest
18:47:41 <spevack> wednesday is fine with me
18:47:46 <susmit_> those commands changes too frequently... :)
18:48:18 <kital> ok - perfect
18:48:19 <susmit_> kital, it's fine with me
18:48:26 <kital> #topic Open Floor
18:48:33 <kital> anyone anything?
18:49:31 <kital> ok then endmeeting in
18:49:37 <kital> 3
18:49:46 <kital> 2
18:49:49 <susmit_> release events...when do we announce the surprises?
18:49:56 <susmit_> :D
18:49:59 <kital> ah ;)
18:50:21 <kital> i posted a Release Clarification for EMEA Events today
18:50:30 <susmit_> ok
18:50:58 <kital> i learned that some EVents are not listed on the official Release Event Pages
18:51:17 <kital> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-June/014664.html
18:52:11 <susmit_> great..
18:52:52 <kital> how sounds 2010-June-30 as the final deadline to list Release Event Reports?
18:53:03 <susmit_> perfect
18:53:20 <kital> lets make it so
18:53:47 <susmit_> and we also need to work on ambassadors schedule
18:53:55 <kital> #action announce 2010-June-30 as the final deadline for F13 Release Event Reports
18:54:19 <kital> #action lfoppianno susmit announce 2010-June-30 as the final deadline for F13 Release Event Reports
18:54:39 <kital> ambassadors schedule? - event calendar?
18:55:04 <kital> #undo
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18:55:13 <kital> #action lfoppiano susmit announce 2010-June-30 as the final deadline for F13 Release Event Reports
18:55:18 <kital> sorry lfoppiano
18:55:18 <susmit_> no...
18:55:46 <susmit_> the mail John Poelstra wrote
18:55:52 <kital> aaahh yes
18:56:12 <kital> we wanted to invite him - before that we need to get regional feedbacks
18:56:22 <kital> wonders if it is on the Agenda
18:56:46 <susmit_> it isn't
18:57:29 <kital> i put it back
18:57:35 <susmit_> ok
18:58:59 <susmit_> anything else we want to discuss right now? I have nothing
18:59:04 <spevack> not for me right now
18:59:23 <kital> done
18:59:24 <kital> All
18:59:25 <kital> * Provide Feedback from regional Meetings about important Milestones which have to be listed under the official Release Schedule
18:59:32 <kital> on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda#Current_action_items
18:59:54 <kital> spevack: i have a pm for you ;)
19:00:06 <kital> thanks all for attending !!!
19:00:13 <kital> #endmeeting