21:00:39 #startmeeting Fedora Campus Ambassadors 21:00:39 Meeting started Thu Jul 22 21:00:39 2010 UTC. The chair is rrix. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:39 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:51 #topic roll call/introductions 21:01:04 Since this is our first meeting, let's just say who we are, and where we go to school 21:01:23 dmaxel: and go :) 21:01:28 oh me? :P 21:01:42 I'm Danny Stieben, and I go to Melissa High School in Melissa, Texas 21:01:45 :D 21:01:55 Utter Linux enthusiast in my town haha 21:02:24 * ianweller is ian weller, i will be going to ku.edu 21:02:45 welcome ianweller :D 21:02:56 hiii ian :) 21:03:09 sdziallas will introduce himself when irssi stops failwhaling ;) 21:03:19 I'm Ryan, going to ASU next year... in fact, I move into my dorms in three weeks :D 21:03:27 asu->arizona state uni 21:03:51 sweetness 21:03:59 * sdziallas is here now, curses. :) 21:04:09 hehe 21:04:18 .fas biertie 21:04:19 biertie: biertie 'Bert Desmet' 21:04:34 biertie: introduction, where do you go to school? 21:04:45 Kaho Sint Lieven 21:04:50 college in Ghent, Belgium 21:04:55 * sdziallas is Sebastian, going to Olin College this fall. 21:05:03 COolio 21:05:11 * rrix tickles the rest of the channel 21:05:13 (I don't think I'm officially part of the campusamb program, yet, but... I thought I'd drop by.) 21:05:32 95% microsoft, sponsored by ms, some good profs, but a lot of not so good professors 21:05:32 sdziallas: Well, you're more than welcome ;) 21:05:49 biertie: so "I have work to do"? ;) 21:06:07 * mchua is Mel who will at some point finish her grad school application, but is a Teaching Open Source geek in the meantime working with profs, so coming from the other side here. 21:06:11 s/I/we/g 21:06:16 ohai mel! 21:06:21 o hai 21:06:33 anyone elses? quaid maybe? *nudge nudge* 21:06:34 rly teh mel? 21:06:39 ya rly 21:06:44 teh awesum!! 21:06:52 okay, moving on :P 21:06:57 rrix: quaid was... just here, but may be running around the OSCON booth. 21:06:57 sry if i'm quiet, im eating on the side 21:07:05 ahh, okay. No worries :) 21:07:08 * mchua sits down, munches popcorn 21:07:10 #topic Where we are now 21:07:16 So, we're like, new, I guess. 21:07:28 We don't really have any sort of framework, and we need to go out and do that 21:07:33 figure out what works and what doesn't on campuses 21:07:35 yeah, we're here on the timeline: |------ 21:07:39 at the start ;) 21:07:42 exactly :) 21:07:49 where is lcafiero for this? lol 21:08:00 Some of us already have experiences at uni, most of us don't :) 21:08:16 dmaxel: good point, care to go harass him? :) or is he busy at the OSCOn booth again? 21:08:35 not sure, lemme go see 21:08:48 ok 21:08:50 advice: you just find the good professors first (they are rare) and build a good relationship with them 21:09:04 he's not even on... 21:09:07 #info find good professors first, and build a good relationship 21:09:12 dmaxel: that's ok, we'll survive then :) 21:09:13 * mchua wonders if people are already doing (or planning on doing) specific things this next school year. 21:09:23 mchua: I have a few things planned ;) 21:09:26 Larry's also at the booth at OSCON, yep. (I'm sitting in the hallway outside.) 21:09:48 want to poke him? 21:10:04 So I take it the students who are here are all willing to do a little heavy lifting to get things started, both at their schools, and in the campusamb program? 21:10:11 rrix: i got a few ideas, but nothing planned yet 21:10:16 dmaxel: I'll wander by and see if he's around in person, yeah. Will be right back. 21:10:22 yall're already pretty heavily involved in fedora already 21:10:24 * mchua whispers "POSSE" 21:10:28 Right ;) 21:10:35 mchua: shhhhh, we'll get to that! ;) 21:10:49 ach, a plan at my school: start workshops about linux / python / open source / community stuff for students and professors and staff 21:11:23 my school's staff can't even handle WinXP 21:11:41 okay, so we have five or six core students, and a few other Fedorans really interested in helping us 21:11:50 ours handles win 2008 with hyperV hypervisor, which fails 21:11:59 Yucky 21:12:10 indeed 21:12:37 queso, what do we need to *do* 21:12:44 #topic What do we need to do 21:12:56 * sdziallas replies "lots of *stuff*" :) 21:12:57 work together :D 21:13:00 We have, like, no infra right now, people are kinda just flying blind next semester 21:13:13 like me haha 21:13:24 hang on 21:13:25 actually, like we all :-) 21:13:47 at least i finally got some swag 21:13:54 waiting on pens and stuff though 21:14:06 I broke KDE trunk, give me 1 minute to fix this 21:14:19 rrix: LOL :) 21:14:44 hehe :-) 21:14:50 OKAY 21:15:15 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Campus_Ambassadors_Ideas 21:15:41 I think that it's best if we just come up with ideas, those of us willing to experiment, and start filling that in.. 21:15:44 thoughts? 21:16:00 best thing i can think of 21:16:02 rrix: !!! that looks awesome. 21:16:12 rrix: why do I think "SOP" when I see this, though? :) 21:16:29 sdziallas: SOPs come when we find stuff that works ;) 21:16:34 question: Campus Ambassador Idea: Release Party 21:16:36 there is a template in the meantime 21:16:49 why would I do that as a campus ambassador, and not as a normal ambassador for everybody? 21:17:10 Why not indeed :) 21:17:21 btw, what could i do in a school with only 300 students? :P 21:18:00 dmaxel: make sure fedora gets 300 extra contributors ;) 21:18:02 hehe 21:18:07 biertie: so, let's say you have a release party... 21:18:29 biertie: haha, let's see if that works when 99% are hard-core athletes :P 21:18:34 you could hold it on, or near, campus, and make sure that people on campus know about it, and that people in The Real World do too 21:18:55 LOL, "The Real World"? 21:19:05 (this is all just off the top of my head... anyone with other ideas PLEASE talk! :) ) 21:19:08 I hang posters in all colleges, universities, mailings lists, fora, blogs of the area ;) 21:20:24 ok 21:20:26 but you know kanarip? 21:20:30 Yup 21:20:37 and his motto? 21:21:09 nope 21:21:10 'step up or shut up' 21:21:29 so, this is very true, especially at the start 21:21:35 * quaid looks in 21:21:41 we'll have to try stuff, and report back to our group 21:21:47 ! 21:22:03 but because we're new, and don't have real experience with everything, we'll have to have some people who just do things 21:22:16 and find out the hard way what works, and what doesn't 21:22:22 dmaxel: speak up! ;) 21:22:26 biertie: very much true 21:22:34 oh, here's an idea....try to talk to the tech people at your school and see if some of the computers can be converted to use Fedora in case it doesn't have any Linux boxes 21:23:06 that's all :) 21:23:10 dmaxel: that's already a hard one 21:23:29 but for me i'm making progress :) 21:23:42 if you can do it, that would be *awesome* 21:23:58 it'll probably actually be *easier* to do that at a smaller school; less beauraucracy to fight with 21:24:02 quaid: thoughts? :) 21:24:08 but if I would propose that at my college, they would look at me like i'm a ***** 21:24:19 haha, i don't think i could get a 100% conversion, since they want people to still be able to use Windows, but since they also have a few Macs, why not Linux boxes? 21:24:40 Right. 21:24:50 LOL maybe it's only good for small schools, like mine. Just another thought of mine. 21:24:58 true true, try it, it will probably work if you are at liberal school who isn't sponsored by ms :) 21:25:26 * rrix will see his next year... afiact we get a lot of MS dollars 21:25:29 (I'm not sure if they are, but I'm trying anyways ;) ) 21:25:43 ok :) 21:26:01 #idea talk to school officials, see if a portion of the labs could dualboot fedora 21:26:28 :D 21:26:28 #idea let's make freedom toasters, and place them at schools? 21:26:36 As long as they boot Fedora :P 21:26:57 they will boot openbsd young man! 21:26:58 ;) 21:27:08 ;) 21:27:19 Next point of order... getting new campusamb members 21:27:24 yes 21:27:33 #topic Attracting new CampusAmb'rs 21:27:39 So, my experience so far.. 21:28:03 Before we made Amabassadors FAS group a requirement for the campusamb FAS group, people would just apply for the sake of applying right after registering with FAS. 21:28:37 but no one who was activitely contributing really applied for the FAS group/showed much interest, even after promoting it like a madman. 21:28:53 Do we *need* that? Can we start doing stuff and worry about FAS if it becomes an issue? 21:29:08 I'm not worried about FAS, I'm worried about people actually realizing we exist :) 21:29:26 I know there are more students hidden away back there in Fedora 21:29:34 Some are already ambassadors even 21:29:42 * sdziallas waves :) 21:29:46 hai ;) 21:29:53 o hai! 21:30:05 sdziallas: how'd you figure out about campusamb? 21:30:55 I think I spammed a bit about it #but not sure 21:31:05 rrix: well, I remotely heard that they existed, but didn't bother much about joining. not much because I'm an ignorant moron, but back at the time when I was in high school, the "give a talk" requirement scared me away and because I figured I could still try to sell the staff Fedora without having a campusambassador badge. 21:31:40 So, is the Give a talk portion too high a barrier/too scary a barrier? 21:32:14 for me it was a little, even back when applying for ambassadorship 21:32:29 Maybe we should revisit that, then? 21:32:33 rrix: I was a little high school student back then. I... think it might or might not be for college students. 21:32:35 you just drink a beer before you give the presentation ;) 21:32:47 biertie: that does't work in high school :p 21:33:01 it's easier to propose a talk at a college than at a high school too, I think 21:33:05 rrix: in case you are going to ask me how I found out, it was from you :P 21:33:11 dmaxel: I know ;) 21:33:50 So... should we keep that requirement? I do agree that it may be a little too difficult 21:33:54 biertie: +1 21:34:03 especially if $campus_amb isn't as extroverted 21:34:24 maybe not a requirement, but something that should be 'pushed' 21:34:39 Maybe move it to Category:Campus Ambassador Ideas? 21:34:47 sure, imo 21:34:50 maybe 21:35:17 maybe->..? 21:35:19 explain :) 21:36:08 * dmaxel wishes he could read minds 21:36:18 hm, oh, don't know where that maybe came from 21:36:26 should sleep more than 2h/night :x 21:36:34 good idea hahaha 21:36:54 :) 21:36:56 okay 21:37:05 so 3 +1's... anyone else? 21:37:37 okay 21:37:44 ianweller seems to have wondered off, and who was poking lcafiero again? 21:37:51 hehehe 21:37:53 hmm? 21:37:57 what am i +1ing 21:38:01 LOL 21:38:23 ianweller: should one talk a semester be a requirement? 21:38:35 rrix: define talk 21:38:36 or just be a campamb idea? 21:39:09 also, for the talk, I don't think the campus ambassador /should/ do it 21:39:09 One tech talk per semester highlighting Fedora and/or Fedora-related technologies. 21:39:24 but I don't know that it's really defined what kind ;) 21:39:27 biertie: explain 21:39:28 Does it have to be technical? What if you're studying design, etc? 21:39:32 it could be also valuable if a campus amb invites someone else to talk at the school about some technical foo 21:39:36 mchua: right 21:39:37 rrix: i think you're looking for public speaking 21:39:56 dmaxel: that's an artifact from the old campus amb page, not mine :P 21:40:03 mchua: true 21:40:03 i think it should just be an idea 21:40:07 "idea", with air quotes, i guess 21:40:13 oka 21:40:15 go air 21:40:16 lol 21:40:31 Who wants to take that on... move it to the ideas page, make it less tech-related, and generally fedora related 21:40:41 and a second one for "invite a fedora speaker" 21:40:58 would i have to import that speaker? ;) 21:41:06 Possibly :P 21:41:25 * dmaxel looks into wallet 21:41:28 sigh... 21:41:29 lol 21:41:42 hehe 21:41:43 * mchua notes that campus chapters of ACM, etc. usually can tap student activity funds for this sort of thing 21:42:00 mchua: I also wanted to harass you about that... didn't you say we had some funds in commarch? 21:42:01 true true, so i'm not going bankrupt 21:42:02 Also, local hackers can be had. Or people can give remote talks (videoconferencing). 21:42:04 "you do *only* count as an official fedora speaker (tm) if you have received one american dollar (tm)" 21:42:05 Also also, FAD. 21:42:11 but wait, wait. 21:42:15 Who wants to move those pages? :P 21:42:19 rrix: Teaching Open Source has $8k of "do cool stuff" budget. 21:42:28 sdziallas: +1 21:42:31 #task rrix moves pages 21:42:38 ok 21:42:39 I think we may use a lot of that for large events + infrastructure this round though. 21:42:57 But since this is in Fedora-land, think creatively... think FAD, etc. and other things we already know how to use budget for. 21:42:57 #action rrix will move the talk req't to an idea page, and add one for inviting other Fedorans to speak 21:43:02 Ambassadors $, and so forth. 21:43:19 mchua: right 21:43:56 anything i can do on the wiki, etc.? i feel like doing something for once ;) 21:44:08 dmaxel: You can do that last thing I #action'd to myself ;) 21:44:23 move the page? 21:44:26 Yeah 21:44:34 where is the page where it stands as a requirement? 21:44:53 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Campus_Ambassadors "what is required" 21:45:04 danke schoen 21:45:17 #undo 21:45:17 Removing item from minutes: 21:45:24 #action dmaxel will move the talk req't to an idea page, and add one for inviting other Fedorans to speak 21:45:52 Okay... 21:45:53 so i'm adding two ideas...alright 21:45:57 mchua: wanna talk about POSSE? :) 21:46:05 #topic POSSE 21:46:15 http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE 21:46:28 Basically, this is for professors - how to teach profs how to teach students how to contribute to FOSS. 21:46:41 In other words, "if you want to do FOSS for credit, here's how your profs can learn to let you do that." 21:47:14 One-week workshop in the summer, and we're looking for schools to host, and people who are interested in teaching their profs how to hack on the project they're involved with (in this case, Fedora - and possibly Fedora + some-other-thing). 21:47:43 I'm wondering if anyone here is interested in working in the fall towards getting a POSSE on their campus with their profs next summer. 21:47:57 \o. 21:47:58 I know rrix and ianweller and sdziallas have already enthusiastically volunteered their campuses. 21:47:59 ;) 21:48:02 * mchua grins 21:48:06 o hai? 21:48:21 hehe 21:48:36 biertie? ;) 21:48:37 Right now we're mostly gauging interest, and the interested folks should hang out on the http://teachingopensource.org mailing list so when we start planning POSSEs in the fall you'll hear it. 21:49:14 rrix: I blocked on the location :) 21:49:20 mchua: tos@? 21:49:23 biertie: hm? 21:49:58 Jan Wildeboer and I were planning on organising a posse, but Jan would figure out the location 21:50:01 so it never happened :x 21:50:05 maybe this year 21:50:06 ianweller: Yes, http://teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos 21:50:10 21:50:10 will slap him again and again : 21:51:45 #info students interested in ToS should idle on http://teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos 21:52:07 mchua: anything telse to add? 21:52:14 It's pretty neat since profs hang out there also and you get to hear the other side of the story. 21:52:30 What's difficult about teaching, why professors do what they do, and so forth. How to make their lives easier. 21:52:36 (with FOSS, one hopes, but... yeah.) 21:52:51 There's a lot to academia that we don't usually see as students. 21:53:03 * rrix nods 21:53:04 Anyone interested in POSSE, talk to me and/or hang out on #teachingopensource. 21:53:08 That is all. 21:53:11 * mchua sits back down 21:53:14 :) 21:53:31 Next order... meeting times 21:53:47 rrix: Did you refresh the agenda page? 21:54:01 dmaxel: yup 21:54:02 jw unless you're moving a few things around 21:54:19 groupware is an infra thing though ;) 21:54:27 alright, nvm then 21:54:37 meeting times :D 21:54:38 dmaxel: by my count "next meeting time" is up now? 21:54:42 ok :) 21:54:43 sure 21:54:44 #topic Meeting times 21:54:51 So, our friendly Indian campus ambassadors (adi patawari in particular) couldn't make the time, because it's like 4am there... 21:55:13 Are there any other times which work for more people? I worry that when school starts, having meetings where EVERYONE can make it will be nearly impossible 21:55:30 TOS has a mailing list culture for exactly that reason, I think. 21:55:33 Class schedules are insane. 21:55:43 Asynchronous is more accessible. 21:55:44 true, when school starts, the only time i could would be WAY early, but i'd have to wake up earlier than normal for those 21:55:54 mchua: agreed, but meetings are still necessary ;) 21:56:09 But you could try to meet up at "transforming education" conferences that schools tend to be really happy when undergrads show interest in them. 21:56:15 if you want EU people: you can do it 3hours earlier 21:56:25 that might work for the indian people too 21:56:27 "zomg students are interested in their classes, yes we'll give you travel funding to go talk about how to improve the teaching at our school" 21:56:43 mchua: ;) 21:56:49 dmaxel: does -3h work for you? 21:56:50 * mchua recommends checking out the student chapters of SIGCSE (ACM), the computer society (IEEE) and ASEE 21:57:00 mchua: big +1 21:57:10 (or your respective discipline, if you're not a coder/engineer, I'm just not sure what those would be for other things) 21:57:16 rrix: it will until school starts :/ otherwise it's around lunchtime at school 21:57:43 dmaxel: true... we may move to weekend meetings when school starts 21:57:54 but it'll be really hard to pull off 21:58:03 yeah, weekend meetings would be a BIG help....but -3 hrs on weekends would work out fine for me. 21:58:10 ok 21:58:12 hehe 21:58:12 worksforme 21:58:23 I'll mail the list for further feedback 21:58:29 also, -3 in the weekend doesn't work for me :x 21:58:36 biertie: grrr D:< 21:58:40 ....so close lol 21:58:46 also 21:58:53 weekends are generally full of fail for me :( 21:59:03 * sdziallas waves whenisgood.com 21:59:08 mchua: didn't you ha--- YES 21:59:10 that one! 21:59:20 :) 21:59:32 sdziallas: wanna make a whenisgood page for the meetings? :) 21:59:44 ? what is whenisgood? 21:59:51 #action sdziallas to set up a whenisgood for meetings (and to register for fas group and stuff) 22:00:06 sdziallas: you rock :) 22:00:13 (actually, it's whenisgood.net, for the record) 22:00:23 yeah, was just about to say "linkfarm!" 22:00:39 ahh, good idea :D 22:00:47 i'll happily give my input :P 22:00:50 * sdziallas hides in shame, goes creating that page. 22:00:54 dmaxel: Think of it as a wiki for scheduling meetings, only... with a better interface. People put what times they're free and it matches up what times are open for everyone. 22:01:14 mchua: thanks, that's a big help then for stuff like this. 22:01:24 it's like doodle I guess 22:01:28 Aye. 22:01:36 sdziallas: you'll send the link via campamb mail list then? 22:01:52 * dmaxel isn't familiar with doodle, but i guess it doesn't matter now 22:02:03 dmaxel: yup yup :) 22:02:09 Awesome! 22:02:25 sdziallas: ok thanks, i could use some beneficial email once in a while 22:02:30 heeh 22:02:38 okei 22:02:38 LOL! 22:02:45 #topic Open Floor 22:02:52 I'm gonna skip upcoming events 22:03:08 o.0 22:03:19 since, well, schol hasn't started yet :p 22:03:28 ach yes 22:03:34 it's more fun when you do events during school 22:03:49 and when professors ask why you didn't attend class last week 22:03:55 'oh no reason, I was in toronto' 22:04:14 some of my professors hate me I think :p 22:04:16 lol 22:04:20 *cough* antarctica :P 22:04:53 hehehe :) 22:04:53 hehehe 22:04:54 nice penguins down there 22:05:12 I prefer nord pole 22:05:29 polar bears? lol 22:05:35 indeed :P 22:06:10 * dmaxel is happy to get Yahoo mail working in Thunderbrid 22:06:15 *Thunderbird 22:06:35 really? how'd you pull that? 22:06:46 and why are you using yahoo? ;) 22:07:01 i'm not really, it's more like for remmnant emails 22:07:11 but yeah, it's working well enough to read and write 22:07:22 with an addon that acts as some kind of Proxy that connects over HTTP 22:07:27 I hate people :( 22:08:01 #link http://whenisgood.net/campusamb 22:08:26 don't forget to send it on mailing list for anyone else who isn't here right now 22:08:36 yup yup :) 22:09:10 question sdziallas 22:09:12 rrix: you do have a new applicant to the FAS group :P 22:09:14 is that UTC time? 22:09:15 or what? 22:09:21 biertie: you gotta select your time zone :) 22:09:42 biertie: if I had selected the right option, you could even do that. hang on. 22:09:50 i don't see the place to choose timezone 22:09:55 sdziallas: AWESUM :D 22:09:58 biertie: try again :P 22:10:01 k 22:10:06 dmaxel: reload :) 22:10:08 sorry folks 22:10:12 got it 22:10:17 upgrade to stop ads 22:10:21 and it's just for those days right now? 22:10:23 hmm, ads? 22:10:23 ;) 22:10:34 naw, I just wanted a week. :) 22:10:55 ok, but you'll have to do it again when school starts in end of Aug 22:11:30 I think that should be doable. 22:11:39 dmaxel: just buy a laptop 22:11:52 biertie: high schools are jerks about those sorts of things 22:11:53 and chat during the lessons ;) 22:11:59 yes yes 22:12:01 high schools 22:12:07 but you're going to be a cool kid now :P 22:12:15 biertie: HA, the teachers would tell me to pack the laptop away or they'll throw it away 22:12:29 so 22:12:34 buy a smarphone 22:12:38 smartphone 22:12:44 and do it without them noticing it xD 22:13:41 hmmm, that i do have 22:13:51 Android-powered HTC Dream 22:14:13 but i can't do it everywhere and it's a pain if i have to type a LOT 22:14:13 you can probably run ssh session from that to your irssi thing 22:14:26 hehe :) 22:14:26 nah, i got an IRC client on there 22:14:38 no ssh o.0 22:15:33 hmm? why ssh? 22:15:43 ssh makes everything more fun 22:15:52 we should move to -campusamb at this point, folks 22:15:53 well, I use vpn and ssh all the time on my cellphone to manage my systems from the bus :P 22:15:53 oh boy lol 22:16:04