18:04:33 <kital> #startmeeting FAmSCo Meeting 2010-08-30
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18:04:42 <kital> #chair spevack
18:04:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: kital spevack
18:04:54 <kital> #topic RollCall
18:04:58 * jsmith is here
18:04:59 <kital> JoergSimon
18:05:01 <susmit> SusmitShannigrahi
18:05:12 <spevack> Max Spevack
18:06:09 <kital> Agenda for today´s meeting
18:06:12 <kital> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda
18:06:31 <kital> #topic Current action items
18:06:48 <kital> sooo
18:07:07 <kital> any news to the current action items
18:07:08 <kital> ?
18:07:31 <susmit> not from me :(
18:07:36 <kital> ok ;) np
18:08:13 <kital> as ke4qqq and tatica are not around today - anybody know if they could work on the Conduct?
18:08:45 <susmit> guess not
18:08:59 <kital> i completed the Mentoring Survey Summary as most of you have already seen
18:09:10 <susmit> yes
18:09:21 <kital> and set up a regular mentors meeting today and sent out the invitation
18:09:37 <susmit> 6th, right?
18:09:45 <kital> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2010-August/000340.html
18:09:49 <kital> yes
18:10:12 <kital> so i think we can add this to the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_tasks
18:10:19 <kital> as a ongoing action item - right?
18:10:42 <kital> jsmith: feel free to ask anytime you need background information
18:10:55 <jsmith> kital: Don't worry -- I will :-)
18:11:14 <susmit> kital, yes, please
18:11:48 <kital> #action add the mentoring meeting as a ongoing task to susmit and kital
18:12:33 <kital> lets move on to  Old business ?
18:12:49 <susmit> ok
18:13:11 <kital> #topic Mentors mentoring - China, LATAM
18:13:12 <spevack> I can say a few words about budget.
18:13:25 <kital> #undo
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18:13:35 <kital> #topic budget and reimbursement
18:13:38 <kital> sure spevack ;)
18:13:41 <spevack> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_budget
18:13:56 <spevack> That's updated through August 27 (there's a typo that I will fix)
18:14:08 <spevack> I'll update it again probably today or tomorrow to show a few more expenses.
18:14:25 <spevack> So for the August report, it will be fully updated
18:14:29 <kital> spevack: thanks for the fast reaction on reimbursements after my email
18:14:40 <spevack> We're still a little bit behind on total spending, but there are a few things:
18:15:05 <spevack> (1) FUDCon EMEA is going to have lots of bills, and while those are separate from the FAMSCo budget, if FUDCon EMEA goes over budget, we'll borrow from the regional budget and assign it to EMEA.
18:15:18 <spevack> (2) I'd like to see us find a way to spend more money in APAC, India, and LATAM.
18:15:42 <spevack> (3) I need to make some time to work with Sandro and the FUDCon EMEA guys to make sure all the bills are being paid, there is a plan for payment, etc.
18:15:45 <spevack> EOF from me
18:16:29 <jsmith> spevack: I don't know about APAC, but I know that lots of people approached me about support for various events in LATAM
18:16:30 <kital> spevack: number 2 do you have any input on that from sankarshan or harish or ...
18:16:59 <jsmith> Sparks: I told them to work through FAMSCo primarily, but haven't really seen them do that
18:17:06 * jsmith fails at tab completion
18:17:12 <jsmith> spevack: That was for you ^^^^^^^
18:17:19 <Sparks> :)
18:17:39 * jsmith sighs at the fact that Mondays always catch him off guard
18:18:40 <kital> jsmith: regarding LATAM it is not always easy to transfer money as long as they have no paypal
18:18:45 <spevack> jsmith: well, we'll certaily take care of the requests that we get.  There were a few small ones that came in.
18:18:57 <spevack> kital: we have a plan to reimburse neville for a bunch of stuff when we see him at FUDCon NA
18:19:01 <spevack> we can just give him cash.
18:19:15 <kital> spevack: best solution
18:19:33 <susmit> kital, I am not aware of any new event that took place. The first one we have in India is in Oct. Then there are a few more.
18:19:34 <jsmith> spevack: Right... specifically, the one that comes to mind in Encuentro Linux in Chile (in October?)
18:19:36 <kital> jsmith: normally Ambassadors request ressources from famsco over TRAC
18:19:48 <kital> jsmith: https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/
18:20:04 <jsmith> kital: They *should*, but I don't see them doing that.  Instead, they ask me, I tell them to go to do that in TRAC, and then they disappear :-(
18:20:25 <susmit> jsmith, :)
18:20:53 <jsmith> I don't know if we have something documented on the wiki, but it might make sense to build a friendlier page that explains the process
18:21:07 <jsmith> That way, I can point people at the wiki page instead of directly at TRAC
18:21:20 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors#Getting_stuff
18:21:58 <kital> and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Reimbursements
18:22:14 <kital> jsmith: does that work for you?
18:22:32 <jsmith> I was hoping for something with a bit more explanation, but those are a good start
18:23:08 <kital> and if travel related
18:23:10 <kital> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Sponsoring_event_attendees
18:23:23 <kital> on LATAM and APAC
18:23:49 <kital> susmit spevack does it make sense to sponsor more traveling
18:23:57 <kital> who is able to handle this
18:24:34 <susmit> kital, I didn't get you question
18:24:57 <kital> i am not from india - and i know that there was some frictions with foss.in - but i found it a great event so i would also love to give them a small sponsoring
18:25:16 <susmit> oh...there will be travel budget to foss.in
18:25:20 <kital> susmit: related to spevack´s second point
18:25:31 <kital> 20:15 < spevack> (2) I'd like to see us find a way to spend more money in APAC, India, and LATAM.
18:26:00 <spevack> Whatever the leaders in those parts of the world need.  Event sponsorship, banners, event boxes, whatever.  Yes.
18:26:50 <susmit> yes, we will spend monies on foss.in travel and other events, but only if it justified. But that is not something to worry about, there will be a reasonable amount of expenses for foss.in and other events
18:27:21 <kital> so we need to have more awareness how they can request budget and what we expect in return?
18:28:31 <susmit> yes, kind of...
18:28:46 <susmit> but at this time there are not many events going on.
18:29:11 <kital> spevack: i saw also requests for reimbursment from cwickert for shipping media - it is clear that we have to reimburse him for that but i would like to tell the media wrangler that they consider the shipping cost in their calculation - do you think the same or am i wrong?
18:29:40 <kital> s/they consider/they should consider/
18:30:06 <kital> sorry for hoping on the topic :S
18:30:28 <kital> susmit: should we do an action item on awareness ?
18:30:38 <spevack> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2010-08#Budget
18:30:45 <spevack> that is done for this month
18:30:52 <susmit> a occasional email to the list should be fine.
18:31:06 <spevack> kital: I'll write some blog post about famsco's budget status halfway through the year
18:31:08 <susmit> s/a occasional email/ occasional emails
18:31:42 <kital> susmit: can you draft that email please?
18:31:47 <susmit> ok
18:31:56 <kital> and also send ;) of course
18:32:03 <susmit> of course :)
18:32:29 <kital> spevack: blog post is super - maybe also point out the possibilities of requesting budget
18:32:35 <kital> and what we expect?
18:33:12 <kital> as example the idlelo reports is a very good example
18:33:15 <kital> or the clt reports
18:33:23 <kital> or fosdem reports
18:33:25 <kital> ...
18:34:02 <spevack> yep, exactly
18:34:03 <kital> ready with this topic?
18:34:07 <spevack> +1
18:35:23 <kital> before we move on i want to give jsmith also the opportunity to point out his expectations on FAmSCo - jsmith only if you are ready yet for this - if you want to watch a bit longer maybe next meeting ;)
18:36:37 <kital> ok seems jsmith has left for now
18:36:46 <kital> #topic Mentors mentoring - China, LATAM
18:37:08 <kital> the need for more mentors was point out in China and LATAM
18:37:23 <kital> in China we have a special situation because we start almost from scratch
18:37:31 <kital> mchua has done some starting efforts on it
18:37:54 <kital> and pointed kaio and gbraad as additional Mentors for the Region
18:39:07 <kital> also we have a pending request from rpadula to teach Igor to become a  Mentor from brazil who is native in brazil Portuguese -
18:39:35 <kital> so do you think a new mentors classroom does make sense for them?
18:40:27 <susmit> yes, but I would prefer the other way...be familiar before being a mentor
18:41:18 <kital> i see it similar if we do it wrong we will start a fragmented community in china
18:41:32 <susmit> yes, indeed
18:41:48 <kital> mchua are your around?
18:42:31 <mchua> kital, briefly - but no updates since last time we spoke, I've been in vacation :)
18:43:07 <kital> mhm ...
18:43:10 <mchua> glad to hear kaio and gbraad are also picking up on this, though. I'm moving my china to-dos to the apac ambassadors meetings so there's a regular rhythm of when these topics in china get addressed and relayed back to famsco.
18:43:13 <mchua> EOF
18:43:36 <kital> mchua: are you also willing and ready to be a mentor for this region
18:43:37 <kital> ?
18:44:47 <kital> we have to know that a new contributor will hit exactly the person we choose as a Mentor
18:45:13 <kital> so in the most cases this person is the first face that they see from Fedora
18:45:25 <kital> just to make sure how important the mentors role can be
18:45:31 <kital> s/can be/is
18:46:00 <kital> so we will keep this ongoing and i will organize a classroom with potential mentors
18:46:04 <kital> ?
18:46:08 <kital> ok susmit spevack ?
18:46:26 <susmit> yes
18:46:28 <susmit> ok
18:47:13 <kital> quite a quorum ;)
18:47:20 <susmit> :)
18:48:56 <kital> wow what a noisy meeting
18:49:29 <kital> ;) i think the topic "thoughts on whether it might be good/bad for Fedora if elected bodies like FAmSCo had some direct influence on the Board's composition? possibly by making one appointment to the Board?"
18:49:49 <kital> does not make sense to be discussed between 2 or 3 famsco members
18:49:57 <susmit> indeer it does not
18:50:06 <kital> and i end this meeting if you are ok with it
18:50:18 <susmit> ok
18:50:23 <susmit> :)
18:50:28 <kital> #endmeeting