19:01:44 #startmeeting Insight 19:01:44 Meeting started Mon Apr 25 19:01:44 2011 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:01:44 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:01:47 #meetingname Insight 19:01:47 The meeting name has been set to 'insight' 19:01:59 hi 19:02:00 #topic Roll call! 19:02:02 * stickster 19:02:04 * rbergeron waves 19:02:09 * asrob too 19:02:12 Hi asrob, rbergeron 19:02:36 * stickster is going to plunge right in because there's a lot going on today :-) 19:02:47 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Meeting_agenda <-- Agenda 19:03:04 * nirik is lurking. 19:03:04 #topic Action items from last week 19:03:36 #info This weekend review was finished for backup_migrate, so... 19:03:47 #action stickster still needs to make puppet changes to include backup_migrate on hosts 19:04:02 #info 4, 5, 7 done 19:04:22 By the way... 19:04:28 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2011-04-18/insight.2011-04-18-19.00.html <-- last week's action items 19:04:34 That's the list I'm working from! :-) 19:04:48 asrob, How's #2 going? 19:05:08 * stickster needs to get asrob access, which means asrob needs to apply for sysadmin-insight 19:05:17 #action asrob apply for sysadmin-insight group at FAS 19:05:31 stickster: I am working on it, I think, date and calendar modules are packaged 19:05:53 asrob, Remember, we need to flesh out our project plan before we start adding modules to the host. 19:05:59 Define the problem first, then work on the solution :-) 19:06:25 #action stickster fix the key ordering problem in https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2726 once backup_migrate is available 19:06:39 our calendar is working on my devel instance, tomorrow I am going to test it on Insight dev server 19:06:50 asrob, See above ^^ 19:07:04 stickster: yep, I'll fill a ticket ;) 19:07:05 We'll discuss after we finish this topic I guess :-) 19:07:14 * stickster doesn't see pcalarco around 19:07:28 #action stickster email pcalarco + tatica about ticket 2691 19:07:49 #action stickster email list about format for change instances 19:07:49 stickster: btw "The webpage at https://insight.dev.fedoraproject.org/ might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address." 19:08:06 asrob, Yeah, we need averi here because I haven't been able to access this host at all. 19:08:13 ah, okay 19:08:15 nirik, Maybe you know something about it? 19:08:33 #topic Is dev host available? 19:08:35 hum... 19:08:45 I don't know about that, but can investigate. 19:08:47 I can't seem to ssh there either 19:09:05 the machine is up. 19:09:06 nirik, I wasn't involved in setting it up so I'm not sure what was left to do -- averi or smooge might know? 19:09:15 I basically just setup the instance. 19:09:19 I didn't install anything on it. 19:09:47 it looks like httpd is not running, so likely stuff needs to get moved over from the publictest box still. 19:10:16 Aha 19:10:17 OK 19:10:23 nirik, Is sshd running? 19:10:38 yeah. 19:10:46 I am in... 19:10:53 nirik, Is it through the bastion? 19:11:07 it should be world accessable. 19:11:09 * nirik looks. 19:11:19 * stickster tried ssh insight.dev.fp.o to no avail 19:11:24 hangs? 19:11:34 .members sysadm-insight 19:11:36 nirik: Members of sysadm-insight: 19:11:40 .members sysadmin-insight 19:11:41 nirik: Members of sysadmin-insight: @averi +pfrields 19:11:44 nirik, No name resolution 19:11:56 huh. 19:12:05 yeah, you should be able to get to it via bastion then. 19:12:38 No name resolution there either -- nirik, is it "insight.dev.fedoraproject.org" ? 19:13:28 oh no. 19:13:34 it's insight01.dev.fedoraproject.org 19:13:47 aha 19:13:58 whoopee 19:14:15 hm, I cannot reach it 19:14:20 Works everywhere now. Thanks nirik. 19:14:47 #info SOLVED! hostname is insight01.dev.fedoraproject.org :-) 19:14:54 I can change it if need be. 19:14:58 Sorry for the mixup 19:15:04 nirik, No need afaict 19:15:06 Thanks! 19:15:17 asrob, Does 'ssh insight01.dev.fedoraproject.org' not work for you? 19:15:33 asrob, You're not part of the group yet, see above -- apply for sysadmin-insight and I can approve you there. 19:16:35 #topic New meeting time 19:16:36 stickster: ouch, my mistake, ssh is working, I tried to reach it through www 19:16:40 :-) 19:17:16 #link http://whenisgood.net/insight-spr11/results/2nxjdx <-- meeting matrix results 19:17:50 We had 4 people respond. The best time looks to be either this same time, or 1 hour earlier, and lose averi, or Tuesday at 4:00pm EDT and lose rbergeron. 19:18:13 rbergeron, How do you feel about that? 19:18:54 stickster: i can pop in as needed. 19:19:15 rbergeron, So would you agree that we should try to catch averi by shifting to Tuesday at 4pm EDT? 19:19:19 i'm okay with it - I think it's more important to have the people doing the implementing, and quite frankly, i can't help there. :) 19:19:46 rbergeron, OK, makes sense -- wanted to make sure you didn't feel stiffed if we move the time :-) 19:20:00 :) 19:21:05 OK, one last consideration -- next Tuesday I won't be around online; I'll be working at the Red Hat Summit. So I would move that... 19:21:27 #idea we meet next Monday, May 2 as the last Monday meeting, and then the next meeting following that will be Tuesday, May 10 at 4:00pm EDT (2000 UTC). 19:21:36 +/-1? 19:22:22 it looks good to me 19:22:29 * rbergeron thinks that sounds good as well 19:22:59 #agreed Schedule as above -- Mon May 2 at 1900 UTC is last Monday meeting, next meeting following is Tue May 10 at 4:00pm EDT (2000 UTC). 19:23:17 #topic Features plan 19:23:45 asrob, So you discovered this cool module, tell us a little more about it. http://drupal.org/project/features 19:24:21 stickster: http://developmentseed.org/blog/2009/may/29/making-and-using-features-drupal 19:24:54 stickster: we can develop our features with this modules easily 19:25:21 we can export/import our features into a module like a contrib module 19:26:02 So we could git-manage that set of modules as with any other code 19:26:32 yep, we can maintain our features in a git repository 19:27:13 and if we have to use a "cool gallery", just git clone into drupal dir and enable on features page 19:28:24 but I do not suggest that we write into files(.inc, .module etc.) directly 19:29:03 Yeah, if we're using regular contrib modules, those should really be packaged so the entire community can use them 19:29:42 asrob, But I had some additional questions on the list waiting for answers... such as (1) does Features capture permission changes for roles that relate to new modules? 19:30:43 stickster: you can capture permissions, but I could not test it with our FAS module, I could test it contrib modules 19:31:16 asrob, Do you mean there is something wrong with authfas module? Or just that you didn't have a chance to try it? 19:31:31 If there's a bug, I'd be happy to take a look at it and fix it :-) 19:31:33 stickster: I have not any chance 19:31:45 asrob, OK, no problem -- just wanted to make sure I didn't write something terribly wrong :-) 19:32:06 if I could test it our dev server, it will be good ;) 19:32:14 asrob, So I had some other questions outstanding on the list, if you could answer there it would be very helpful 19:32:30 I am looking for that email, wait a sec ;) 19:32:57 asrob, You can take your time and answer it after meeting, no worries 19:33:07 In the meantime... 19:33:16 #action stickster finish review in .bug 698590 19:33:44 2., 3., is these related to FAS module, am I right? 19:34:14 What 2. and 3. are you referring to? 19:34:26 Oh, my questinos! 19:34:29 *questions, even. 19:34:33 " (2) the group 19:34:34 membership to map to "authenticated users", and (3) the FAS group 19:34:36 <--> Drupal RID mappings. Will it capture these?" 19:34:57 Yes 19:35:00 Both related to authfas 19:35:26 okay, I need to test it 19:35:36 authfas uses the .install to add a table to the database with FAS group <--> Drupal rid mappings. 19:36:01 In the best case scenario, we could add those using Features as well 19:36:25 asrob, So if you see where I'm going with this -- we could turn our entire pages of customization directions into Features commits through git. 19:36:51 okay 19:36:57 asrob, The ultimate purpose is to make recreating the system as automated as possible 19:37:10 I still don't think we can automate moving the content :-) 19:37:36 But at the very least, we could have a better capture of what we do in git than simply emailing or IRC'ing 19:37:39 I'll figure it out how to do this :) 19:37:59 #action asrob continue working on way to use Features to manage our development deployment 19:38:27 OK, that brings us to the last agenda item which is... 19:38:32 #topic Start phase 2 discussions 19:39:01 #info Overall, the purpose of having a project plan is to set out which problems we want to solve, so we can move on to gathering requirements for solving each. 19:41:17 stickster: I think, built-in calendar system is almost done 19:41:40 asrob, I want to be careful that we understand what problems we're solving with the calendar system, and with other modules, before we deploy them 19:41:57 * nirik looks up at the mention of calendar 19:41:59 asrob, Because we don't want to get in a situation where people are coming to us, one small change at a time, over and over 19:42:16 stickster: hmm, you are right 19:42:17 does this help us with ticket 1197 ? 19:42:20 asrob, We should do a proper job of gathering all the requirements first, and then implement the calendar to handle all those requirements. 19:42:25 .ticket 1197 19:42:28 nirik: #1197 (Lets find a calendar server.) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1197 19:43:09 nirik, Possibly, but again, we'd need to know all the requirements to be certain. 19:43:38 The Drupal Calendar module doesn't automatically do things like LDAP integration, sync, etc. 19:43:48 That ticket's pretty long to try and digest what people are really looking for. 19:44:00 indeed. 19:44:13 so perhaps we should at some time brainstorm a real list of requirements. 19:44:21 If people want a groupware/appointment system, that's different than e.g. a submittable, shareable group calendar 19:45:08 I personally was wanting more a shareable group calendar. 19:45:45 yeah, I am just excited due to phase2 and Features :) 19:46:02 nirik, I like that idea. Set up a wiki page and open it for input? We should ask people to list each requirement along with what they feel is its overall importance. In other words, Feature X might be great to have, but it's not a deal-breaker. 19:46:26 yeah. I thought there might be one, but if not I can create one. 19:46:59 nirik, That would be awesome if you could do so -- maybe blog it so people see where they can put in their hit list items? 19:47:19 * stickster is going to be very tight on time for the next two weeks due to hectic travel schedule 19:47:31 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Herlo/Fedora_Calendar_Project_Desired_Features_(Draft) 19:47:38 \o/ 19:48:07 will ping herlo about that. 19:48:51 nirik, You should definitely let them know we'd be using Drupal for this. It's well known, and supplants the "Zikula" suggestion given in the text (which pre-dates our moving to Drupal) 19:49:04 yeah. 19:52:04 stickster: could we talk about a ticket(#2695) later? 19:53:39 asrob, Certainly 19:53:45 Sorry, was in another conversation. 19:54:04 and sysadmin-insight membership 19:54:06 okay 19:54:09 #action nirik talk to herlo about draft calendar project wiki, and update of requirements to see if we could meet that need. 19:54:56 #idea I would like to see whatever major additions we want to make to Insight, added to our project plan page here in the next 2 weeks or so: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_project_plan 19:57:04 okay 19:59:53 asrob, That's about it for me 20:00:06 Anything else before we close? 20:00:17 * stickster has to get on phone for a $DAYJOB meeting 20:00:48 talk about a ticket and membership, or later? 20:01:10 asrob, we can do that in #fedora-mktg 20:01:22 okay then you can cloe 20:01:27 close 20:01:34 #endmeeting