14:03:49 #startmeeting APAC meeting 2011-06-29 14:03:49 Meeting started Wed Jun 29 14:03:49 2011 UTC. The chair is tuanta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:03:49 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:03:52 or bckurera 14:03:57 #meetingname APAC 14:03:57 The meeting name has been set to 'apac' 14:04:03 #topic Ambassador Pinging 14:04:12 .fas tuanta 14:04:13 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 14:04:16 .fas suresht 14:04:20 suresht: suresht 'Sureshkumar Packiyarajah' 14:04:23 .fas bckurera 14:04:24 bckurera: bckurera 'Buddhika Kurera' 14:04:31 #chair bckurera suresht 14:04:31 Current chairs: bckurera suresht tuanta 14:04:43 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2011-06-29 14:04:48 sorry, I am a bit late. but we can start now 14:04:55 thanks, bckurera 14:05:06 almost started :) 14:05:12 we have mether wil us 14:05:16 from bid - india 14:05:25 #chair kulll mether 14:05:25 Current chairs: bckurera kulll mether suresht tuanta 14:05:35 we dont have one from China as usual 14:05:40 .fas mether 14:05:41 mether: nigel '' - sundaram 'Rahul Sundaram' 14:05:59 This meeting is all about the FUDcon bids 14:06:18 we can discuss pros and cons about India and China and send our inputs to the FPL 14:06:30 +1 bckurera 14:06:39 +1 bckurera 14:06:44 +1 14:06:45 so please speak bckurera kulll mether suresht tuanta 14:07:04 no Chinese join with us today? 14:07:07 well, obviously I am in support of my bid and happy to answer any questions you folks might have 14:07:14 nope no Chinese 14:07:22 +1 mether, I know 14:07:32 great mether 14:07:41 +1 mether 14:07:54 +1 mether 14:08:03 .fas kulll 14:08:04 tuanta: kulll 'khairul anwar' 14:08:13 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:India_2011 14:08:26 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Beijing_2011 14:08:36 those are the wiki pages for India and China 14:08:39 #topic FUDcon APAC 14:08:47 without wasting time lets finish this soon 14:09:06 yes 14:09:08 so anyone have something to note on those two bids 14:09:31 further for India there was a FUDcon on 2006 14:10:03 hello guys any idea? 14:10:09 i have seen both India and China APAC FUDCon bids 14:10:26 yes suresht 14:10:38 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Archive:FUDCon:FUDConDelhi2006 14:10:47 it wasn't a fudcon as we know of it today 14:10:48 my first question, mether: why didn't we continue FUDCon in APAC in follow years (2007-2010)? 14:11:09 that was interesting que btw 14:11:36 We can discuss pros and cons on bids 14:11:39 we were building a local community and it is a long process as anyone who has tried to build a community from scratch in their region is aware 14:11:57 I can understand mether 14:11:59 * kital is lurking 14:12:01 +1 mether 14:12:15 compared to fudcon in 2006 where it was all Red Hat people running a few talks in a commercial conference 14:12:22 so do you feel now the contributor base is strong in India mether? 14:12:29 hi kital 14:12:45 nice to hear from you kital 14:12:47 It is certainly better than before. Enough to put up the proposal we did 14:12:52 #chair kital 14:12:52 Current chairs: bckurera kital kulll mether suresht tuanta 14:13:03 no resonce kital ping 14:13:08 could we use more contributors? certainly. 14:13:29 yes, I see 14:13:37 mether what is the FUDcon venu capacity? 14:13:53 It is in the wiki 14:14:01 see why COEP? 14:14:12 1000 for auditorium 14:14:20 150 for two room 14:14:25 50 to 70 for more rooms 14:14:36 in China bid it is not more than 100 14:14:43 we have asked for 6 rooms in total 14:15:01 and could potentially accommodate more if we count labs and so on 14:15:02 as I could remember that means we can have more people, am I right? 14:15:11 yes 14:15:47 COEP, the college is going to be canceling classes for Friday 14:15:47 it is a good point to mention 14:15:58 then what about the contributors 14:16:05 do you have enough volunteers 14:16:11 for talks and organizing? 14:16:24 yes, see organizing team in the end of the wiki page 14:16:35 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:India_2011#Organizers 14:16:54 scroll down to why COEP in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:India_2011#Bidding_info for info on the venue 14:16:57 India is the largest Fedora Community 14:17:09 that is also a plus for India bid because from July we have 4 months to work on 14:17:12 am I right mether? 14:17:34 yes, we have enough time to do things if the decision is made in a few days 14:17:39 have you meant "in APAC", suresht? 14:17:42 as FPL has noted 14:18:04 suresht, within APAC, I would agree. Globally, there are more contributors in US and Europe 14:18:07 mether is there any support from RedHat for planning and organizing at the moment? 14:18:27 good question, bckurera 14:18:37 +1 14:18:43 bckurera, Red Hat Pune members are participating in large numbers. We have people from practically all major teams 14:18:56 L10N, I18N, Support, Engineering and so on 14:19:06 tuanta, i mean compair to China 14:19:08 great :) 14:19:13 it is great that means you people have direct support from RedHat at the moment 14:19:15 hi azneita 14:19:19 hi azneita 14:19:23 h guys 14:19:29 #chair azneita 14:19:29 Current chairs: azneita bckurera kital kulll mether suresht tuanta 14:19:31 yes, certainly, dozens of speakers 14:19:31 azneita welcome 14:19:34 .fas azneita 14:19:35 tuanta: azneita 'Heherson Pagcaliwagan' 14:19:51 I donno about China Red Hat. 14:20:00 understand, suresht 14:20:11 * azneita looks for gbraad 14:20:16 We couldn't have put up the talks in a couple of weeks otherwise. We also have about 10 speakers or so from the volunteer community 14:20:27 azneita we are talking about the APAC FUDcon bids 14:20:48 yes we miss gbraad 14:20:50 hi liknus 14:20:51 bckurera, was looking for gbraad preciselly because of that 14:20:56 hey all 14:20:57 hi all 14:21:03 * liknus is here lurking 14:21:03 hi kushal 14:21:07 .fas kushal 14:21:08 tuanta: kushal 'Kushal Das' - kush4l 'Kushal Sakurdeep' - kushalsingh 'Kushal Pal Singh' - info4lkv 'Love Kushal Vaish' - kshsah 'kushal sahare' 14:21:11 .fas liknus 14:21:11 tuanta: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' 14:21:16 we have more people in welcome all 14:21:20 #chair liknus kushal 14:21:20 Current chairs: azneita bckurera kital kulll kushal liknus mether suresht tuanta 14:21:29 tuanta, the first kushal :p 14:21:41 hi azneita gbraad is available at fedora-ambassador usual channel 14:21:46 hi liknus 14:21:54 I think India community is so active than China at the moment and they can take the challenge. 14:21:58 hi kushal 14:22:05 +1 bckurera 14:22:05 +1 bckurera 14:22:29 +1 bckurera 14:22:31 I seems not to see any activities from China community 14:22:32 So what I believe is we have to help them to grow more and more 14:22:41 +1 bckurera 14:22:53 In fairness to China, there is a language barrier 14:22:54 this FUDcon is the oppertunity for that, so we can use it in favour of India 14:23:02 then, as harish mentioned, they should organize some FADs first 14:23:09 that is a con as well. 14:23:15 you are right, mether 14:23:33 the only plus thing for China is they have gbraad, that s good 14:23:35 +1 mether there is a language barrier 14:23:40 there are a few active contributors. they dont post much in mailing lists because of that problem 14:23:42 but in community wise we have to think more 14:23:57 I see, mether 14:24:07 that's we rarely see them 14:24:22 I have seen only one from China for APAC meetings as well :) 14:24:43 FUDCon has traditionally been not about new contributors but getting existing contributors together and getting things done. In that sense, I am positive than FUDCon in India will accomplish that goal well 14:24:44 +1 FADs first for china 14:24:45 bckurera, where is Howavi from China??? 14:25:03 he has come for 2 or 3 meeting 14:25:09 +1, mether. I see 14:25:11 say mether, are you guys just waiting for the go ahead for much of the practical details for fudcon? 14:25:16 then i could not find him 14:25:19 azneita, yes 14:25:20 This is one of the reasons we didn't do a FUDCon in the earlier years while we were building a community slowly 14:25:23 yes, suresht, he's from China 14:25:31 the first one we see in APAC meeting 14:25:55 great, I see the sense here, mether 14:25:56 I think a community should gain more experience first by doing FADs then by looking on their progress we can give them a FUDcon 14:25:59 yes tuanta 14:26:06 otherwise how we can assure their performances? 14:26:11 azneita, yes. we have the venue, dates for the venue, most of the agenda, organizing team in place. we have also talked to hotels for accommodation and a couple of places for fudpub 14:26:33 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:India_2011 14:26:38 we have to arrange the goodies, take care of catering etc and that we can only do after the location is picked 14:26:40 so how do this work? show of hands? 14:27:09 considering the fact that china has not sooo much contributors - how long is the VISA Application Process for a Chinese VISA? 14:27:30 yes Visa is a problem in China with compare to India 14:27:30 yes, that's also my concern, kital 14:27:33 ^^ has not sooo much contributors - which means we have to ship some over 14:28:01 indeed kital +1 14:28:28 how long for india? the visa i mean? 14:28:42 we can get india visa within 2 days of time 14:28:54 that's fast 14:28:55 Getting visa for India is quite easy and cheaper in SL 14:29:24 kital, you can tell azneita how many days it took for you last time 14:29:25 can we get a visa on arrival, mether 14:29:26 Visa generally won't be a problem to come to India. People have done that before including kital 14:29:27 ? 14:29:28 kital, visa 14:29:31 #info Visa for India can be taken with in 2 days 14:29:38 tuanta, no 14:29:41 azneita: from germany if i drive to the munich office of the india embassy - the same day 14:29:48 thanks, kushal 14:29:50 by post 14-30 days 14:29:52 wow 14:29:53 i am not sure about China visa 14:29:54 tuanta, no visa on arrival. you have to apply earlier but processing is not slow 14:29:55 oh that is fast 14:30:21 Visa is the major consideration 14:30:28 what about the fligh tickets? 14:30:44 bckurera, details on our bid page :) 14:31:02 kushal, +1 14:31:06 for India it is cheaper than China, most of the time there is a transist via Hong Kong 14:31:27 bckurera, every question you ever asked is answered in the wiki :-) 14:31:47 nice; 14:31:48 I can walk to India embassy in Hanoi within 5 minutes :) 14:31:49 I will add visa details as well 14:32:02 so is there any considerations? 14:32:04 but do talk to your local travel agent 14:32:22 We really miss China FAms. 14:32:22 for international participants, budget is a major consideration 14:32:35 we have to be quite selective 14:32:56 no, bckurera, Chinese will also get a visa to India easily 14:33:03 this meeting log can be used others to take an idia about the bid I think 14:33:15 +1 bckurera 14:33:32 we have a budget of 15000 dollars, US and Europe participation takes about $1000 dollars for a round trip. Obviously we can't do a lot here. Within APAC is cheaper 14:33:33 so please add APAC voice guys 14:33:35 it's better if we can have a Chinese Ams here 14:34:07 mether, in srilanka there are no issue to geting India visa boz now they have online application system after fill via online we have to take print out pdf the directly going to submit to high comm that all 14:34:17 suresht, good to know 14:35:16 nice info suresht 14:35:29 With that in consideration, I have outlined a criteria for sponsorship 14:35:32 in the wiki 14:35:41 understood mether 14:35:45 please do refer to that and let me know if you find it acceptable 14:36:00 one have to be a speaker or join hackfest 14:36:05 "Proposed sponsorship criteria" 14:36:12 yes 14:36:29 I have also put up detailed budget info in the spreadsheet 14:36:40 I am talking to more organizations 14:36:44 to be co-sponsors 14:37:08 and if we get a better budget, I will certainly welcome more people to participate 14:37:42 cooler, mether :) 14:38:38 the organizations i have talked to, we can't proceed further without the location being selected first 14:38:47 so yes, we have done all that we can at this point 14:39:43 we have another 20 mins left for ending the meeting so bckurera tuanta azneita and all our decision will be??? India or China??? 14:39:44 by lookng at the bids, you guys have covered more ground than china 14:40:20 do take a vote or make a decision however you prefer. I will refrain from voting for obvious reasons. 14:40:33 you would liek to have a vote, suresht? 14:40:41 s/liek/like 14:40:47 no voting here 14:41:01 already we have said 14:41:16 ok, suresht :) 14:41:23 3 of us +1 for India 14:41:30 +1 india 14:41:38 we are waiting for azneita 14:42:11 done kulll 14:42:15 aha, i'm for india too but i wish gbraad is here to answer queries 14:42:29 although, this vote is just a reference for final decision, it's still very important 14:42:42 +1 tuanta 14:42:52 it's quite interesting how they put together their bid in a short span of time 14:42:57 since it's a voice from APAC contributors 14:43:20 * kital pinged gbraad in #fedora-zh 14:43:37 azneita, that is right India has long term plane 14:44:01 i saw that page last year 14:44:36 or is that early this year 14:45:01 azneita, yes early in this year 14:45:04 azneita, we took few years to build up this community 14:45:24 Considering a FUDCon is a place to meet and colaborate - considering also both bids are worthy for the formal side - which fudcon would work torwards our main goal - which is "release early, release often" 14:45:24 azneita, and now we ready to have the FUDCon and get things done 14:45:32 btw guys, most of the talks are geared towards techie stuff 14:45:36 s/for/from/ 14:45:41 we have shown our hands for India Bid 14:45:59 the wiki page has been created last year 14:46:00 #info we have shown our hands for India Bid 14:46:02 #link https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=FUDCon:India_2011&dir=prev&action=history 14:46:18 on August 2010 14:46:38 * we are 14:46:48 azneita, considering that FUDCon is a technical conference, that is expected but anyone is submit more talks to cover other things:-) 14:47:01 * kital shuts up 14:47:09 tuanta, yes indeed. I created it last year but we didn't get any momentum and shifted it this year 14:47:19 kital, thanks 14:47:19 most of the stuff we're currently doing in the philippines is community oriented 14:47:20 :) 14:47:52 once the budget was announced this year, we could put up a more concrete proposal keeping that in mind 14:48:02 don't mind me guys ;) 14:48:23 azneita, the early stages of a new community, you do tend to do more community work 14:48:43 azneita, as the community matures, it gears up to be more technical. I think that is just a natural progression 14:49:00 i say we'll get there :) 14:49:06 azneita, certainly 14:49:24 anything else on our plate? 14:50:12 no more at me 14:50:21 hope we are missing Dramsey here. 14:50:33 +1 suresht :) 14:50:36 tuanta, lets move 14:50:46 .fas hers 14:50:46 azneita: azneita 'Heherson Pagcaliwagan' - manty01actual 'Clayton Struthers' - bbbush 'Yuan Yijun' - dmacpher 'Dan Macpherson' - zephyrus 'James Buchanan' - maherseif 'Maher K. Seif' - brothers 'Jared Brothers' - fabsh 'Fabian A. Scherschel' (3 more messages) 14:51:04 .fas Yuan 14:51:05 kushal: bbbush 'Yuan Yijun' - tianyuanfeige '' - foxhope '' - devil '阳光' - sayyuan 'yuanlubin' - linuxcn 'yuan Lux' - gray0825 'gray.yuan' - zhang800806 '袁博' - lubin 'yuanlubin' - yongyuan '' (2 more messages) 14:51:08 sorry, hers are you haowei? 14:51:19 .fasinfo bbbush 14:51:20 kushal: User: bbbush, Name: Yuan Yijun, email: bbbush.yuan@gmail.com, Creation: 2005-10-23, IRC Nick: hers, Timezone: Asia/Shanghai, Locale: zh_CN, Extension: 5100291, GPG key ID: 83349285, Status: active 14:51:23 kushal: Approved Groups: cla_fpca cla_done cla_fedora fedorabugs packager docs ambassadors +cvsl10n l10n-commits freemedia +packager-zh 14:51:46 ok, next topic is just Open Floor 14:51:48 Shanghai is china ? isn't ? 14:51:50 move on now? 14:51:57 azneita, did you change it? 14:52:01 kushal, yes 14:52:02 yes, kushalkushal 14:52:15 tuanta, no 14:52:36 i got excited seeing hers joining the roo 14:52:47 azneita, ok 14:53:06 hi hers 14:53:25 hers, anything you'd like to say about the china fudcon bid? 14:53:45 kushal, sort of like mumbai. port city 14:53:56 mether, ok, I remember all movies :p 14:54:32 :) 14:54:46 shall we call it a night gentlemen? 14:54:54 azneita, sure 14:54:58 tuanta, shall we end this? 14:55:29 do send your recommendations to the FPL :-) He says ambassadors input in this region is vital to his decision 14:56:04 #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fudcon-planning/2011-June/002453.html 14:56:30 suresht, I see a lot of ideas left 14:56:32 do you guys still need it? :D 14:56:40 azneita, we do 14:56:45 azneita, seriously 14:57:15 kushal, no worries you alredy have my vote 14:57:17 yes. regardless of the location, I do recommend sending your input across with your considerations 14:57:17 tuanta, no prob go on 14:57:23 :) 14:58:43 azneita~ tuanta~ hi. 14:59:15 tuanta, time=meeting we have 2 min left 14:59:43 hers, have you got any information about FUDCon China bid? 14:59:54 yes, I see, suresht 15:00:13 many people are excited to see FADCon in China, and I think Beijing is a nice choice. 15:00:32 s/FADCon/FUDCon 15:00:40 :) 15:00:45 FAD is different 15:01:14 as you join here late, you can see the meeting logs 15:01:54 we discussed a lot about FUDCon in India, instead 15:02:16 thanks for attending kital mether kushal kulll tuanta azneita liknus 15:02:26 ^_^ 15:02:28 thanks, suresht 15:02:46 the time is over 15:02:55 any questions or ideas? 15:03:54 that's enough today? 15:04:03 yes tuanta 15:04:07 so, we should end the meeting now 15:04:09 counting... 15:04:29 5 15:04:32 4 15:04:33 https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=FUDCon:Bid_for_Beijing_2011/zh&action=history 15:04:44 please read how many people are preparing for the bid 15:04:55 what about India's? 15:05:34 it's much more, hers 15:05:37 #link https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=FUDCon:India_2011&action=history 15:05:52 sorry, it's over, hers 15:06:00 see you next 15:06:03 3 15:06:03 thanks. 15:06:07 2 15:06:09 1 15:06:12 0.5 15:06:16 #endmeeting