19:59:46 <rbergeron> #startmeeting Fedora Marketing Meeting
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19:59:51 <rbergeron> #meetingname Fedora Marketing
19:59:51 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_marketing'
20:00:00 <rbergeron> WELCOME ONE AND ALL
20:00:04 <rbergeron> #topic Who's here, yo?
20:00:13 * rbergeron gathers the peoples
20:00:23 * ke4zvu3 waves
20:00:44 <suehle> Hello, peoples!
20:00:44 * jsmith is here!
20:00:51 <rbergeron> Alrighty! We haz 4 people.
20:01:00 <suehle> But we're good peoples.
20:01:08 <rbergeron> Indeed.
20:01:15 <rbergeron> I'll give any late-comers a minute or two.
20:01:16 <inode0> others are hiding too bashful to talk
20:01:24 <rbergeron> inode0: :)
20:01:45 <rbergeron> ...and we haz one more.
20:01:55 <johnmark> I B HERE
20:02:03 * nirik is shy and lurking.
20:02:12 <rbergeron> hey nirik :)
20:02:16 <nirik> hey
20:02:19 * rbergeron looks on her calendar to see the last time nirik was shy
20:02:23 <rbergeron> ...wow, been a while. :)
20:02:32 <nirik> gotta keep in practice. ;)
20:02:37 <rbergeron> good call.
20:02:45 <rbergeron> Okay, I'll get vaguely started, I suppose. :)
20:02:52 <johnmark> vaguely?
20:02:53 <rbergeron> #topic Welcome back
20:02:55 <rbergeron> Yes.
20:03:02 <bckurera> hello folks
20:03:06 <rbergeron> So, HI EVERYONE, it's been a while.
20:03:15 <rbergeron> hey bckurera :)
20:03:33 <rbergeron> #info I'm hoping we can all get back in the swing of things by getting back to having regular marketing meetings.
20:03:43 <bckurera> it is great to see marketing meeting live again, thanks rbergeron
20:04:11 <rbergeron> We have a couple of old-schoolers, and a couple of new folks, and it was suggested that perhaps a refresher course on What The Heck Does Marketing Do, Anyway, might be useful. (Thanks for the suggestion, suehle :D)
20:04:11 <suehle> If it was dead, and now it's undead, is this a zombie marketing meeting?
20:04:37 <johnmark> BRAAAAIIIIIINZZZ
20:04:54 <bckurera> may be better time slot for meetings :)
20:04:54 <rbergeron> Yes. Our first order of business is to solve: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=746698
20:05:01 * rbergeron kids
20:05:21 <bckurera> because the this time slot is very bad for APAC
20:05:23 <suehle> Aw, access denied. I do not have permission to solve zombie bugs.
20:05:28 <bckurera> for me it is 1:35 am now :)
20:05:46 <rbergeron> OH. That's so lame.
20:05:49 <rbergeron> Okay. Well, anyway.
20:05:54 <rbergeron> #topic What the heck does marketing do?
20:06:06 <rbergeron> Now is the time wherein I will discuss What Marketing Does (or should do, I suppose.)
20:06:12 <rbergeron> So a few pointers, for your reference:
20:06:21 <rbergeron> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing
20:06:24 <rbergeron> We have a wiki page.
20:06:31 <rbergeron> A sorely out of date, needing-love wiki page.
20:06:49 <ke4zvu3> perhaps even some gardening ?
20:06:57 <rbergeron> I'll just say up front: You have permission to do pretty much what you want on the wiki page. If you feel like cleaning up, or asking questions, BY ALL MEANS, please do so.
20:07:01 <rbergeron> That said:
20:07:19 <rbergeron> #info The wiki page contains links to the things we work on, which I'll discuss shortly.
20:07:32 <rbergeron> (BTW, if you have questions while I'm blathering on, please interrupt me.)
20:07:35 <rbergeron> So:
20:07:48 <rbergeron> As you all (hopefully) know, we operate on a time-based schedule here in Fedora-land.
20:07:57 <rbergeron> Every 6 Months, we have new beefiness.
20:08:04 <rbergeron> THREE freakin thirty. Welcome :)
20:08:05 <suehle> All hail Beefiness.
20:08:11 <rbergeron> Yes.
20:08:11 <bckurera> rbergeron we can archive F14 related things and clean up the wiki right?
20:08:15 <threethirty> hey rbergeron
20:08:48 <rbergeron> bckurera: absolutely, though it might be helpful to leave the table where things are listed from release-to-release, until F17 development starts.
20:09:11 <rbergeron> And in accordance with our time-based schedule, we have Time-based things to do, that go hand in hand with the schedule.
20:09:27 <bckurera> rbergeron seems like i m interested in cleaning up :)
20:09:34 <rbergeron> So things like Release Notes, Feature Profiles, Screenshots, etc. all get done at approximjately the same time every release.
20:09:46 <rbergeron> And we of course have a schedule.
20:09:50 <rbergeron> http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-marketing-tasks.html
20:09:53 <rbergeron> rrix!
20:09:55 <threethirty> /kick rrix
20:09:59 <rbergeron> OMG, so much love :)
20:10:02 <rrix> :<
20:10:05 <rrix> threethirty: LOVE YOU TOO BUDDY
20:10:13 <threethirty> rrix <3
20:10:28 <rbergeron> Beyond this stuff that is very tied to the schedule, we do a few other things.
20:10:43 <rbergeron> #info Beyond schedule-related stuff like release announcements & etc., we also do other things.
20:10:50 <bckurera> threethirty rrix suehle Hi to all :)
20:10:55 <rbergeron> #info We also deal with Fedora's social media "stuff."
20:10:58 <threethirty> hey bckurera
20:11:30 <rbergeron> (This is mostly done by the always epic ke4zvu3, who is awesome.)
20:11:50 <rbergeron> #info We also do our best to track news items.
20:12:05 <rbergeron> Most of this stuff comes into the mailing list, by way of being tagged wtih [in the news].
20:12:36 <rbergeron> We try to watch out for egregious wrongness in those articles as well.
20:12:39 <bckurera> When talking about Social Media; we should always worry about the branding guidelines;
20:12:41 <bckurera> as marketing team when we spread the news about f.po, branding concern is the #1
20:13:10 <rbergeron> bckurera: what do you mean?
20:13:40 * rbergeron thinks we usually do a pretty good job of following branding guidelines, though usually the branding guidelines pertain to look and feel, etc.
20:13:58 <bckurera> rbergeron just noted :)
20:14:01 <rbergeron> okay ;)
20:14:11 <rbergeron> #info We also work closely with other teams in Fedora.
20:14:16 <rbergeron> I'll topic about those real quick.
20:14:22 <rbergeron> #topic Other teams we work closely with.
20:14:39 <rbergeron> #info Design team.
20:14:43 <rbergeron> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design
20:14:58 <rbergeron> So speaking of look and feel, this awesome team does that work.
20:15:12 <bckurera> nice design team ;)
20:15:22 <rbergeron> Including logos, etc, following the logo guidelines, etc.
20:15:35 <rbergeron> #info Ambassadors team.
20:15:41 <rbergeron> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors
20:16:17 <rbergeron> Ambassadors is, if you will, loosely, the on-the-street team, though they all certainly fulfill roles beyond that. They're the group that organizes and staffs booths at conferences, spreads swag, orders media, etc. Among other things.
20:16:33 <rbergeron> #info Websites team.
20:16:37 <rbergeron> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites
20:17:25 <rbergeron> These are the good folks we work with for creation of content on the website (though certainly we could help out more); this team takes artwork from the design team, and makes stuff into a nice coherent looking website, and we sometimes provide content for them.
20:17:50 <rbergeron> I think that loosely covers things, though certainly there are other things going on, and we all help each other out as needed.
20:17:53 <rbergeron> WHEW.
20:17:59 <rbergeron> Okay, any questions so far?
20:18:03 <rrix> Don't forget the Meat SIG!
20:18:18 <rbergeron> I can dive into "how screwed are we right now", aka: what needs doin', taking feedback, whatever.
20:18:28 * rbergeron looks around
20:18:42 <threethirty> how screwed are we?
20:19:05 <rbergeron> Ah! What a great question.
20:19:19 <rbergeron> #topic How are we doing RIGHT NOW?
20:19:31 <rbergeron> I'll make it look politer for people skimming minutes. ;)
20:19:36 * rbergeron grins
20:19:37 <threethirty> lol
20:19:43 <rbergeron> So. A few things:
20:19:52 <rbergeron> #info We have the release announcement coming up soon.
20:19:53 <bckurera> rbergeron ; we can have a marketing intro page with those info plus some good graphics by linking to the marketing wiki page
20:20:25 <bckurera> last one sounds an #idea :)
20:20:39 <rbergeron> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_announcement
20:20:47 <rbergeron> That's an example of the release announcement from last go-round.
20:20:56 <rbergeron> (I'll get back to that in a minute, as there are some ideas in the pipeline there.)
20:21:15 <rbergeron> #idea have a marketing intro page with info, graphics, linking to the marketing wiki page.
20:21:43 <rbergeron> #info One Page Release Notes haven't been started.
20:21:47 <rbergeron> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_one_page_release_notes
20:22:12 <rbergeron> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_one_page_release_notes
20:22:18 <bckurera> ke4zvu3 hello :)
20:22:28 <rbergeron> F14 is probably a better example, more replete with screenshots and such.
20:22:34 <jsmith> rbergeron: I've got the one-sheet press kit draft as well, if folks feel like reviewing it
20:22:56 <rbergeron> #info One Page Release Notes are usually formatted for printing / possibly handing out at booths, etc.
20:23:01 <bckurera> seems like yes jsmith :)
20:23:05 <rbergeron> Think of it as release notes, but, more human-consumable.
20:23:10 <rbergeron> jsmith: linky please?
20:23:12 <rbergeron> #chair jsmith
20:23:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: jsmith rbergeron
20:23:30 <ke4zvu3> rbergeron: are there release notes consumable for non-humans ?
20:23:45 <jsmith> #link http://jsmith.fedorapeople.org/Drafts/
20:23:46 <ke4zvu3> rbergeron: and if so, are we even qualified to produce such documentation for that target audience?
20:24:01 <rbergeron> #info We also have a one-page press kit, that is given out to media folks at release time with a USB key.
20:24:14 <rbergeron> ke4zvu3: I was being silly. But yes, we certainly are. :D
20:24:15 <threethirty> ke4zvu3, i know an ET so I'll ask him
20:24:27 <jsmith> (which is what I linked to above)
20:24:53 <rbergeron> #info We haven't done any of the talking points for this release.
20:24:56 <rbergeron> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_16_talking_points
20:25:01 <rbergeron> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_talking_points
20:25:28 <rbergeron> Talking points are generally used by Ambassadors, other folks talking about fedora, and it's also a nice place to send press people for a more reader-friendly version of what's going in the release. :)
20:25:47 * rbergeron stretches her fingers
20:25:55 <rbergeron> I'm looking around, y'all are pretty quiet :)
20:26:22 <suehle> we're listening :)
20:26:23 <jsmith> Now that we have an idea of what we're doing RIGHT NOW, maybe we can ask folks what they're interested in helping with?
20:26:34 <bckurera> lot of info there to figure out :)
20:26:36 <jsmith> Is there something in particular that sounds interesting to YOU?!?
20:26:38 * threethirty ponders the value of doing 3 versions of the same thing
20:26:49 <rbergeron> jsmith: I'm getting there :)
20:26:58 <jsmith> rbergeron: Sorry to steal your thunder :-/
20:27:07 <rbergeron> it's okay. it happens.
20:27:08 * rbergeron pouts
20:27:12 <suehle> I need to run, but I will read the rest of this tomorrow and contribute heartily.
20:27:19 <rbergeron> lol
20:27:24 <rbergeron> #topic Anything sound interesting to anyone?
20:27:36 <bckurera> all are interesting
20:27:40 <rbergeron> In short: This stuff needs love.
20:28:03 <rbergeron> I'd like to point out that the release announcement has been pointed at as a possible place to pay tribute to Dennis Ritchie, in a thread on the advisory board list.
20:28:04 <bckurera> indeed yes and we have a very short period so we need lot of support too
20:28:29 <rbergeron> Yup.
20:28:31 <bckurera> yes I have noticed that rbergeron
20:28:48 <jsmith> rbergeron: In fact, the Fedora Board discussed that in our meeting today, and would love to make it happen, if we can do it (within the constraints of time and translation string freeze, etc.)
20:28:51 <rbergeron> And the talking points are a fairly easy thing to pick up as well, contributing even one or two points would be helpful.
20:29:06 <rbergeron> well, the release announcement isn't exactly on the same constraints as string freeze.
20:29:46 <rbergeron> I think for release notes, yeah, that's going to be more difficult.
20:30:34 <rbergeron> and threethirty: yeah, i do wonder the value as well.
20:30:40 <rbergeron> Though a lot of it can be copied back and forth.
20:30:48 <threethirty> that is true
20:30:49 <rbergeron> And i've increasingly done that over the last few releases.
20:30:52 <rbergeron> As my time has gotten thinner.
20:30:54 <rbergeron> :)
20:31:27 <rbergeron> So if I can't pick up volunteers today, I'll probably be hitting the mailing list for love and help.
20:31:34 <johnmark> oy
20:31:34 <rbergeron> It's certainly worth thinking about if you can help with.
20:31:39 <johnmark> that sounds like a plea :)
20:31:46 <bckurera> release notes and talking points are the major interest for now right?
20:31:51 <rbergeron> And in many cases, it's not a HUGE time investment, particularly if we can get folks collaborating at the same time, etherpad style, etc.
20:32:01 <rbergeron> bckurera: I'd say release announcement and talking points.
20:32:14 <rbergeron> The one-page-release-notes are pretty much Nice To Have, IMO.
20:32:28 <johnmark> rbergeron: forgive the dumb question, but I'm a n00b
20:32:52 <rbergeron> bckurera: maybe you'd be interested in helping with talking points, and trying to gather a few people around filling those out? A blog post, etc. could help out here quite a bit in terms of getting people to pitch in, too.
20:32:52 <johnmark> rbergeron: where do the talking points come from? do we make those up? is there some list of features, new hotness, etc?
20:33:00 <rbergeron> WHY YES, so glad you asked.
20:33:08 <johnmark> :)
20:33:11 <rbergeron> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FeatureList
20:33:17 <johnmark> aha! presto
20:33:17 <rbergeron> those ar ethe features accepted by Fesco for this release.
20:33:39 <rbergeron> That I need to update %s on when I have like 12 seconds of time, but are all ready to go for final release.
20:33:49 <threethirty> i guess the first thing we should attack is the long for release announcement so we can cut away what we dont need for the others. Is there anyone that knew/worked with Mr. Ritchie because if we are going to discuss his passing I personally would like to see it be from someone who actually knew him
20:33:59 <rbergeron> But as you can see, these are basically features with descriptions written by developers.
20:34:09 <rbergeron> Which need to get beautified, and pulled into something more cohesive-sounding.
20:34:18 <johnmark> right
20:34:19 <rbergeron> And then we also feature some of the bigger stuff in the release announcement.
20:34:24 <johnmark> ok
20:34:33 <rbergeron> Probably in sections like: Desktop, Sysadmin, Developer, Cloud.
20:34:37 <bckurera> indeed
20:34:39 <rbergeron> Since we now have all this cloud stuff.
20:34:43 <rbergeron> GOSH I WONDER HOW THAT HAPPENED
20:34:52 <johnmark> rbergeron: I would think that would be a big item
20:35:07 <rbergeron> yes, and you're not biased there either, are you :)
20:35:26 <bckurera> i am :D
20:35:34 <rbergeron> :)
20:35:34 <johnmark> teehee
20:35:45 <rbergeron> threethirty: I don't know that anyone really is.
20:36:04 <inode0> I sort of prefer a less personal dedication - it is from a project filled with people who did not know him personally
20:36:15 <rbergeron> And I don't know that we want to make it long-winded, or if we want to make it more, "Fedora is in the spirit of Ritchie" -ish, and talk more about the focus on innovation, etc.
20:36:28 <johnmark> rbergeron: surely someone out there in the fedora wilds has a personal anecdote from Mr. Ritchie
20:36:30 <rbergeron> inode0: I'm pretty much with you there, I think.
20:36:39 <threethirty> inode0, i see your point
20:36:48 * inode0 does know someone with an anecdote
20:37:02 <johnmark> ...but would probably need to be kept short
20:37:32 <rbergeron> inode0: in fedora-land?
20:37:35 <johnmark> rbergeron: ah, never mind. I see where you guys are going with this
20:37:37 <inode0> yes
20:37:44 <rbergeron> inode0: is it you? :)
20:38:40 <inode0> well, if an anecdote is desired we can ask - I'm not sure it would really fit
20:38:56 <rbergeron> I don't know. it seems like something where we could proably have a few people take a stab at hte idea / intro, if nothing else.
20:39:30 <rbergeron> I like the idea of tying it somehow to the four foundations in some way, or at least to innovation and creativity.
20:39:37 <johnmark> rbergeron: seemed like some folks on the advisory list had some strong opinions
20:39:51 <rbergeron> johnmark: indeed.
20:39:55 <rbergeron> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations
20:40:00 <rbergeron> (for those unfamiliar)
20:40:10 <rbergeron> (/me coughs in johnmark's general direction)
20:40:14 <bckurera> better take this to ML and open for ideas; what you guys say
20:40:33 <johnmark> :)
20:40:46 <rbergeron> I think that seems reasonable, so long as we can keep it on a short timeframe.
20:40:47 <johnmark> rbergeron: stop that
20:41:03 * rbergeron notes that release is Nov. 8
20:41:23 <rbergeron> ...and it's usually nice to send it a bit beforehand, so translation folks can get ahold of it.
20:41:27 <johnmark> rbergeron: personally, I think it would be 1. difficult and 2. a bit self-serving to tie DMR to the 4 foundations
20:41:29 <rbergeron> err, have it written a bit beforehand.
20:41:47 <rbergeron> johnmark: perhaps :)
20:41:51 <bckurera> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F16_one_page_release_notes depends on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_16_talking_points
20:41:56 <rbergeron> johnmark: just throwing out ideas. i'm listening for yours, now :)
20:41:59 <johnmark> rbergeron: better, I think, to just write up a nice dedication in the announcement
20:42:04 <bckurera> so I think finishing up http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_16_talking_points soon will help
20:42:08 <bckurera> right?
20:42:22 <rbergeron> bckurera: indeed
20:42:23 <threethirty> that is true bckurera
20:42:33 <vouzico> I agree with johnmark, a nice dedication would be more elegant...
20:42:35 <johnmark> rbergeron: that wasn't intended to be a slam :)
20:42:50 <rbergeron> i know :)
20:42:54 <johnmark> heh
20:42:59 <bckurera> great then shall we work on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_16_talking_points and finish it soon with in like 2 weeks
20:43:08 <johnmark> and if it can be written by someone who knew him, great. If not, it won't be a big loss
20:43:17 <rbergeron> bckurera: do you want to take the lead on that?
20:43:33 <rbergeron> I can certainly help out.
20:43:33 <bckurera> as long as others are helping I am in :)
20:43:40 <rbergeron> Or give guidance at the bare minimum :)
20:43:53 <rbergeron> bckurera: maybe the place to start would be for you to talk about doing it on the mailing list?
20:44:03 <rbergeron> and see if you can get others to pitch in?
20:44:08 <vouzico> bckurera> I am a complete noob, but ready to help :)
20:44:09 <bckurera> ok I ll start work after having my sleep :D
20:44:31 <rbergeron> #action bckurera to take the lead on the Talking Points
20:44:41 * inode0 agrees with johnmark about not getting carried away
20:44:57 <johnmark> bckurera: I can probably be somewhat useful on the cloud-y bits
20:45:00 <bckurera> rbergeron is it ok to alter FAm ML also?
20:45:25 <bckurera> johnmark good to know that :)
20:45:38 <rbergeron> bckurera: so many of those folks are signed up to both mailing lists - like, a LOT of them
20:45:42 <johnmark> so you're not completely alone ;)
20:45:53 <rbergeron> if you think it's helpful and appropriate, then I'd go for it.
20:46:01 <rbergeron> #action johnmark to pitch in with the Cloud bits on the talking points
20:46:14 <bckurera> rbergeron yup sure
20:46:34 <rbergeron> WRT: release announcement. Now taking suggestions on where to go from here....
20:46:53 <rbergeron> A nice anecdote, a nice dedication, followed by traditional announcement?
20:47:05 * rbergeron should hav estuck "or" in between anecdote and dedication
20:47:07 <johnmark> rbergeron: that's my vote
20:47:13 <inode0> I think something like ...
20:47:38 <inode0> We are please to announce the release of ... dedicated to the memory of Dennis Ritchie. <one more sentence>
20:47:44 <inode0> the the regular stuff
20:48:18 <johnmark> inode0: +1
20:48:34 <jsmith> "While few of us knew him personally, he had a tremendous impact on the work we do in Fedora."
20:48:37 <jsmith> Something like that?
20:48:43 * rbergeron is pleased to just do that, worksforme.
20:48:47 <rbergeron> Yup.
20:49:24 <threethirty> jsmith, good stuff
20:49:51 * rbergeron looks around for nodding heads before agreeing it
20:50:07 * johnmark NODS
20:50:19 * threethirty NODS
20:51:14 <bckurera> folks it is getting too late for me
20:51:31 <rbergeron> bckurera: understood, I'll be shipping out meeting minutes shortly :)
20:51:41 <johnmark> ok, what else?
20:51:50 <bckurera> I ll start work on talking points soon by today morning
20:51:53 <rbergeron> #agree Something like "We are please to announce the release of ... dedicated to the memory of Dennis Ritchie. <one more sentence>
20:51:55 <bckurera> it is 19th here :)
20:52:12 <bckurera> then see you all around
20:52:13 <rbergeron> #idea "While few of us knew him personally, he had a tremendous impact on the work we do in Fedora."
20:52:27 <bckurera> rbergeron I ll buzz you if i need more info or help ;)
20:52:58 <rbergeron> Okay. I'm not getting any wild hands in the air wanting to volunteer for it yet, but we cna keep it on the table for next week, and I'll also send out a mail to the mailing list about it, as well as to the board saying "we acknowledge your request"
20:52:58 <bckurera> thanks for the meeting then see you all
20:53:35 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron send out a mail to the mailing list about release announcement needs, as well as to the board saying "we acknowledge your request"
20:53:41 <threethirty> later on bckurera
20:53:57 <rbergeron> I think i've flogged enough on that stuff.
20:54:01 <rbergeron> #topic NEW IDEAS
20:54:29 <rbergeron> So since we have new folks here, or lurking, and doing the Same Old Stuff gets hella boring, I'd like to see if anyone has NEW ideas, or things they're interested in doing.
20:54:35 <rbergeron> Floor is open.
20:54:44 <rbergeron> threethirty, you can revive the video archive stuff now if you want. :)
20:54:44 <johnmark> FAD
20:54:57 <johnmark> or meetups in general
20:55:28 <threethirty> rbergeron, im gonna wait till next release to annoy everyone with that again
20:55:47 * jsmith has one new idea
20:55:49 <rbergeron> johnmark: please elaborate so we can figure out what you mean
20:55:57 * rbergeron has an idea as well
20:56:12 * rbergeron is going to watch johnmark tread the sometimes grey line of ambassadors/marketing ;)
20:56:13 <johnmark> rbergeron: I'm not sure what I mean :)
20:56:19 <johnmark> lol
20:56:20 <jsmith> I'd really like someone to do a powerpoint presentation explaining the new features of Fedora 16, something suitable for showing at a local LUG meeting
20:56:29 <jsmith> Something we can hand to ambassadors to make their life easier :-)
20:56:39 <Sparks> jsmith: Did you say a powerpoint?
20:56:46 <vouzico> ^^
20:56:46 <inode0> oops
20:56:49 <jsmith> Oops :-)
20:56:51 <threethirty> /kick jsmith
20:56:56 <jsmith> A slide presentation :-)
20:56:57 <inode0> it is on google now
20:56:59 <johnmark> haha
20:57:03 <rbergeron> johnmark: do you mean something like, you want to see more meetups in local areas? :)
20:57:08 <rbergeron> sparks: NICE CATCH
20:57:11 * jsmith gives himself 39 lashes with a network cable
20:57:18 <Sparks> rbergeron: And that's what you keep me around for.
20:57:21 <rbergeron> sparks: btw, hello, sir.
20:57:29 <johnmark> rbergeron: ah, that's it!
20:57:30 <rbergeron> sparks: no, there's so much more than that.
20:57:33 <Sparks> rbergeron: Just listening for my name
20:57:36 <johnmark> thanks for reading my mind
20:57:41 <rbergeron> johnmark: my pleasure.
20:58:18 <rbergeron> inode0: what are your thoughts on the current state of ambassador outreach in local areas? Is there something we in marketing could do to enable that more, or make it more accessible to people to be able to do meetups and such?
20:58:21 <threethirty> I like the idea of making  slides of features, sounds like it may depend on the talking points...
20:58:27 <johnmark> rbergeron: so yes, I'd like to know what marketing has done in the past wrt local meetups, and how we can push that further
20:58:35 <rbergeron> i just don't see a lot of action there lately at all, short of ... booths.
20:58:41 <johnmark> threethirty: agreed
20:59:12 * inode0 thinks NA ambassadors could use something to re-energize them
20:59:15 <johnmark> ok, I have to drop off in a minute
20:59:23 <Sparks> threethirty: Once the talking points have been established it shouldn't be that much of a reach to make a presentation.
20:59:26 <rbergeron> inode0: yeah, i agree
20:59:36 <johnmark> inode0: and what would do that?
20:59:37 <threethirty> Sparks, no not at all
20:59:54 <rbergeron> #idea Slide presentation covering F16 that is useful for ambassadors, people giving presentations.
21:00:06 <inode0> I don't know what would do that - I'm tired and I think a lot of people are just tired
21:00:08 <Sparks> threethirty: License it appropriately and put it up in the fedora rafters for anyone to use.  Slides, text, etc.
21:00:12 <inode0> So maybe new people!
21:00:14 <rbergeron> #info Inspiring meetups to happen
21:00:20 <rbergeron> inode0: yup.
21:00:20 <johnmark> inode0: fresh meat? :)
21:00:28 <rbergeron> oh god.
21:00:34 <rbergeron> I think that was a beefy miracle joke, but i'm not sure
21:00:57 <rbergeron> crap.
21:00:59 <rbergeron> #undo
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21:01:05 <Sparks> more ketchup
21:01:07 <rbergeron> #idea Inspiring meetups to happen
21:01:21 * rbergeron thinks that idea could use some cross-posting or general attention, or blogging
21:01:49 <johnmark> rbergeron: cool
21:02:43 <rbergeron> Anything else?
21:02:47 <threethirty> well everyone i have to run. I am interested in doing the slides if no one objects.
21:03:09 <rbergeron> threethirty: that would be pretty awesome if you picked it up
21:03:13 <Sparks> threethirty: I can help if you need it.
21:03:22 * inode0 objects on principle but doesn't care enough to make a case
21:03:32 <threethirty> Sparks, ty sparks
21:03:37 <threethirty> later o
21:03:39 <threethirty> n
21:03:44 <rbergeron> Do you guys want to follow up on mailing list? :)
21:03:47 <rbergeron> inode0: :)
21:03:52 <inode0> let's do ask people who use them to report back
21:04:03 <Sparks> rbergeron: If you have any grunt work for me just let me know...  still trying to get out of the way in that other project.
21:04:18 <rbergeron> inode0: as far if they were useful?
21:04:23 <rbergeron> as far as
21:04:24 <rbergeron> rather
21:04:28 <inode0> or even just that they used them
21:04:47 <rbergeron> #idea Let's make sure we get feedback on whether or not slides were even used, if they were useful, etc.
21:04:51 <rbergeron> inode0: agreed
21:04:51 <johnmark> inode0: ah, ok. as in, don't waste a bunch of time making stuff nobody wants or needs
21:04:51 <inode0> because if no one uses them I'll have a second argument in the future
21:04:55 <rbergeron> I feel the same way about the one-page release notes
21:05:09 <rbergeron> no clue if they're useful or used
21:05:41 <rbergeron> sparks: other project?
21:05:48 <Sparks> rbergeron: Docs
21:05:58 <inode0> ?
21:06:08 <rbergeron> OH
21:06:11 <rbergeron> right.
21:06:18 <rbergeron> I thought you meant like, project as in not fedora
21:06:25 <rbergeron> which I guess could count as $dayjob
21:06:30 <inode0> Ever consider internal marketing - like trying to get people to participate in elections?
21:06:40 <Sparks> rbergeron: Trying to get out of the way of $dayjob too
21:06:47 <johnmark> inode0: I was wondering the same thing. do they help with releases?
21:07:11 <rbergeron> inode0: you mean, getting people to pitch in as far as making noise?
21:07:13 <inode0> I suspect marketing is bogged down with release stuff at that time of year usually
21:07:24 <rbergeron> yeah.
21:07:42 <inode0> rbergeron: I dunno, anything coordinated through the marketing group
21:07:49 <rbergeron> johnmark: ar eyou tlaking about elections helping with releases or slides helping with releases
21:08:03 <inode0> we should be able to sell ourselves to ourselves better than we do :)
21:08:08 <johnmark> rbergeron: oh, I misunderstood
21:08:33 <rbergeron> #idea We need more internal marketing in general - getting more participation in elections, getting more participation in projects in general.
21:08:34 <johnmark> when inode0 said "internal marketing" I interpreted that as something else
21:08:50 <rbergeron> johnmark: oh, you mean, RHT people
21:08:56 <johnmark> right
21:09:04 <rbergeron> johnmark: short answer, no, except PR usually passes through things to the wire
21:09:12 <rbergeron> johnmark: and branding will help with making videos.
21:09:19 <rbergeron> err, Brand.
21:09:55 <rbergeron> Okay. So - seems like we have a bunch of ideas, and maybe it's best to flesh those out on the ML, and maybe blog, etc about some of that stuff.
21:10:08 <rbergeron> Particularly new ideas - sometimes people just don't want to get stuck doing the same old stuff, and don't know there are new opportunities.
21:11:22 <rbergeron> Okay. So - we're past the hour.
21:11:44 <rbergeron> If we don't have anything else...I'm oging to close out in a minute so I can get on with Getting One Zillion Other Things Done
21:12:01 <johnmark> :)
21:12:04 <johnmark> rbergeron: thanks
21:12:13 * rbergeron would really like to thank everyone for coming out and participating today, it means a lot to me since I've been totally slacking here.
21:12:17 <jsmith> rbergeron: Thanks for kicking off the meeting :-)
21:12:54 <rbergeron> Okay then.
21:13:06 <rbergeron> See you next week (meeting time may change, we shall determine this as well) :)
21:13:09 <rbergeron> Thanks guys!
21:13:13 <rbergeron> #endmeeting