21:01:13 #startmeeting F17 Beta Go No-Go Meeting 21:01:13 Meeting started Wed Apr 4 21:01:13 2012 UTC. The chair is rbergeron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:01:13 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:01:17 yo. 21:01:33 #meetingname F17 Beta Go No-Go Meeting 21:01:33 The meeting name has been set to 'f17_beta_go_no-go_meeting' 21:01:36 * brunowolff is observing 21:01:46 #chair adamw brunowolff robatino 21:01:46 Current chairs: adamw brunowolff rbergeron robatino 21:01:46 * adamw is multitasking 21:01:51 #chair tflink 21:01:51 Current chairs: adamw brunowolff rbergeron robatino tflink 21:02:08 #topic Go/No-Go Meeting. 21:02:12 #info We meet again. 21:02:51 *zombie* 21:03:03 #info Today we shall review the state of RC3, check outstanding blocker bugs, and evaluate progress on testing, to answer the question that everyone wants to know the answer to: Should I stay or should I go? 21:03:13 #info For F17 Beta to be clear 21:03:42 adamw: yeah. zombie. 21:04:04 adamw: shall we start with blockers? 21:04:08 #topic Blocker list 21:04:24 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers 21:04:45 #info We have no proposed blockers unless someone made one in the past few minutes. 21:04:53 there ought to be one showing up presently. 21:05:17 I think it takes a few minutes to refresh. 21:05:28 * nirik is around. 21:05:29 #info And someone did, thus, it's not appearing. 21:05:38 adamw: want to walk us through it? 21:05:40 would be nice to be able to manually trigger an update 21:05:56 handy during meetings 21:06:01 robatino: you'd need ssh access to jlaska's system or something. =) 21:06:03 I thought there was also someone who commented that a previously fixed problem wasn't fixed on the mailing list. 21:06:17 brunowolff: didn't see that. linky? 21:06:36 804813? 21:06:47 it was showing up as n accepted blocker not long ago. 21:06:49 I'm looking ... 21:07:20 #topic http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=810005 21:07:25 this is the one tflink just found, anyhow. 21:07:33 it's in assigned, was previous fixed for RC1. 21:07:39 * rbergeron pays attention to adamw 21:08:02 okay, looks like this should be okay, but anyway 21:08:23 impact here is that any case where you're pulling stage2 from the network is broken 21:08:30 obvious example is pxe 21:08:42 actually, that's about the only plausible practical use case, but eh 21:09:25 so you're just booting a kernel / initrd, and you should be able to specify 'repo=http://somewhere.out.there/foo' 21:09:45 #chair bcl 21:09:45 Current chairs: adamw bcl brunowolff rbergeron robatino tflink 21:09:50 and it should go ahead and do kernel/dracut then pull anaconda itself (which is now a file called squashfs.img, fact fans...) from wherever you specified 21:09:54 problem, it doesn't. 21:10:08 good news, we just figured a workaround. silly fugly workaround, but easily documentable, and works. 21:10:09 I am having trouble finding it. It may have actually been a comment to a bug I was cc'd on and I remembered it wrong. 21:10:23 I'll keep looking. 21:10:28 since this is something of a corner case, i'm fine with a workaround. i really can't think of an actual use case here besides PXE install. 21:10:48 brunowolff: okay, it just sounded like it jived with 804813 reappearing 21:10:53 the workaround is to specify root=live:http://blahblah repo=http://blahblah . this is totally contrary to how we want it to work, but it works. 21:10:57 as usual i am coming up with the wrong answer :) 21:11:10 bcl: did i screw anything up there? 21:11:26 how corner casey is it? 21:11:50 eh, handwave 21:12:00 PXE is pretty commonly used in enterprise deployment situations i think 21:12:12 but anyone using PXE should be smart cookie enough to read the commonbugs at least 21:12:16 it's not going to hit Joe Phoronix Reader 21:12:19 yeah that's my thought 21:12:22 That was it. Bug 804813 reappearing. 21:12:28 err, sec. 21:12:32 * nirik is ok with document and fix before final based on that. 21:12:51 * rbergeron fistpumps for being right 21:12:54 wait for bcl to tell me how i'm getting it wrong. 21:12:54 (for once) 21:13:13 let's do one at a time. 21:13:15 i am in agreement with nirik. 21:13:19 I actually haven't been following that close. wwoods would know. 21:13:21 adamw: yeah, I was just gloating :) 21:13:39 (and preventing him from needlessly searching forever) 21:14:16 bcl: i think he's onto his second drink already, right? =) 21:14:20 i think i'm about right, though. 21:14:42 adamw: what about vm isntalls taht only pull in kernel and initrd? 21:14:50 virt-install ? 21:14:52 yeah, looks reasonable given what I know about how we parse things now. 21:14:55 IIRC, most xen installs do that 21:15:07 xen's final. 21:15:23 you can do the same with kvm/qemu but I think its less common 21:15:26 Sorry I'm late 21:15:47 tflink: yeah, usual way with qemu/kvm is to use an image to boot from. i've only done that 30 times today. =) 21:15:53 I take it by the bug discussion that we're slipping again? 21:15:54 hey dulaney. 21:15:57 not necessarily. 21:16:26 #chair j_dulaney 21:16:26 Current chairs: adamw bcl brunowolff j_dulaney rbergeron robatino tflink 21:18:18 so...it's a quick determination, but i think we're probably okay with document for this one, right? 21:18:20 -1 blocker +1 nth 21:19:06 - blocker +1 nth as well 21:19:11 * rbergeron agrees -1 blocker, +1 nth, +3000ml caffeine injection 21:19:15 Since there's a workaround 21:19:32 .moarbacon rbergeron 21:19:32 rbergeron, here, have some more bacon 21:19:43 * nirik nods. -1 blocker, +1 nth 21:19:44 thanks zodbot, i needed a bigger ass. 21:19:49 oh, for the bureaucracy 21:19:57 PXE is in a weird status that we never get around to fixing 21:20:04 the test case is marked 'Alpha' priority and has been forever 21:20:07 but there's no matching criterion 21:20:07 yeah -1 blocker, +1nth 21:20:13 i keep noting this and never get around to fixing it. 21:20:21 with the criteria as is -1 blocker, +1 nth 21:20:30 but even if we assume that 'pxe broken' is alpha blocker, i'm -1 / +1. 21:20:47 adamw: can we seriously commit to going through these go-no-go meetings on may 11th and looking at all of the "oh gee we never fixed that" - my end, your end, whatever, and see about capturing that stuff in retrospectives and actually fixing it? 21:20:51 :) 21:20:57 (can discuss later, too fried now) 21:21:06 rbergeron: i usually do that, actually, we did a lot of criteria revision for 17 21:21:08 i just hate coming to these meetings and being like, "oh yeah, we said that" 21:21:13 pxe just always seems to fall through the net for some reason 21:21:14 "last time" 21:21:16 okay 21:21:17 * nirik wants to move go/nogo to thursdays. ;) 21:21:26 nirik: hey, that's a good idea! 21:21:42 Yes please. Less incentive to do crazy stuff if we do that. 21:21:45 nirik: I hereby dub you "Dude to Make Us Remember That" 21:22:00 ok. can try. 21:22:02 LOL 21:22:08 If only we had a program manager to keep track of that stuff. 21:22:09 which involves flogging me or my ... inheritor 21:22:21 #info nirik to make sure we remember to do Go/No Go on Thursdays 21:22:40 You gave me chair! 21:22:59 propose #agreed 810005 is rejected as a blocker: even if we assume that PXE blocks alpha (its status is unclear), there is a good enough workaround that can be documented 21:23:10 ack 21:23:16 brunowolff: I hear htat tomorrow I wil finally find out when that will get posted so that I am not trying to do many things and doing them poorly :) 21:23:50 ack 21:23:58 ack 21:24:30 #agreed 810005 is rejected as a blocker: even if we assume that PXE blocks alpha (its status is unclear), there is a good enough workaround that can be documented 21:24:46 #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=804813 21:24:49 since it's been re-opened 21:24:57 so, this is odd, because i've tested that this morning, and it worked fine for me. 21:25:30 bcl: any take on this? likely pilot error, or what? 21:27:03 no idea really. 21:27:14 can we get a tiebreaker? :) 21:27:19 If you've tested it I'd believe that :) 21:27:48 I didn't hit this either 21:28:14 bcl: maybe related to the last bug actually, somehow? 21:28:22 his original report says he tested with PXE 21:28:26 so i can only assume he still is... 21:29:10 actually 21:29:12 i bet that's what it is 21:29:20 same thing, right? the parameter splitting 21:29:21 * nirik nods. sounds likely. 21:29:31 that would make sense. 21:29:34 he's doing a PXE install so it's being parsed early to try and find squashfs 21:29:50 so it winds up just getting 'nfsiso' not 'nfsiso:10.2.1.1:/blahblah', explosions. 21:30:03 I'M ON FIRE 21:30:43 boom 21:30:53 so.......... ? 21:31:07 .fire adamw 21:31:07 adamw fires adamw 21:31:54 * rbergeron trusts y'all and looks for proposal 21:32:19 so, lessee 21:33:24 propose #agreed we believe the reporter who re-opened #804813 is actually suffering from #810005, as he says in the initial report that he is booting via PXE. Two other reporters confirm that in a DVD/netinst boot, repo=nfsiso works as intended. Therefore the bug should be closed 21:33:46 ack 21:33:49 ack 21:34:15 ack 21:34:21 ack 21:34:35 #agreed we believe the reporter who re-opened #804813 is actually suffering from #810005, as he says in the initial report that he is booting via PXE. Two other reporters confirm that in a DVD/netinst boot, repo=nfsiso works as intended. Therefore the bug should be closed 21:37:13 um 21:37:23 #topic other blockers 21:37:28 i don't think we need to do these one at a time, right? 21:37:54 i can confirm 802475 is addressed, as boxes is out of the default package set - my VMs came up with working network 21:38:07 actually, let's do that one 21:38:09 #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=802475 21:38:45 propose: #agreed this bug can be demoted to non-blocker status as gnome-boxes is not in the default install or live desktop package set for Beta RC3, adamw confirms the desktop live image boots with no virbr0 interface and networking works 21:38:55 ack 21:38:58 ack 21:40:04 ack 21:40:17 #agreed this bug can be demoted to non-blocker status as gnome-boxes is not in the default install or live desktop package set for Beta RC3, adamw confirms the desktop live image boots with no virbr0 interface and networking works 21:41:22 #topic other blockers 21:41:31 so there's three we didn't discuss specifically, all of which have fixes in RC3 21:41:57 we should confirm those are fixed, but i'm pretty sure they are. well, all except preupgrade...we can't really be confident there's no more bugs in preupgrade, i guess. :/ 21:43:15 Hmm 21:43:33 #info three other blockers are addressed in RC3 but need re-confirmation: #808499, #809052, #809342 21:43:42 anyone want to go into any of those in detail? 21:45:20 beyond "we do'nt know they're fixed" ? :) 21:45:39 i just confirmed #809052 is okay. 21:46:01 Are you proposing delaying the final decision until the rediness meeting to give time for more tsting? 21:46:04 i have a high degree of confident in #809342 but i need to reboot my desktop to test that one (i was getting through all the tests i can do in a VM before doing the ones on metal). 21:46:14 we didn't get to that point yet 21:47:01 #808499 is more worrying; not that bug in itself, it probably is fixed, but the thing is, we haven't yet had a substantial preupgrade test at all because there's always been a bug which completely kills preupgrade in all our composes; so it's certainly possible there are more preupgrade bugs we haven't exposed yet 21:48:28 that's what i've got on blockers, i guess. 21:48:33 there are no more readiness meetings. 21:48:45 There is only one for everything else. 21:49:50 rbergeron: where do you want to go next? 21:50:12 Well, we're basically waiting on validations, right? 21:50:16 rest of the test matrix? 21:50:26 We should look at that, I suppose. 21:50:31 yeah. if you want a matrix status, said status is obviously 'not complete'. 21:50:38 Right. 21:50:46 What's the ETA assuming "we don't find a giant problem" 21:51:21 eh, few hours, i guess? 21:52:23 * j_dulaney is testing away 21:52:43 adamw: regarding the preupgrade tests, ask dgilmore to do a stable push with the latest builds that were included in RC3, so it's possible to test preupgrade with new anaconda? 21:53:36 kalev: done already 21:53:42 well, do we want to reconvene at, say, 7pm pacific? 21:53:44 6pm pacific? 21:53:49 and finish the meeting? 21:53:50 well, i asked 21:54:01 it might help if someone could karma https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/anaconda-17.18-1.fc17 21:54:06 rbergeron: wfm 21:55:31 * nirik should be around then. 21:55:47 okay. 21:56:06 #agreed will reconvene in 3hrs 5m, 6pm pacific, for status update. 21:56:37 I'll keep my eye on the channel in case 400 people suddenly bomb the channel with help and we are done in an hour. 21:57:04 Or you guys can not wait on me if there are enough people with consensus that testing is done and we are good. 21:57:16 you optimist. 21:57:23 if anyone wants to help out with the tests, please do. there's a lot to do. 21:57:25 #topic Reconvening at 6pm pacific. 21:58:37 that would be 0100 UTC Apr. 5 22:00:40 #topic Reconvening at 6pm pacific (0100 UTC Apr. 5) 22:00:46 robatino: u haz the power of the chair too :) 22:01:05 i don't know how to use it 22:01:17 or exactly what it means, for that matter 22:03:35 You can do things such as: 22:03:49 #info that would be 0100 UTC Apr. 5 22:03:59 Or 22:04:19 #info 2100 Eastern 22:04:30 is there a link for all the commands? 22:05:08 Search the Wiki for meetbot 22:07:23 found this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions 22:08:02 this is more specific, though: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot 22:08:04 thanks 22:37:01 adamw: Pingety 22:38:46 yo 22:39:23 adamw: Can we do a test criteria that says that X can't keep crashing 22:39:40 that would be 'workable desktop'. but it sounds system specific. 22:40:26 I reference the recent thread about X crashing 22:40:30 On Test 22:40:38 If you want, I can dig it up 22:41:45 Anyway, X just crashed in my VM 22:41:47 again 22:42:14 It also crashes fairly regularly on bare metal on a box where once upon a time it didn't 22:43:38 really X? or shell? 22:44:02 i haven't had any X crashes in VMs. 22:44:12 X 22:44:30 I say X because it seems to be pretty DE agnostic 22:44:43 Although it happens a little more often with G3 22:44:53 Clouding up 22:45:51 like i said, i haven't seen any X crashes in VMs. 22:46:03 well, except the one where it crashes when you swithc to a VT. that's been happening forever. 22:47:05 qxl? cirrus? 22:48:05 qxl 22:48:24 Although it happens to my F17 bare metal install quite frequently, as well 22:49:16 * j_dulaney doesn't want to reboot atm since he is downloading YAITT 22:49:33 YAITT = Yet Another Image To Test 22:50:39 j_dulaney: well, if you want to propose one, you can throw it on the list and cite the 'boot to a working desktop' criterion 22:50:54 If it happens again, I will 22:51:23 * j_dulaney doesn't want to cause us to block, but it is really getting ridiculous 22:52:13 Normally I consider Fedora to be stable enough by this point to use for every day work; I'm afraid to do anything with F17 involving critical data or lots of work 22:52:31 * nirik is having no problems here day to day... on bare laptop tho 22:53:41 Others have hit it, so I'm not the only one 22:53:49 i haven't had an X crash on here for days either 22:53:50 * j_dulaney looks for the M/L thread 22:54:06 or in any of the seven thousand VMs i've booted the last few days, heh 22:54:28 damn, these bloody vnc tests are taking forever 23:00:25 http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-March/106291.html 23:00:37 Wow, that is quite a storm brewing out there 23:02:53 j_dulaney1: you said in the thread you get it with 16 as well... 23:03:09 adamw: Indeed 23:03:30 did it _used_ to happen with 16? 23:04:54 adamw: No 23:05:32 j_dulaney1: well X hasn't changed much in 16 23:05:39 so it can only really be a kernel issue, i guess? 23:05:44 try dropping to a 3.2 kernel and see if it happens 23:05:47 in 16 23:05:50 hell, or 17... 23:06:12 adamw: rgr 23:06:21 Better 23:06:47 heh 23:09:10 Let's see how fast this install can go 23:09:54 Hmm Firefox seems to have crashed 23:13:06 And, Anaconda just died in the middle of copying crap to the virtual image 23:16:25 you're not allowed to touch things any more. 23:17:14 Why not? 23:17:24 you break them. =) 23:17:24 It's not my fault things are breaking! 23:17:38 I thought that was my job? 23:17:46 not at this point 23:17:50 it's your job to say everything is working 23:17:52 lie if necessary! 23:17:53 :P 23:18:27 Do I get a raise if I do this? 23:19:32 you get a 10000% raise 23:19:42 Hmm 23:19:49 Sounds fair 23:20:12 10000% of $0 ... Hey, wait! 23:20:21 too bad, you agreed 23:20:49 Did not! 23:21:49 Trying again 23:21:52 i have your signature right here 23:21:58 *hastily forges signature* 23:22:07 Why must Anconda reboot the box when it quits? 23:22:15 I contest that! 23:22:27 people complain when it doesn't. 23:22:59 Why? 23:23:52 Is yourmom a good root password? 23:29:07 man, we're nearly there 23:29:33 Got further this time 23:29:37 if anyone wants to do the finicky little tests nfs_variation and kickstart_file_path that'd really help 23:29:42 Maybe last time was a whacky fluke 23:30:13 Looks like I'm stuck here, now 23:30:14 nfs_variation requires access to an nfs server with an exploded tree. well...i guess i could loop mount an ISO and share it via nfs. hum. 23:30:26 Raining so hard I can't see but a foot out the window 23:34:33 adamw: I'll do the Kickstart test 23:37:11 j_dulaney: thanks 23:37:22 it's just a bit of an annoying one as you have to jam a kickstart into the initrd or smth 23:38:35 Indeed 23:39:08 I'm pulling out the kickstart file for the VM I just successfully installed 23:59:54 Hmm, halfway through package download decided to die 00:00:15 But, it seems the kickstart injection succeeded and install did start 00:00:23 you got a clearly kickstarted install? 00:00:28 it skipped all the stages it should have skipped? 00:01:04 Indeed 00:01:04 sounds like a pass... 00:01:16 when you say it's dying, is this the X server crapping out thing? 00:01:17 It just failed halfway through package install, said it ran out of mirrors 00:01:18 or something else? 00:01:22 oh. 00:01:26 stale bloody mirrors again, i'll warrant 00:02:14 i haven't had any issues like that either, but i've only been doing minimal netinstalls 00:02:20 saves time 00:03:02 or perhaps just packages that haven't been pushed to stable (to mirrors) yet, when the kickstart was based on the packages from media install? 00:04:09 ah never mind, I guess no package versions specified in the kickstart files so it can't be that 00:05:47 yeah. 00:05:58 autogenerated kickstarts usually just specify package groups anyhow. 00:06:04 unless you went in and did package customization. 00:06:37 kalev: what are you doing hanging around here making smartass comments when you could be doing desktop validation, anyhow? ;) 00:08:09 woops, I'll better pretend I'm not here :) 00:09:00 and hey, I did confirm that my own fix to spin-kickstarts worked! 00:12:27 * adamw appeasr to have done 36 validation tests so far. 01:00:21 #topic 0100 UTC / 6pm checkin. 01:00:26 yo 01:00:31 * adamw frazzle 01:00:32 hi 01:00:37 * rbergeron huggles 01:00:49 so, we're close to done 01:00:51 no new blockers really 01:01:16 * nirik waves 01:01:53 right 01:02:31 * brunowolff is here 01:02:31 i can't in all conscience say 'go' now 01:02:40 Just want to check in in another 30m? 01:02:49 needs longer than that :/ 01:02:54 i have a badminton appointment 01:02:59 I don't want to waste time yapping about how we're not ready to meet unless we're realllly not ready to meet for like 24h 01:03:00 and we need to wait to do a preupgrade test 01:03:15 we need ~4hrs for a compose before we can test preupgrade 01:03:30 preupgrade is frankly the only thing i have any worries about any more 01:03:34 I've pushed anaconda/lorax and mesa to stable and started a branched compose. 01:03:35 the rest is just box filling i think 01:03:43 but preupgrade is terra incognita to be honest 01:03:48 okay 01:03:55 * nirik hopes he didn't mess anything up that dgilmore will need to kill him for. ;) 01:04:22 nirik has been sticking his neck out a lot lately. 01:04:51 ;) 01:07:12 okay, so, what's the scoop as far as regrouping? 10pm pacific? tomorrow morning? 01:07:28 tomorrow i think 01:07:34 we have a pretty solid chance we can ship this t hing 01:07:45 but preupgrade is still a potential banana skin 01:07:54 and it's going to take time to check the rest of teh boxes, i have efi and usb tests to do 01:08:13 i don't think we need to slip now, though. rc3 is holding up so far 01:08:18 if preupgrade works we're good 01:08:20 yar 01:09:19 * adamw will be out till 10-11 then back box ticking 01:09:37 my main concern is letting others know we are go in time before people jet off for easter/good friday/or whatever. 01:09:41 adamw: go :) 01:09:48 got 5 mins to do one more test 01:09:51 * adamw is on bios raid 01:10:13 do we want to leave this open meeting running till tomorrow morning or close out and give a time to regroup tomorrow 01:10:29 * adamw doesn't care 01:10:51 oh, the only moderately important bug that's shown up this afternoon is that ntfs resizing is broken 01:10:56 * rbergeron doesn't either, but probably need a time to regroup anyway 01:10:59 but i don't think that's even worth proposing as a blocker. resize itself works, i tested ext4 01:13:56 any time tomorrow am works for me 01:14:00 or late late tonight 01:14:15 i suspect the two are going to be the same thing, for me... 01:14:41 i had a short name from 2 to 4am today too 01:14:43 ok, bios raid passes, and i'm out, back later 01:14:44 nap 01:14:47 even 01:14:56 well, want to go for 8am? 01:15:25 sure 01:15:28 cya 01:15:36 okay 01:16:14 8am pac, 11am est, ... I want to say that's 1500 UTC 01:16:23 I'll float that for a few minutes and make it so if nobody objects 01:20:14 #agreed We will regroup Thursday at 8am pacific, 11am eastern, 1500 UTC (Apr. 5) 01:20:58 #info Just waiting on being able to test preupgrade, testing/validation is holding up so far, feeling reasonably good. 01:21:38 Closing out in uno minute-o. 01:28:42 #endmeeting