19:00:14 <jreznik> #startmeeting F18 Alpha Readiness Meeting
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19:00:45 <jreznik> #meetingname f18-alpha-readiness-meeting
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19:00:56 <jreznik> #topic Roll call
19:01:19 <jreznik> hi! who's here today/tonight?
19:01:21 * bcotton = docs
19:02:26 <jreznik> nirik, mizmo, rbergeron, spot, dgilmore, ...: ping
19:02:35 * spot is here
19:02:37 <nirik> morning
19:03:21 <jreznik> #chair bcotton spot nirik
19:03:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: bcotton jreznik nirik spot
19:03:33 <jreznik> let's wait a minute...
19:03:43 * mizmo here
19:04:03 <jreznik> #chair mizmo
19:04:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: bcotton jreznik mizmo nirik spot
19:05:55 <jreznik> I think we can start
19:06:03 <jreznik> #topic Purpose of this meeting
19:06:12 <jreznik> #info "Before each public release all of the groups participating the development of Fedora's next release meet to make sure the release is well coordinated."
19:06:22 <jreznik> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Readiness_Meetings
19:06:57 <jreznik> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Alpha_Release_Criteria
19:07:02 <jreznik> #undo
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19:07:07 <jreznik> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Alpha_Release_Criteria
19:07:57 <jreznik> this is my first time :) so please poke me in case I miss something or I should do etc., feel free to step into as chair
19:09:18 <jreznik> #topic Current status
19:09:57 <jreznik> yesterday at Go/No-Go meeting we decided to slip F18 Alpha release by one week because of numerous unresolved bugs
19:10:19 <jreznik> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-08-22/f18_alpha_gono-go_meeting.2012-08-22-21.00.html
19:10:45 <jreznik> current blocker bugs
19:10:50 <jreznik> #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current
19:11:37 <jreznik> #info current Fedora 18 Alpha release date is Sep 04 (was Aug 28)
19:12:38 <jreznik> I'll go through the list of invited teams, team representatives please step in to report current status
19:13:11 <jreznik> #topic Ambassadors
19:13:34 * jreznik does not see cwickert here, anyone else?
19:15:03 <jreznik> #info no Ambassadors representative present
19:15:12 <jreznik> #topic Design
19:15:24 <jreznik> mizmo: your turn
19:16:44 <mizmo> jreznik, hey
19:16:55 <mizmo> jreznik, so gnokii im pretty sure finalized the alpha release banners for the website
19:17:10 <mizmo> jreznik, the wallpaper is in and thus far we've gotten overwhelmingly positive reviews
19:17:24 <jreznik> #info gnokii finalized the alpha release banners for the website
19:17:38 <jreznik> #info the wallpaper is in and thus far we've gotten overwhelmingly positive reviews
19:17:46 <mizmo> jreznik, one question that came up from the bugzappers/qa folks is that the grub2 theme is turned on in f18 right now
19:17:52 * jreznik likes the wallpaper too
19:17:55 <mizmo> elad had brought this up in the design team channel
19:18:09 <jreznik> mizmo: yep, we talked about it yesterday
19:18:13 <mizmo> so, i do not think that grub2 should display at all unless the user opts into it
19:18:25 <mizmo> so that's one issue. i dont know if grub2 is turned on to display by default as a testing aid
19:18:32 <mizmo> but we should make sure it does not by ga
19:18:58 <mizmo> the other thing is that grub2 has a bug that causes extreme slowness, but only on some hardware. that bug really blocks having a nice theme i think
19:19:04 <mizmo> it would be very nice to have that bug resolved -
19:19:11 <mizmo> the theme itself will be trivial to update with the f18 wallpaper
19:19:22 <mizmo> but i dont think we should even have a graphical grub2 thing if it's gonna screw people's machines up
19:19:45 <mizmo> so whether or not theres going to be a grub2 theme i think depends on that.
19:19:46 <jreznik> #info grub2 theme is turned on in f18 right now, we should make sure it does not by qa
19:20:01 <mizmo> s/qa/ga
19:20:09 <mizmo> also
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19:20:12 <mizmo> its a bit more nuanced by that
19:20:16 <mizmo> it's not the theme
19:20:19 <jreznik> #info grub2 theme is turned on in f18 right now, we should make sure it does not by ga
19:20:21 <mizmo> grub2 should not display by default
19:20:25 <mizmo> no s/grub2 theme/grub2
19:20:34 <mizmo> the theme is sort of a separate thing
19:20:41 <jreznik> another try :)
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19:20:46 <mizmo> if the user hits the key combo to show grub2
19:20:56 <jreznik> #info grub2 is turned on in f18 right now, we should make sure it does not by ga
19:20:59 <mizmo> then they should see a fedora themed grub (if the slowness bug is fixed)
19:21:08 <mizmo> but if the key never hits the key combo, they should never see grub2
19:21:13 * jreznik understands the point of grub being not shown by default
19:21:17 * mizmo hopes that makes sense
19:21:28 <jreznik> mizmo: yep, definitely
19:21:40 <mizmo> oh!
19:21:47 <mizmo> one more thing i forgot of course is the supplemental wallpapers
19:21:52 <mizmo> gnokii has been doing a great job organizing that
19:22:00 <mizmo> and so far we have some really high-quality submissions
19:22:05 <mizmo> more than some other distros *whistles*
19:22:13 <mizmo> ;-)
19:22:37 <mizmo> overall we're in good shape in terms of f18 artwork i think
19:22:58 <jreznik> great!
19:23:36 <jreznik> #info we have some really high-quality submissions of the supplemental wallpapers, thanks to gnokii!
19:23:47 * jreznik adds kde theming status
19:24:14 <jreznik> #info kde themes based on F18 Alpha artwork by design team is ready, thanks to mbriza!
19:24:21 <jreznik> mizmo: anything else?
19:24:23 <mizmo> \o/
19:24:25 <mizmo> noppers
19:24:30 <jreznik> thanks!
19:24:44 <jreznik> #topic Documentation
19:24:53 <jreznik> bcotton: now it's your turn
19:25:07 <bcotton> we're making words!
19:25:38 <bcotton> #info bcotton and suehle1 have been working on the Release Announcement. It will be ready.
19:26:03 <bcotton> #info we're rounding up volunteers to put together the alpha Release Notes
19:27:04 <bcotton> one thing that's not an issue now but may be as we get closer to GA: jjmcd will be unable to manage the RN as he has done in releases past. we're hoping the RN process will hand off seamlessly, but it may be frantic to get it finished at the end.
19:27:08 <bcotton> EOF
19:27:13 <jreznik> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F18_Alpha_release_announcement
19:27:19 <jreznik> bcotton: thanks!
19:27:37 <jreznik> #topic FESCo
19:27:57 <jreznik> nirik: do you have anything from FESCo?
19:28:28 <nirik> nope. I think things are going along fine for release...
19:28:37 <nirik> hopefully we can knock out the blockers in this week
19:29:15 <jreznik> ok
19:29:41 <jreznik> #info  things are going along fine for release, hopefully FESCo can knock out the blockers in this week
19:30:04 <jreznik> #topic Fedora Engineering Manager
19:30:20 <jreznik> spot: anything from you?
19:30:45 <spot> nope. i need any alpha ready art for fedora-logos asap, but i don't know that there is any.
19:31:34 <jreznik> spot: thanks
19:31:55 <jreznik> #info spot needs any alpha ready art for fedora-logos asap
19:32:08 <jreznik> #topic Fedora Project Leader
19:32:18 <jreznik> rbergeron: ? :)
19:32:35 <rbergeron> Hi!
19:32:49 * rbergeron is coming to you from venezuela... just barely on the internet
19:32:51 <jreznik> rbergeron: hi!
19:33:10 <rbergeron> I have nothing but love. no status to report. :)
19:33:48 <jreznik> #info no status update by rbergeron but love
19:34:00 <jreznik> #topic Infrastructure
19:34:07 <jreznik> nirik: again you
19:34:41 <nirik> :)
19:34:57 <nirik> everything is looking ready. We are in our change freeze... ready to mirror bits, etc.
19:35:09 <nirik> everything seems to be going along fine with buildsystem, updates, etc.
19:36:06 <jreznik> #info everything is looking ready, Infra in change freeze, ready to mirror bits, everything seems to be going along fine with buildsystem, updates, etc.
19:36:09 <jreznik> nirik: thanks
19:36:45 <jreznik> #topic Marketing
19:37:18 <jreznik> suehle, suehle1: to fix marketing mistake, it's your turn now
19:37:30 <jreznik> (my mistake inviting rbergeron)
19:38:24 <rbergeron> LOL
19:40:00 * rbergeron notes we just discussed this a bit in the marketing meeting and the release announcement for alpha is coming along well
19:41:32 <jreznik> #info the release announcement for alpha is coming along well
19:42:26 <jreznik> #topic QA
19:42:47 <jreznik> anyone from QA?
19:43:28 <suehle> that was easy :)
19:43:37 * jreznik thinks we covered QA and blockers on Go/No-Go meeting quite well
19:43:44 <jreznik> suehle: if you have anything more, feel free
19:45:33 <suehle> that's the important part
19:46:25 <adamw> sorry folks, juggling too many balls here...
19:46:52 <adamw> er, qa status is that everything is boned.
19:47:28 <adamw> we're at alpha tc3, currently working to try and get a tc4 built. we don't have 100% test coverage because anaconda is too broken; what coverage we have has revealed numerous blocker bugs, not all of which are fixed yet.
19:48:10 <jreznik> #info QA is at alpha tc3, currently working to try and get a tc4 built
19:48:34 <jreznik> #info QA doesn't have 100% test coverage because anaconda is too broken
19:48:57 <jreznik> #info current coverage has revealed numerous blocker bugs, not all of which are fixed yet
19:50:07 <jreznik> adamw: thanks, is it all from you?
19:51:19 * jreznik expects eol :)
19:51:54 <jreznik> #topic Release Engineering
19:52:53 <jreznik> anyone? dgilmore are you around?
19:52:54 * spot thinks dennis might not be here.
19:53:11 <nirik> yeah, I think he's probibly asleep.
19:53:28 <jreznik> yep, Australia... I'll try to reach him by email :)
19:53:32 <nirik> releng should be ready to compose rc1 as soon as/when we fix blockers.
19:53:56 <jreznik> nirik: ok, thanks
19:54:06 <jreznik> #info releng should be ready to compose rc1 as soon as/when we fix blockers
19:54:33 <jreznik> #topic Translation
19:55:49 <jreznik> anyone from translation teams?
19:57:06 <jreznik> #info no Translation representative present
19:57:23 <jreznik> #topic Websites
19:58:00 <jreznik> shaiton: are you around? or anyone from Websites team?
19:59:12 <nirik> There was an update from them recently that there is a f18 alpha website in staging.
19:59:15 * nirik gets link
19:59:43 * jreznik is digging info from ml too
20:00:31 <nirik> http://stg.fedoraproject.org/ and
20:01:09 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3429
20:01:29 <jreznik> #link http://stg.fedoraproject.org/
20:01:37 <jreznik> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3429
20:01:42 <jreznik> nirik: thanks
20:02:07 <nirik> no problem
20:03:35 <jreznik> well, we covered a lot today, I'll try to get sync with teams not represented here, thank you very much!
20:03:48 <jreznik> #topic Open floor
20:04:30 <nirik> thanks for rounding up folks jreznik
20:05:50 <jreznik> #info The next Go/No-Go meeting has been rescheduled to Thursday, Aug 30 (21:00 UTC, 5 PM EDT)
20:06:30 * jreznik is going to update schedules asap, delay because of family issue... should be ready tmrw morning
20:06:51 <jreznik> anything else?
20:06:58 * nirik has nothing
20:07:18 * rbergeron salutes jreznik. It's like you've been doing this for years! :)
20:07:31 <spot> jreznik: nice work. :)
20:08:02 * jreznik is getting red in face :) thanks :)
20:08:39 <jreznik> ok
20:08:44 <jreznik> countdown
20:08:47 <jreznik> 3
20:09:07 <jreznik> 2
20:09:32 <jreznik> 1
20:09:35 <spot> BOOM
20:09:50 <jreznik> now :)
20:09:53 <jreznik> #endmeeting