21:00:29 #startmeeting Fedora ARM weekly status meeting 21:00:29 Meeting started Wed Feb 27 21:00:29 2013 UTC. The chair is pwhalen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:29 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:30 #chair pwhalen jonmasters bconoboy ctyler pbrobinson dgilmore 21:00:30 Current chairs: bconoboy ctyler dgilmore jonmasters pbrobinson pwhalen 21:00:35 .fas pwhalen 21:00:38 .fas jcapik 21:00:46 .fas parasense 21:00:50 pwhalen: pwhalen 'Paul Whalen' 21:00:57 jcapik1: jcapik 'Jaromír Cápík' 21:00:59 masta: parasense 'Jon Disnard' 21:01:09 .fas ahs3 21:01:09 ahs3: ahs3 'Al Stone' 21:01:17 .fas dmarlin 21:01:17 dmarlin: dmarlin 'David A. Marlin' 21:01:44 #topic 0) Status of ACTION items from our previous meeting 21:01:54 #info Meeting Minutes from last week: 21:02:01 .fas agreene 21:02:01 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-02-20/fedora-meeting-1.2013-02-20-21.00.html 21:02:03 agreene: tag4fedora 'Tim Greene' - agreene 'Andrew Greene' 21:02:23 only one from last week 21:02:35 #info INPROGRESS jonmasters to file bug report with llvm upstream community 21:02:37 * pbrobinson is here 21:02:57 #topic 1) Problem Packages 21:02:57 jonmasters: update on llvm upstream bug? 21:03:03 #undo 21:03:03 Removing item from minutes: 21:04:07 #undo 21:04:07 Removing item from minutes: 21:04:19 so the two candidates are still there java-1.7.0-openjdk and eclipse. They're still being worked on, i just wish they would be a little faster 21:04:21 #action INPROGRESS jonmasters to file bug report with llvm upstream community 21:04:28 #topic 1) Problem Packages 21:04:54 so the two candidates are still there java-1.7.0-openjdk and eclipse. They're still being worked on, i just wish they would be a little faster 21:05:48 * bconoboy looks for bz 21:05:49 s 21:06:11 eclipse 863801 21:06:27 #info eclipse (bz 863801) is ongoing 21:06:52 #info java-1.7.0-openjdk also ongoing, no bz yet 21:06:52 we have a new ICE caused by crash. rhbz 915830 21:06:53 crash being a package 21:07:12 #info crash (bz 915830) causes gcc to ICE compiling iwmmxt.c 21:07:56 there's an issue with perl-YAML-Syck which I've not looked at because it's perl 21:07:58 * nirik is sorta here, can provide some phx2 updates at whatever time required. 21:08:19 #info mongodb is still broken 21:08:27 #action jonmasters to provide pointer to mongodb patch 21:08:46 ah I've got the mongo patch in my queue.... sorry, will deal with that tonight 21:08:54 #undo 21:08:54 Removing item from minutes: 21:09:14 #action pbrobinson to apply jonmasters' mongodb patch 21:10:04 anything else to mention? 21:10:15 I think there's one more, but can't recall what it is. 21:10:25 not really, there's a number of other minor issues but they're not blocking 21:10:40 blocking as in not blocking the major builds 21:10:41 ok 21:10:51 #topic 2) Aarch64 config.guess patching 21:11:09 dgilmore: you here? 21:11:22 I'm not up to speed on this stuff because I wasn't at FUDCon but I've also not seen it documented anywhere 21:11:25 he had hoped to be, but lots of snow 21:11:28 i am 21:12:04 dgilmore: We want to get as many config.guesses updated in f19 as possible to include the aarch64 triplet. What is the right workflow for this? 21:12:34 bconoboy: i think we need to write a script to work out effected packages 21:12:38 is there a way to query what needs to be patched without just blanket doing everything even if it doesn't need it? 21:12:42 then we can work a plan of attack 21:12:54 from random checks that I've done all the gnome stack is OK for example 21:13:16 dgilmore: we have a script. it produces patches for those packages that we think need it 21:13:19 the things that wont be ok are likely those with mostly dead upstream 21:13:25 and jonmasters was going to followup if cmake and other builders needed patching or just auto* 21:13:27 dgilmore: it even adds what we think are viable patches to the spec file 21:13:28 that haveing had an update in over a year 21:13:53 bconoboy: that script was completely wrong in how it did things, 21:13:59 dgilmore: the script is being updated. 21:13:59 bconoboy: is there a report somewhere to say how many packages, has it been run recently? 21:14:03 bconoboy: in that none of it happened in the git checkout 21:14:12 where the patches could be added in a scripted manner 21:14:31 bconoboy: step one is work out how many packages actually need patching 21:14:45 then we can work out how big the problem is 21:14:49 dgilmore: Let's say it's 500 packages, we have the patches, what then? 21:14:53 if we just go to the upstreams 21:14:55 (hypothetical) 21:15:06 bconoboy: then ill apply them and build updates 21:15:39 dgilmore: So if we deliver to you the list of packages that need patching, the patches that are confirmed to apply and not break composing, you'll apply and build? 21:15:56 I think we need some form of report as to what's needed and then we can make a decision without being hypothetical. 21:16:04 bconoboy: no, what we would ideally want is a list of effected packages 21:16:12 bconoboy: then we can work out the plan of attack 21:16:13 ultimately figures talk and will affect the decision 21:16:24 pbrobinson: exactly 21:16:25 affected packages ;-) 21:16:34 pbrobinson: :P 21:16:47 dgilmore: Where's the right place for the package list? arm@lists.fp.o? 21:16:55 if it's 500 packages that's achievable, if it's 5000 probably not 21:17:26 bconoboy: what do you mean by package list? 21:17:34 probably somewhere other than the list and then a mail with details, not sure we need a list of 1000s of packages to the list 21:17:34 dgilmore: list of affected packages 21:17:45 the discussion should probably be on arm@lists.fp.o 21:18:01 bconoboy: once we work out a plan of attack we take it to devel@ 21:18:07 I guess the list itself could go on fpaste or similar 21:18:16 yep, sounds good 21:18:20 okay 21:18:29 so I'm not sure there's anything to discuss until we have numbers 21:18:40 #action bconoboy (and co) to come up with list of packages needing aarch64-specific configurey updates 21:19:04 #info pointer to list to be sent to fedora-arm mailing list where plan of attack will be formed 21:19:05 bconoboy: where the list goes is less important than the discussion and planing a cource of action 21:19:47 agreed, I just don't particularly want a thread with a list of 13K packages in the reply stream 21:20:06 dgilmore: got it. we'll find the scope and go from there. 21:20:34 pwhalen: next 21:20:40 #topic 3) A15 Kernel support in Fedora 21:21:00 ctyler ping 21:21:19 Is this ctyler's topic? 21:21:23 a15 lpae support is planned for 3.9 kernel 21:21:28 yes, doesnt look like hes around 21:21:36 pwhalen: ctyler is not at cdot 21:21:42 a15, aka chromebook? 21:21:52 It'd be groovy if we moved to a15 vexpress support 21:22:01 masta; amongst other things 21:22:21 bconoboy: yes, planned for the lpae kernel 21:22:38 pbrobinson: How long before we see 3.9 kernels show up in rawhide? 21:22:44 pwhalen: we have 2 arndales here. 21:23:00 LPAE affects other kernels as well (like on i686) so I was planning at least initially to have it there 21:23:40 bconoboy: as soon as jonmasters helps me get 3.8 into working shape for all our current users as has been discussed a number of times 21:24:19 is a15 happy in 3.9? 21:24:50 masta: time will tell but I know of people booting them on the exynos5 devices 21:25:18 and also the initial KVM support is due to land in 3.9 too 21:25:37 and a couple of the virt guys based in the UK have been bothering me about that side of things 21:26:31 maybe we'll come back to this if ctyler comes on 21:26:46 ok move on then 21:26:52 he was driving, horrible weather here 21:26:53 #action ctyler to email what this is about 21:26:58 #topic 4) ARM Tech Talks - suggestions for future talks, volunteers? 21:27:17 we have an open slot for this week if anyone has an idea they would like to do a talk on 21:27:28 as I mentioned on list a JTAG debug techtalk 21:27:41 but not this week as mine hasn't arrived yet 21:28:01 would be useful 21:28:12 :) 21:28:55 any other ideas on future talks? 21:29:11 I've got some ideas for some brewing but I'll be on a plane this week and Friday isn't great for me as I'm usually panicking trying to get off site and travelling 21:29:56 Chris was also looking at some ideas for the Pi, perhaps a talk on using the gpio 21:30:06 maybe some talk about making a remix of panda or general LMC usage? 21:30:13 gpio++ 21:30:56 ok, please forward any other ideas you may have to the list 21:31:15 #topic 5) PHX update 21:31:22 nirik: go! 21:31:23 ping nirik 21:31:27 so, just a few items... 21:31:41 hopefully our nets for the rest of the SOC's will be active friday. 21:31:46 WOO! 21:31:51 I've not gotten confirmation on it, but I am hoping 21:32:19 next, we have an outage starting in 30min or so... I was going to update/reboot the hub/db boxes if thats ok with all of you. 21:32:44 and finally, one builder has disk/fs errors. I stopped kojid on it, but we should probibly re-install it or something. 21:33:24 nirik: could it be a physical media problem? 21:33:28 if we must I can cope can you let me know before you do it so I can deal with jobs, and again when it's done so I can bring koji-shadow back up? 21:33:47 dmarlin: it could be. Not sure fully. 21:34:00 pbrobinson: I'm happy to wait for a better time if you like. 21:34:04 if you let me know what that time is. 21:34:17 nirik: not really a better time with koji-shadow so when ever 21:34:31 nirik: details on the disk/fs errors? 21:34:39 just let me know so I can make some notes before it reboots 21:34:42 ok. would it be better at the start of the window, or toward the end (it's 3hr) 21:34:52 bconoboy: I can paste the dmesg... just a sec. 21:34:59 nirik: there's a kernel build almost finished, that's the major one :) 21:35:16 nirik: and that's almost done 21:35:44 http://paste.fedoraproject.org/3941/ 21:35:48 ^ disk errors 21:36:37 nirik: can you paste the full dmesg? 21:36:45 ipv6!! 21:36:46 #info New ARM net *may* be available friday 21:37:04 bconoboy: sure. 21:37:50 it's got a ton of audit messages in it... 21:38:37 so the deal is some red tape in RH about ipv4 provisioning, right? 21:39:12 masta: yeah. Getting an actual allocated net from the networking folks so we don't stomp on others or make things unmanageable for them 21:39:36 ok 21:39:48 anyhow, I can get the dmesg, it will take some poking as it's larger than my scrollback buffer. 21:39:48 so is a /23 enough? 21:39:57 should be 21:40:12 masta: it's end of financial years so there's been a change freeze on so there's not outages of critical infra when sales people need it most will we grow beyond that? is 510 enough? 21:41:08 well, currently we would be using 192. 21:41:37 so about 1/3 of the 500 odd addresses so it should do for the moment 21:42:17 each box is 192, right? 21:42:25 each box takes 48-72 21:42:46 Even if we double capacity with aarch64 hosts that's still plenty of room. 21:42:46 masta: we are not currently using eth1 on any of them. so eth0 and mgmt 21:43:09 nirik: we need extra IPs for newRepo hosts, correct? 21:43:29 aren't the arm hosts themselves going to be newrepo hosts? 21:43:57 yes, but they need a NFS mount which I believe is on a storage segment 21:44:12 it should be available via eth0... 21:45:16 on primary we do have a seperate storage net, but thats not the setup on that network the arm boxes are on currently 21:45:39 OK 21:45:54 nirik: Are you saying the new arm network segment will have access to the nfs server? 21:45:59 I misunderstood from something said the other day then 21:46:15 bconoboy: yes, thats my understanding. 21:46:23 or if it doesn't we can ask them to allow it. 21:46:52 ok, cool 21:47:00 so this is another vlan? 21:47:18 sry, just wondering.... 21:47:19 hopefully newrepos can work on them... 4GB of memory is a bit tight for them sadly. (although createrepo_c is much better) 21:47:47 the boxes don't do vlans from my understanding, so this is just a regular network they would all be on and could reach the storage server 21:48:19 you could also do a seperate network on eth1 21:48:26 yeah. 21:48:26 ok so interface for frontside, another for storage? 21:48:27 would burn through more IPs though 21:48:44 so would separate vlans on a single eth 21:48:46 we could do eth1, but I'm not sure there's any advantage is there? 21:49:08 is there anything else on the agenda btw? 21:49:29 pbrobinson, nothing just open floor after this 21:49:30 * nirik looks at the 1 gige ethernet that comes out of the chassis. If we split that out there might be, but without that... doesn't seem like it would matter. 21:50:12 let's get that network in place and then discuss again afterward :-) 21:50:25 ok 21:50:42 next? 21:50:58 #topic 6) Open Floor 21:51:20 anything else for today? 21:51:49 crickets 21:51:51 * masta working on chromebook stuff 21:52:09 vboot and keernel srpm 21:52:16 * pbrobinson is living in kernel and koji-shadow :-( 21:52:47 masta: I _WILL_ do the review for vboot by the end of the weekend 21:53:01 so can we host old kernels for chromebook? 21:53:08 #action pbrobinson will review vboot by the end of the weekend 21:53:12 3.4 kernels 21:53:30 damn... knew I shouldn't have said that in the meeting ;-) 21:53:38 you heard it here folks! 21:53:39 lol 21:54:39 pwhalen: I think that's it 21:54:41 so some remix will want to use old kernel, is that cool? (to host on fedora) 21:55:10 fedora is latest hotness, remix == old hotness 21:55:37 masta: remix can use anything, ne? 21:56:00 move to #fedora-arm okay for this? 21:56:13 sure 21:56:28 #endmeeting