20:00:06 #startmeeting Fedora ARM weekly status meeting 20:00:06 Meeting started Wed May 1 20:00:06 2013 UTC. The chair is pwhalen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:06 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00:06 #chair pwhalen jonmasters bconoboy ctyler pbrobinson dgilmore 20:00:06 Current chairs: bconoboy ctyler dgilmore jonmasters pbrobinson pwhalen 20:00:14 .fas pwhalen 20:00:14 pwhalen: pwhalen 'Paul Whalen' 20:00:17 afternoon all 20:00:17 .fas jcapik 20:00:18 jcapik: jcapik 'Jaromír Cápík' 20:00:20 .fas blc@ 20:00:21 bconoboy: blc '' 20:00:28 .fas jdulaney 20:00:28 j_dulaney: jdulaney 'John Dulaney' 20:00:46 Wow, first non-RH email 20:01:24 * pbrobinson is here 20:01:36 .fas dmarlin 20:01:40 dmarlin: dmarlin 'David A. Marlin' 20:01:47 #topic 0) Status of ACTION items from our previous meeting 20:01:48 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-04-24/fedora-meeting-1.2013-04-24-20.00.html 20:02:06 #info dgilmore to experiment with making images via anaconda to work around current lmc/anaconda issues 20:02:21 dgilmore, any update? 20:02:33 s/anaconda/appliance-tools 20:02:47 pwhalen: not making any using anaconda 20:02:49 #undo 20:02:50 Removing item from minutes: 20:02:53 going to use appliance-tools 20:02:59 * masta is here 20:03:10 need to tweak some stuff in the kickstart 20:03:10 #info dgilmore to experiment with making images via appliance-tools to work around current lmc/anaconda issues 20:03:22 but i plan to have images out for testing this week 20:03:23 hey dgilmore we fixed the anaconda problem 20:03:30 masta: and hit another 20:03:33 lmc works again 20:03:45 .fas jonmasters 20:03:46 one line patch from anaconda guys 20:03:46 jonmasters: jcm 'Jon Masters' 20:04:10 masta: I installed all the latest yesterday, and it is broken for me 20:04:13 * ahs3 checks in 20:04:17 appliance-tools - acknowledged 20:04:37 dmarlin: I applied the fixes from anaconda guys and works for me 20:04:50 * masta has made several images since 20:04:50 masta: it got past where it was stuck and blew up elsewhere 20:05:01 masta: have you tried on an fully updated system (latest of all tools) ? 20:05:19 yep, of course dmarlin ... well as of last week fully bakes 20:05:36 masta: tahts ancient in release development world 20:05:40 masta: then you are the only one it's working for 20:05:48 dmarlin: =( 20:05:48 masta: its broken on arm and x86 20:06:31 dgilmore: I'd like to sync with you on getting your setup fixed, and for myself learn appliance-tools 20:06:37 let's sort this out after the meeting 20:06:44 +1 20:06:46 alright, next? 20:06:59 #topic 1) Problem packages 20:07:10 cups is a problem on rawhide 20:07:19 is there a bz? 20:07:23 yes 20:07:34 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=957737 20:08:06 #link f20's cups is broken: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=957737 20:08:46 anything else? 20:09:15 there's a few problems in R-* packages and I'll do a BZ for them this evening 20:09:21 all looking reasonably good actually 20:09:42 I'm awaiting to hear what the upstream status is on tog-pegasus 20:10:12 patch is being evaluated (regression testing) 20:10:39 #info tog-pegasus patch is written, working, in regression testing 20:11:16 #topic 2) Kernel Status update 20:11:50 3.9 is looking good on f18 targets 20:12:14 we've got a few crashes and corner cases people a looking at like highbank 20:12:22 where do we have graphics support working on 3.9? 20:12:40 no a kkernel problem 20:12:51 so omap/vexpress/tegra/highbank aren't bad 20:13:17 I've filed a bug on qemu graphics, omap isnt working.. apparently trimslice is 20:13:28 I'm looking at a patch set for am33xx chipset 20:13:38 there's a few people looking at mvebu 20:13:48 pwhalen: it'll be good to figure out what's up with qemu 20:14:17 #info jonmasters to review highbank config and outstanding issue with Mark/Paul 20:14:20 for 3.10 we're already starting to rebase 20:14:34 #info jonmasters to poke at cpuidle for Peter (who will make a scratch kernel) 20:14:35 jonmasters: where did that point come from 20:15:03 pbrobinson: sorry, I spoke with Paul earlier about it. Should have noted that first, apologies. 20:15:08 the major 3.10 arm-soc branch hasn't landed yet, that's when the shit will hit the fan 20:15:33 jonmasters: Mark has been reviewing it through out so I'm not sure what's missing, else he's been lying 20:16:08 * j_dulaney notes that 3.10 will be landing a crapton of Exynos fixes 20:16:41 * pbrobinson notes that j_dulaney is still to provide me a diff for fedora 3.9 kernel first ;-) 20:17:03 so did does panda not have graphics anymore in 3.9? but trimslice does? 20:17:35 masta: panda was using fbdev, that might still work, we should really go to the proper driver 20:17:36 pbrobinson: Dude, I was at a music festival all last week :) Charlie Daniels FTW 20:18:17 anything else for the kernel? 20:18:26 not from me 20:18:31 pbrobinson: I mean the impact of FSL_DMA and why that's causing highbank instability. I want to take a ponder 20:18:43 pbrobinson: ah so we are waitting for amr-soc then 20:19:02 masta: for what? 20:19:08 panda 20:19:13 masta: no 20:19:49 masta: we have xorg-x11-drv-omap and have had since f17 or there abouts 20:20:24 #topic 3) LPAE A15 support 20:20:29 ok I suppose i might have understood poorly before, got the idea panda lost graphics, my bad 20:20:37 I'm not sure why this is on the agenda 20:21:12 pbrobinson: I asked that we just discuss what the plan is going to be 20:21:29 jonmasters: this has already been discussed to hell 20:22:04 * j_dulaney notes that the PAE kernel as built in Fedora infra is very unstable 20:22:14 Seemingly randomly so 20:22:30 the lpae or the pae kernel? 20:22:40 lpae, sorry 20:23:04 j_dulaney: that's the first I've heard of it 20:23:24 This is on Chromebook; I don't know what others are testing on 20:23:24 jonmasters: so you want it discussed.... what are we discussing? 20:23:44 plan is/was to retain Exynos as the target. I'm wondering though, given that nobody can get an Arndale board does that change anything for F19? 20:23:56 chromebook? 20:24:09 and what other HW is currently available on the market? 20:24:40 Galaxy S4 20:25:09 that's not usable as lpae because it doesn't have expandable RAM and isn't a usecase 20:25:31 I guess what I'm saying is that we might find more hacker friendly A15 hardware appears in the next few months. If that's the case, are we ok with being fluid on plans? It's a shame nobody can buy an Arndale 20:26:23 well in the next few weeks we'll have 3.10rc1 where exynos will be MP and we have all the bloody A15 kernel options we want 20:26:40 so I still don't see the argument 20:26:42 * j_dulaney notes that once leads have been soldered to the uart pads on the Chromebook board, it becomes very hacker-friendly 20:26:57 ok, I'm being silly, you're right. We're likely going out with 3.10 and it'll be MP. Ok, I rescind this item. 20:27:09 are we going to have 3.10rcX in f19 ga? 20:27:19 (IE, is it a consideration?) 20:27:21 the only other LPAE capable device that has _upstream_ support that would be usable is from a company where you can't buy it yet 20:27:45 bconoboy: no, but it'll be in rawhide (is in rawhide) 20:27:49 bconoboy: the discussion we had before was that it's likely F19 on ARM won't ship until the 3.10 update is ready for PA, so it'll likely be that we go out with 3.10 20:28:04 nevermind, let's move on 20:28:05 bconoboy: and it'll be landing in mainline very shortly after release just like 3.7 did with F-18 20:28:11 right, yea, let's do move on 20:28:13 ok 20:28:18 #topic 4) Aarch64 Bootstrap update 20:28:33 jonmasters: no we'll go out with 3.9 and it'll rebase to 3.10 shortly after release 20:28:55 msalter: That's you unless we just want stats (that's me) 20:29:15 what are the stats? 20:29:30 We have 1240 source rpms for aarch64 packages rebuilt at the moment 20:29:43 that's about 20% of the total 20:29:54 what letter are we on now? 20:29:58 are they unmodified non bootstrap? 20:30:21 pbrobinson: this is stage4 packages. there are a few carrying local packages, but more than 1000 are straight from f19 20:30:31 er local patches 20:30:33 most of them would have to be. I think well less than 200 are bootstrap 20:30:50 the enqueueing script is currently on the letter 'p' 20:30:56 fun 20:30:58 (It's going in alphabetical order) 20:31:11 there are about 450 packages in the build-queue 20:31:19 most patched ones now are patched to avoid requiring doc-building packages 20:31:32 tnx to jcapik for writing a sensible dependency checker, we're getting a very high success rate on builds 20:31:58 * j_dulaney has a build going right this second 20:32:01 dgilmore: helped too 20:32:03 #info 1240 aarch64 source rpms are built, about 20% completion 20:32:21 an idea we want to explore is to have David and Paul tag team taking the failure list and curating a wiki page with packages known to succeed, fail, and those that we know have a non-dependency actual build failure and require attention 20:32:47 I'll be automating the generation of a failed-build script that pwhalen/dmarlin will curate on the wiki 20:33:00 (IE, builds that failed in %build) 20:33:07 bconoboy: info that item please 20:33:26 #action bconoboy will be automating the generation of a failed-build script (Where %build failed) 20:33:40 #action pwhalen/dmarlin will curate the fedora wiki to reflect new build failures 20:33:52 #info anybody can take ownership of a failed build on the wiki 20:34:43 anything else? 20:35:28 #info For those interested and not currently take part in the bootstrap 20:35:34 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/AArch64/QuickStart 20:35:39 er yea, *awesome* amounts of progress so far! 20:35:47 I think that's worth noting 20:36:07 #topic 5) F19 Alpha Planning 20:36:33 I saw Paul started release criteria based on PA. Do those need collective pruning again? 20:36:39 I think we roughly covered this at #0- dgilmore is going to make an image with appliance-creator 20:36:46 sounds like we'll have images to test later this week 20:37:05 jonmasters: I think current release criteria are good 20:37:12 jonmasters, iirc, we didnt want to prune them 20:37:18 #action per earlier, dgilmore to create appliance-creator based image (or lmc if masta's success can be replicated) 20:37:26 ok, if what we have is good, then cool 20:37:48 * j_dulaney notes that if we get images this week, we should have a formal blocker meeting next week 20:38:01 Seperate from this meeting, as they can go on for quite some time 20:38:05 as soon as we have images, we'll do a vfad, see how it goes 20:38:12 lets cross that bridge when we get there 20:38:15 #info vfad to follow image creation 20:38:16 what's next 20:38:19 * j_dulaney can run said meeting, having experience in that department 20:38:24 open floor is next 20:38:47 j_dulaney, lets coordinate on that one 20:39:10 #topic 6) Open Floor 20:40:06 worth noting there is now a remix for the Cubieboard 20:40:24 there was a remix for the Cubieboard 20:40:27 what's the difference with this one? 20:40:27 pwhalen: Roger 20:40:35 #link F18 Cubieboard Remix - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/F18/Remixes#Cubieboard 20:40:48 there is a remix 'image' for the cubieboard 20:41:06 I still don't see the difference 20:41:17 try them both and see 20:41:24 hans produced a remix image that works fine on the CubieBoard 20:42:49 18 minutes left, anything else for today? 20:44:01 sounds like we're all done 20:44:29 #endmeeting