20:18:19 #startmeeting Fedora ARM weekly status meeting 20:18:19 Meeting started Wed May 15 20:18:19 2013 UTC. The chair is pwhalen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:18:19 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:18:19 #chair pwhalen jonmasters bconoboy ctyler pbrobinson dgilmore dmarlin masta j_dulaney msalter ahs3 agreene jcapik ddd 20:18:20 Current chairs: agreene ahs3 bconoboy ctyler ddd dgilmore dmarlin j_dulaney jcapik jonmasters masta msalter pbrobinson pwhalen 20:18:26 .fas pwhalen 20:18:27 .fas jonmasters 20:18:30 .fas jdulaney 20:18:30 .fas jcapik 20:18:34 .fas ahs3 20:18:36 .fas blc@ 20:18:36 .fas dmarlin 20:18:50 hola amigos 20:18:56 * nirik notes it's still rejoining, but probibly will now spew that when it gets caught up. ;) 20:18:57 a little delayed it seems 20:19:05 * masta high fives nirik 20:19:10 nirik, cool, thanks 20:19:17 cheers mate 20:19:19 pwhalen: go ahead 20:19:20 #topic 0) Status of ACTION items from our previous meeting 20:19:20 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-05-08/fedora-meeting-1.2013-05-08-20.00.html 20:19:30 #info COMPLETE - dgilmore to post TC Images to list later today/tomorrow 20:19:31 #info COMPLETE - pwhalen to update wiki with pointers/instructions (to be updated for Beta) 20:19:31 #info INPROGRESS - jonmasters to help review 3.10 test kernels, and assist pwhalen with vexpress 20:19:31 #info INPROGRESS - jonmasters to probe highbank 3.9 instability issue and send update 20:19:59 jonmasters: isn't the 3.9 instability complete now? 20:20:49 bconoboy, it is, not sure if jonmasters_ was still looking at it 20:21:20 next? or anything to add here? 20:21:40 will be interested in 3.10 status- assume that's later though 20:22:22 #topic 1) Problem packages 20:22:26 bconoboy: 3.9 kernel is complete for now 20:22:34 bconoboy: sorry, laggy network 20:22:37 #undo 20:22:37 Removing item from minutes: 20:23:12 We discussed the 3.9 kernel (highbank in particular) and I suggested to Peter that we turn off the Primecell DMA controller support that was offending, and only affected highbank+some A15 targets 20:23:24 Peter left it on in rawhide and we'll followup, etc. But 3.9 is ok for now 20:23:38 3.10 I took a quick pass but I won't have a good update until Friday or Saturday 20:23:47 I will be spending this weekend giving Fedora kernel some love though 20:23:59 so keep a 3.10 action for me 20:24:22 * j_dulaney just wgeted the latest kernel 3.10 srpm 20:24:24 #action jonmasters to help review 3.10 test kernels, and assist pwhalen with vexpress 20:24:36 thanks Paul 20:24:39 * j_dulaney is now wgeting the 3.10 lpae 20:24:41 #topic 1) Problem packages 20:25:05 not sure if Peter is joining us, is anyone else aware of any current problem packages? 20:25:16 * jonmasters_ is at the NYSE today - spoke about Hyperscale ARM servers and met with the production IT folks at NYSE. Also saw closing bell just now. Just wow. Now in an awesome Paul McKenney RCU kernel talk :) 20:25:17 837830 20:25:27 oops - ignore that :) 20:26:06 pwhalen: pwhalen 'Paul Whalen' 20:26:09 jonmasters_: jcm 'Jon Masters' 20:26:11 j_dulaney: jdulaney 'John Dulaney' 20:26:12 we had issues with java-1.7.0-openjdk 20:26:17 jcapik: jcapik 'Jaromír Cápík' 20:26:20 ahs3: ahs3 'Al Stone' 20:26:23 bconoboy: blc '' 20:26:25 the dev says it's fixed, so we just need to retest the build 20:26:27 but they got resolved today 20:26:29 dmarlin: dmarlin 'David A. Marlin' 20:27:24 pwhalen: rawhide should catch up again now 20:27:49 next? 20:27:56 yep 20:28:08 #topic 2) Kernel Status Update 20:28:34 this is Peter's weekly topic, as of now I do not think anything is booting, shall we move on?/ 20:28:34 See my above regaurding d/l 3.10 20:28:52 Otherwise, nothing to add 20:28:54 what about graphics support in 3.9? 20:29:05 add to the f19 topic 20:29:07 added 20:29:09 ok 20:29:11 bconoboy: i think we have trimslice only 20:29:24 #topic 3) Aarch64 Status Update 20:29:45 We've currently rebuilt 9278 aarch64 source rpms, 2823 of which produced aarch64 specific packages. 20:29:53 beautiful progress 20:29:54 So about 4000 to go 20:30:08 bconoboy: fantastic 20:30:14 Yay! 20:30:19 nice, screen just finished, will be deploying image/systemd builders in place of all nfs shortly 20:30:20 msalter has been clearing out dependency loops with great speed 20:30:24 And there was much rejoicing 20:30:41 We're going to try getting ourselves weened off stage3 this week. 20:30:46 linuxconsoletools built and vim is building now 20:31:07 * j_dulaney has built ghc 20:31:19 #info 9278 packages built, 4000 to go 20:31:29 pwhalen: we have a new image? 20:31:33 * j_dulaney did it outside of the script, however, so is manually uploading to Fedora People 20:31:46 j_dulaney: wow... that is the one that requires ghc to build ghc, right? 20:31:52 #info documentation processing packages such as texlive and doxygen are now built 20:32:09 #info j_dulaney has bootstrapped ghc 20:32:10 yea, that was awesome to see 20:32:10 dgilmore, I can post the image with some edits 20:32:16 (esp. texlive) 20:32:23 pwhalen: cheers, ill try again 20:32:27 masta: Indeed 20:32:37 #info new foundation model is available which fixes crash issue with image-based rootfs 20:32:52 Oh, it is? 20:32:55 Link? 20:33:08 should be at the same place as previous version 20:33:13 (I don't have a link handy) 20:33:23 #action pwhalen to post new image/instructions to the wiki for aarch64 quickstart 20:33:37 j_dulaney: Link is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/AArch64/QuickStart 20:33:42 Thanks 20:33:52 #link Participating on the bootstrap starts at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/AArch64/QuickStart 20:34:30 msalter: what're you planning on tackling next? 20:35:25 php, then whatever seems to be blocking the most. 20:35:48 I updated the missing dependency email to use more current data 20:36:09 I wonder if we have enough built to provision a koji builder... 20:36:29 ooh, that's a good question 20:36:41 I bet we do or are very close 20:36:50 we do have the koji-builder rpm built 20:37:02 (as of may 2) 20:37:08 battery in this laptop is dying and I seem to have left power adapter in hotel so I might have to drop (and be back online later) - have another laptop, but it's not configured for freenode and so on 20:37:20 we want to build everything before moving to koji 20:37:37 jonmasters_: webchat.freenode.net 20:37:41 the current way is faster with emulators 20:37:50 jonmasters_: WebUI for irc 20:38:06 j_dulaney: yea, I know, might do that 20:38:18 bconoboy, msalter we do have koji-builder 20:38:24 (noarch) 20:38:33 anything else for this topic? questions? 20:38:42 anything else for aarch64? 20:39:15 #topic 4) Fedora 19 Beta for ARM 20:39:21 #topic 4a) Fedora 19 for ARM - Skipping Alpha, releasing Beta with PA 20:39:47 dgilmore and I discussed- we think it's better to skip alpha and ship beta at the same time PA does 20:40:02 +1 20:40:03 that gives us just under 2 weeks to get it done 20:40:09 ok so we can use vfad 20:40:17 masta: good idea 20:40:23 maybe a Friday one again? 20:40:24 we've had a bit of a closed alpha to get to Beta, sounds good to me 20:40:51 pwhalen: okay, what's 4b? :-) 20:40:59 friday sounds good 20:41:05 #topic 4b) Fedora 19 for ARM - Graphics support 20:41:21 * j_dulaney is +1 for Friday 20:41:37 we'll need to have TCs in place for Friday if we want to whack-a-mole stuff 20:41:49 vfad is coming up 20:41:55 4d :) 20:41:59 ok 20:42:12 for f19 it appears we're talking about just using tegra for graphics support, dropping vexpress and omap. yes? 20:42:13 for graphics I think we only have tegra, but I havent tested it 20:42:33 dropping vexpress? 20:42:51 dmarlin, for graphics only iiuc 20:42:52 I'll poke vexpress over the weekend for you but I am not opposed 20:42:55 evidently it doesn't work 20:43:06 I would really like to include vexpress support, but don't have anybody on hook to fix it 20:43:47 >> crickets << 20:44:02 bconoboy: put me on hook for update on Monday on vexpress graphics 20:44:04 Okay, so unless jonmasters pulls a rabbit out of his hat let's assume we're tegra only, if that 20:44:05 Any idea what's up with it? 20:44:16 bconoboy: I'll triage before Monday, provide an update on what I think is possible 20:44:17 I filed a bz on vexpress graphics, but no action on it 20:44:20 Just curios 20:44:31 So, beta-> might not have graphical support 20:44:44 #info beta might not have support for graphics hardware 20:44:59 #action jonmasters will check vexpress or omap over weekend 20:45:05 #action pwhalen will investigate tegra options 20:45:10 I promise an update before Monday 20:45:12 in my testing ive had graphical console only on trimslice 20:45:15 pwhalen: please ping me on Monday for said update 20:45:28 4c? 20:45:30 jonmasters_, will do 20:45:40 #topic 4c) Fedora 19 for ARM - Image format 20:46:04 what is this? 20:46:12 image format? 20:46:21 I more had a question of what we're shipping, partitioning layout 20:46:42 the Beta image posted had vfat on the 2nd partition, which didnt work for omap 20:46:46 i going to try see if we can make a single image for everything 20:46:55 oh.. so we have a unified image now... 20:47:03 pwhalen: need to test some more 20:47:04 the Beta did work on the trimslice and vexpress 20:47:06 ok so do we want a swap partition? 20:47:14 masta: it was 3rd 20:47:39 * j_dulaney notes he had trouble with kernel modules auto-loading 20:47:48 * j_dulaney is going to poke that some more 20:47:50 i made a image /boot 500mb /boot/uboot 20mb swap 500mb / 6500mb 20:48:15 dgilmore: Let's not waste too much time on this- we can still have partition 1 be vfat and then use partition 2 for /boot 20:48:33 chain leading a uEnv.txt or boot.scr from partition 1 to partition 2 is fast and easy 20:48:34 omap spec says it reads the partition table and loads from first fat partition 20:48:51 first fat partition or first partition which needs to be fat? :-) 20:49:08 first fat partition 20:49:17 There's also the weird boundary alignment issues to be considered 20:49:22 I thought the first partition, and it can be a raw offset or vfat 20:49:36 ok, so we do need some more testing on this prior to a vfad, I think friday may be a little early, dgilmore? 20:49:59 perhaps vfad monday? 20:50:01 perhaps Tuesday? (monday is a holiday here) 20:50:02 * masta is happy to test before vfad - fyi 20:50:08 * jonmasters_ ok with Monday 20:50:10 or tuesday 20:50:12 #info docs on omap booting http://www.omappedia.com/wiki/Bootloader_Project 20:50:13 +1 monday 20:50:46 +1 tuesday 20:50:51 Only problem with Monday is QA conflicts 20:50:56 which is next 20:50:57 +1 Tuesday 20:50:59 alright well dont' wait for vfad to release images. I'd be happy to test them instead of doing $dayjob anytime 20:51:02 pwhalen is out monday, so tuesday it is 20:51:02 #topic 4d) Fedora 19 for ARM - Scheduling a VFAD 20:51:22 we will have a test compose today 20:51:31 #info Fedora 19 Beta VFAD on Tuesday May 21st (provided we have images) 20:51:31 How about tuesday for vfad, informal testing earlier? 20:51:38 primary should have a rc today or tomorrow 20:51:44 #undo 20:51:44 Removing item from minutes: 20:51:46 so ill do a matching compose 20:51:52 #info Fedora 19 Beta VFAD on Tuesday May 21st @ 11am (provided we have images) 20:52:01 dgilmore: you going to use 0.43 arm-boot-config? 20:52:20 bconoboy: unless we have something newer 20:52:35 dgilmore: 0.44 is done but not pushed. the interesting fix will be in 0.45. 20:52:58 bconoboy: okay 20:53:03 dgilmore: ok sounds great.. I'd check back later for those iamges and start working 20:53:04 bconoboy, would be great to have the .45 , any eta on that? 20:53:13 pwhalen: I'll work on it today 20:53:22 cool, thanks! 20:53:43 .44 and earlier will blindy try to boot the most recently installed kernel instead of one that definitely has a matching dtb. .45 will fix this. 20:53:43 alright, anything else for f19? 20:54:28 #topic 5) Pidora Status Update 20:54:39 just fyi: if tuesday 5/28 vfad, that's the currently scheduled Virt vfad for f19 20:54:41 ctyler, take it away 20:54:57 ddd__, would be the 21st 20:55:10 Do we have a Pidora 18 final image. 20:55:11 But! 20:55:16 beta release day is 5/28 20:55:25 pwhalen: 21st is holiday? 20:55:30 The foundation updated the firmware on Monday, and we have some breakage. 20:55:34 ddd: 20 is holiday 20:55:35 ddd__, 20th here 20:55:41 Memorial Day 20:55:54 ctyler: I like that name: Pidora 20:55:54 ctyler: what kinda breakage? 20:55:55 No, Memorial day on 27th.... 20:56:02 Should have that fixed in the next few hours. Once we have final image, we'll schedule the release announcement. 20:56:04 ctyler: You speak of v6 Pidora? 20:56:10 dgilmore: firstboot doesn't run 20:56:16 ddd__: pwhalen is canadian 20:56:20 Pidora is the Raspberry Pi Fedora Remix armv6hl version 20:56:23 Canadian :) 20:56:25 ctyler: okay 20:56:34 Coolio 20:56:39 Looks like an issue accessing the vfat /boot partition. 20:56:50 We would have shipped with the previous firmware rev, but the new firmware 20:56:56 ctyler, agreene fossjon oatley awesome work, I look forward to checking it out! 20:57:04 enables Pidora to be included on a new multi-distro card image 20:57:10 * ddd__ nix's pwhalen if he's a (Montreal) Canadien fan ... :{=} 20:57:16 that will be bundled with the HW for a few dollars. 20:57:27 And we really want to be there. 20:57:31 ddd__, sadly Toronto.. :( 20:57:45 pwhalen: my sincere condolences 20:57:57 * ddd__ doing happy feet dance.... 20:58:41 ctyler, great, any features we can look for, cool things? or should we wait for the announcement? 20:59:16 Reasonable performance of the GUI, full toolchain on the card, nice firstboot, 20:59:28 * pwhalen ignores anything Boston 20:59:32 headless mode, many other fun things. 20:59:37 nice 21:00:08 Boston Strong... 21:00:19 cyler: I note that the last test image I tried, I had to manually enable ssh 21:00:25 ctyler, even 21:00:32 oooo....headless rpi... i like that 21:00:44 ctyler: that sounds really good. 21:00:46 j_dulaney: We've got that one covered 21:00:57 ctyler: I plugged in a keyboard and typed everything from memory, since I don't have anything to plug it in to 21:01:21 ctyler: do we get a sneak peak of Pidora to try it out? 21:01:23 j_dulaney, lol 21:01:28 * j_dulaney likes it when make gives exit 0 21:01:32 headless mode: drop an empty file "headless" in the vfat partition and it adjusts for headless operation. IP paramters can be specified in that file, too, if you don't want DHCP. 21:01:50 nice 21:01:52 cool 21:01:54 Nice 21:02:07 masta: I'll send the link to the image as soon as we beat this firmware into submission. 21:02:24 ctyler: Is there a way to tell the kernel to reduce/remove ram dedicated to vid memory? 21:02:37 ctyler: I'd like new image, too 21:02:37 j_dulaney: it's dynamic now 21:03:00 #action ctyler to send an email to the list with Pidora (Raspberry Pi Fedora 18 Remix armv6hl version) image link 21:03:06 tyler: So, if I go into runlevel3, it does it automagically? 21:03:51 j_dulaney: oh, it doesn't go to zero, since the GPU is needed for some ops (it does have 97% of the chip), but it drops low. 21:04:08 Cool 21:04:37 ctyler, anything else to add ? 21:05:20 thanks for the update as well, congrats to the team at Seneca 21:05:31 +1 21:05:33 yes great work Seneca! 21:05:53 #topic 6) Open Floor 21:06:04 anything else folks? 21:06:18 so I just got my omap5 pandaboard, does our 3.9 have that enabled? 21:06:42 masta: nope 21:06:43 (Oooh, shiny. How do you like it?) 21:06:44 masta: pointer? 21:07:03 it jsut arrived, durring this meeting it wa sunboxed 21:07:08 just even... 21:07:19 * kwizart wishes to have support for paz00 in a-b-c (aka toshiba ac100), will probably make a patch 21:07:23 bummber about the kernel =( 21:07:36 masta, it will in 3.10 21:08:17 masta: 3.10 will have it in lpae when we get exynos multiplatform patches 21:08:27 hey I was wondering do we have any funding in sencondary SIG for Fedora community FADs, for say.... people who want to hackathon on their Raspberry Pi's in San Francisco?? 21:08:54 masta: no idea 21:09:07 masta: the ambassadors would know 21:09:18 ok I'll ask rbergeron 21:09:30 ctyler: acknowledged 21:09:37 Do we have BB-Black support? 21:10:01 no idea 21:10:15 ctyler: I've been trying to get BBB working using their kerrnel and boot bits... without rootfs... no luck so far 21:10:20 bb and bb-black support are one in the same aren't they? 21:10:27 bconoboy: Not sure 21:10:30 err.. with our rootfs 21:10:39 ctyler, Peter mentioned adding some patches for bb black uboot support 21:10:42 bconoboy: yes 21:10:58 and I think 3.10 for the kernel 21:11:01 (I thought the on-board peripherals varies slightly) 21:11:05 the BB and BB/B we will carry some patches until 3.11 21:11:14 k 21:11:28 but the patches are happy upstream so we are good 21:12:18 'Cuz if f upstream ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. 21:12:41 anything else for today? 21:12:55 nope 21:13:01 none 21:13:08 #endmeeting