20:02:30 <pwhalen> #startmeeting Fedora ARM weekly status meeting
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20:02:30 <pwhalen> #chair pwhalen jonmasters bconoboy ctyler pbrobinson dgilmore dmarlin masta j_dulaney msalter ahs3 agreene jcapik ddd_
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20:02:33 <ctyler> .fas chris@tylers.info
20:02:33 <ctyler> Howdy y'all.
20:02:36 * pbrobinson waves
20:02:38 <pwhalen> .fas pwhalen
20:02:44 <pwhalen> good afternoon all!
20:02:47 <dmarlin> .fas dmarlin
20:02:53 * handsome_pirate mans the Crows Nest
20:03:11 <bconoboy> .fas blc@
20:03:13 * masta is  here (again)
20:03:15 <ahs3> .fas ahs3
20:03:34 <jcapik> .fas jcapik
20:03:39 * ctyler notes zodbot isn't very .fas today
20:03:54 <pbrobinson> handsome_pirate watch out or I'll make you walk the plank.... ;-)
20:03:54 <pwhalen> :)
20:03:57 <agreene> .fas agreene
20:04:17 <pwhalen> #topic 0) Status of ACTION items from our previous meeting
20:04:20 <handsome_pirate> pbrobinson:  Arrr
20:04:25 <pwhalen> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-07-10/fedora-meeting-1.2013-07-10-20.02.html
20:04:41 <masta> nirik: zodbot working?
20:04:53 <handsome_pirate> Aye
20:04:53 <ahs3> Network Solutions DNS is under DDoS attack...it's affecting a lot of places, maybe even zodbot
20:05:01 <pwhalen> masta, meeting got started ok
20:05:19 <pwhalen> any updates on the action items from last week?
20:05:19 <masta> pwhalen: yea, well hope it's logging =)
20:05:36 * handsome_pirate hasn't done his
20:05:37 <pwhalen> agreed, shall we wait, or continue?
20:05:54 * handsome_pirate has been busy applying for college
20:06:04 <handsome_pirate> .bacon
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20:06:09 <handsome_pirate> zodbot works
20:06:26 <pbrobinson> lol
20:06:38 <pwhalen> ok, so looking over last week's items:
20:06:58 * pbrobinson doesn't remember his action item
20:07:16 <pwhalen> pbrobinson, your clear
20:07:22 <pwhalen> kylem to create a list of new supported platforms in 3.11
20:07:49 * ctyler loves the codename for 3.11
20:07:49 <pwhalen> jonmasters to get details for building openjdk to fulfill java dependency
20:07:50 <pwhalen> dgilmore to setup koji hub&db for aarch64
20:07:59 <pbrobinson> WOO
20:08:19 <dgilmore> pwhalen: not had a chance to look at it yet
20:08:20 <handsome_pirate> ctyler:  Aye
20:08:56 <pwhalen> dgilmore, understandable - thanks, shall I add it again?
20:09:09 <dgilmore> pwhalen: sure
20:09:14 <pwhalen> #action dgilmore to setup koji hub&db for aarch64
20:09:35 <handsome_pirate> pwhalen:  Re-add mine, if you please
20:09:42 <pwhalen> handsome_pirate, you still interested/have time.. ok :)
20:09:44 <pwhalen> thanks
20:09:48 <pbrobinson> pwhalen: is that openjdk for arm64?
20:09:56 <pwhalen> #action handsome_pirate Is talking to ghc upstream
20:10:19 <pwhalen> pbrobinson, I missed the meeting, not sure... looking
20:10:19 <pbrobinson> handsome_pirate have you spoken with juhp?
20:10:29 <pwhalen> pbrobinson, it is
20:10:59 <pbrobinson> we need to start minuting what arm it is so that the left knows what the right is doing ;-)
20:11:09 <bconoboy> #action msalter is working on openjdk for aarch64
20:11:17 <handsome_pirate> pbrobinson:  Not lately
20:11:19 <handsome_pirate> pbrobinson:  I'll ping him
20:11:33 * handsome_pirate seems to recall he's in Brno
20:11:35 <pwhalen> pbrobinson, agreed, will do
20:11:57 <pbrobinson> handsome_pirate: do as he does upstream ghc dev in RH and has been really helpful in dealing with arm
20:12:08 <handsome_pirate> pbrobinson:  Aye
20:13:11 <pwhalen> anything else from last week?
20:13:38 <pwhalen> #action kylem to create a list of new supported platforms in 3.11
20:13:56 <pwhalen> #topic 1) Problem packages
20:14:14 <masta> there was something about mesa working
20:14:15 <pbrobinson> we've closed off the ghostscript issue so systemtap has built
20:14:27 <bconoboy> #info ghostscript/systemtap blocker resolved
20:14:30 <pbrobinson> so now I'm beating on rawhide
20:15:01 <pbrobinson> gperftools is the current hit list but trying a rebuild in case gs affected it too (and for shits and giggles)
20:15:02 <pwhalen> amazing :)
20:15:27 <pbrobinson> so in the next day or so should have a much better idea what the hell is the state of rawhide
20:15:56 <dgilmore> im planning to import rawhide to primary this weekend
20:15:57 <handsome_pirate> pwhalen:  I just noticed that you have me chaired under my old nick
20:16:07 * handsome_pirate was going to do a #info on llvm
20:16:07 <pwhalen> anything blocking f19 or otherwise ?
20:16:07 <pbrobinson> and basically plan to have the gap as close to zero as possible in time for mass rebuild on sat
20:16:26 <masta> handsome_pirate: don't need chair to #info
20:16:27 <pbrobinson> ghostscript was the big blocker for both
20:16:42 <handsome_pirate> pwhalen:  f19 seems pretty strong, haven't mucked with Rawhide
20:17:01 <masta> pbrobinson: cool!
20:17:57 <masta> I guess we will know the problem packages after the mass rebuild
20:18:06 <bconoboy> pbrobinson: if anything else comes up let me know and I will dispatch a squad of arm ninjas
20:18:07 <pbrobinson> so if you see a ghostscript update in f19 bodhi please karma it up so it can land stable asap
20:18:28 <pbrobinson> bconoboy:  Oh I plan to and I will do so from this side of the pond!
20:19:05 <pwhalen> if someone could drop it in channel, we'll all test and karma it up
20:19:15 <pwhalen> ok, anything else?
20:19:28 <pbrobinson> will do and no
20:19:30 <pwhalen> #topic 2) Kernel Status Update
20:19:58 <pbrobinson> I can do that if Kyle isn't about
20:20:04 <pwhalen> testing the latest 3.10 looks pretty good on everything
20:20:05 <pbrobinson> speak of the devil
20:20:12 * masta has been testing 3.11 a bit
20:20:18 <masta> oh wait, we are still on 3.10
20:20:21 <kylem> sorry, wandered off for iced cream and melted on the way back.
20:20:35 <pbrobinson> kylem: eat faster ;-)
20:21:03 <pwhalen> #info kernel-3.11.0-0.rc1.git0.1.fc20 just finished
20:21:11 <pbrobinson> so from my pov 3.11 rc1 should build OK and needs testing
20:21:15 <pwhalen> #link http://arm.koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=153355
20:21:27 <pbrobinson> the next build should have BBone Black dtb
20:21:48 <pbrobinson> and 3.10.1 should be landing in mainline/arm f19 soon
20:21:54 * handsome_pirate hasn't had a chance to build 3.11
20:21:59 <handsome_pirate> Or even grab the code
20:22:00 <pwhalen> pbrobinson, will test on the bb white now
20:22:14 * handsome_pirate will give the rpm a shot tomorrow
20:22:24 <kylem> handsome_pirate, http://kyle.fedorapeople.org/kconfigdiff.py
20:22:39 <kylem> should help you poking at the chromebook .config
20:22:58 <handsome_pirate> kylem:  Roger
20:22:59 <pbrobinson> kylem: what does that script do?
20:23:17 <kylem> compares two .config symbol by symbol, as opposed to line by line like diff -u would
20:23:27 <masta> pbrobinson: tried the bone black with yesterdays scratch, with and without the dtb it was not happy booting, something about alignment errors
20:23:28 <dmarlin> kylem: excellent!
20:23:33 <pbrobinson> fan bloody tastic!
20:23:45 <masta> looking forward to testign 3.11 kernels on everything!
20:23:46 <kylem> there's a helper script that isn't done yet that actually looks up the symbol definitions.
20:23:57 <kylem> but it... needs like 2GB of memory to run because python sucks. :)
20:24:17 <handsome_pirate> kylem:  C ftw
20:24:21 <handsome_pirate> :)
20:24:49 <ctyler> pypy ftw in this case?
20:25:22 <pbrobinson> who cares, off topic....
20:25:30 <pwhalen> anything else for the kernel?
20:26:07 <pwhalen> #topic 3a) Aarch64 Status Update, problem packages
20:26:36 <bconoboy> Number of source rpms built in stage 4: 11280
20:26:42 <bconoboy> Number of packages built in stage4 with aarch64 components: 4724
20:26:57 <bconoboy> about 40 pacakges in the queue atm
20:27:04 <jcapik> how many running builders do we have right now?
20:27:15 <bconoboy> pwhalen?
20:27:51 <jcapik> I'm running 3 and it seems to me the number increases too slowly
20:27:55 <pwhalen> checking, believe around 30-35
20:28:46 <jcapik> pwhalen: that's really strange
20:29:02 * handsome_pirate is trying to get h/w to build
20:29:36 <jcapik> pwhalen: we're doing 40 packages a day
20:30:39 <pwhalen> 30
20:37:47 <handsome_pirate> pwhalen:  I have it all
20:37:57 <nirik> pwhalen: just what was said while it was off.
20:38:03 <masta> do we reboot the meeting?
20:38:11 <pwhalen> nirik, perfect, thanks
20:38:16 <pbrobinson> pwhalen bconoboy: going to add python3 to build issues. BZ incoming shortly
20:38:53 <pwhalen> #info openjdk bootstrap still in progress. msalter hopes to have it wrapped up by next week
20:39:39 <pwhalen> #topic 3b) Moving to Koji - update
20:40:04 <pwhalen> dgilmore already gave us an update, in progress, anything else needed here?
20:40:40 <pwhalen> or questions, concerns?
20:40:55 <bconoboy> nope
20:41:06 <pwhalen> #topic 4) F20 PA Promotion Criteria discussion
20:42:11 <pwhalen> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-17/fesco.2013-07-17-18.00.html
20:42:22 * handsome_pirate looks
20:42:42 <masta> so the infra is being promoted from what I took away
20:42:43 <pbrobinson> well we've been promoted to primary koji, we've got a number of issues that will need to be addressed to ensure it remains
20:42:49 <pbrobinson> correct
20:42:52 <pwhalen> this was discussed at todays fesco meeting and it was agreed -  "build ARM on primary infrastructure. whether it is released as a primary Fedora 20 or as 'Fedora 20 for ARM' depends on how well it fulfills release criteria and functionality criteria closer to release time"
20:43:09 <pbrobinson> so it could be reverted if it causes issues between now and beta
20:43:25 <pbrobinson> and it could remain but we're not declared a primary arch over all
20:43:46 <pbrobinson> so it's definitely a awesome step forward but still lots of work to do
20:44:02 <masta> the name primary will be given near release
20:44:33 * masta was unclear if we slip back to SA or continue to push for primary in the unspeakabel event we miss PA this cycle
20:44:47 <ctyler> masta: probably TBD
20:44:58 <pbrobinson> masta it depends
20:45:05 * handsome_pirate wonders what release criteria arm will have to follow
20:45:11 <handsome_pirate> ie, anaconda, gnome, and the like
20:45:14 <bconoboy> #info  "build ARM on primary infrastructure. whether it is released as a primary Fedora 20 or as 'Fedora 20 for ARM' depends on how well it fulfills release criteria and functionality criteria closer to release time"
20:45:19 <pbrobinson> the slip back to SA infra will be if build issues/times are a major problem
20:45:20 <bconoboy> (woo)
20:45:23 <pwhalen> handsome_pirate, the PA release criteria
20:45:29 <pwhalen> with small adjustments
20:45:50 <handsome_pirate> So, for F20, we're required to install via anaconda?
20:45:54 <handsome_pirate> And, run Gnome?
20:45:54 <pwhalen> from the QA meeting "QA does not see any definite roadblocks to ARM becoming a primary arch for F20, but expects that minor changes will be needed to the release criteria to define the ARM 'release blocking images' and assistance will be needed from ARM-focused testers to complete ARM validation testing"
20:45:58 <ctyler> What's the timeframe for the Koji integration vs. the mass rebuild?
20:46:14 <handsome_pirate> pwhalen:  Aye, I was there
20:46:29 <handsome_pirate> pwhalen:  I was trying to look through FESCo stuff on the issue
20:46:30 <pwhalen> handsome_pirate, not everyone was, posting for all
20:46:40 * ctyler thinks we should aim to run gnome in any case
20:46:59 <bconoboy> #info From the QA meeting "QA does not see any definite roadblocks to ARM becoming a primary arch for F20, but expects that minor changes will be needed to the release criteria to define the ARM 'release blocking images' and assistance will be needed from ARM-focused testers to complete ARM validation testing
20:47:34 <pbrobinson> ctyler: we are even if its dog slow with llvmpipe
20:48:06 <masta> =)
20:48:07 <pbrobinson> ctyler: dgilmore and I are working on the koji integration and plan to have it there in time for mass rebuild
20:48:23 <ctyler> excellent! When is MR?
20:48:45 <dgilmore> ctyler: when things are ready
20:48:56 <dgilmore> perl is likley to hold it up
20:51:06 <pwhalen> anything else to be discussed here? or to be revisited once digested further?
20:51:26 <pwhalen> nothing left after this
20:51:29 * handsome_pirate is good
20:51:48 <pwhalen> #topic 5) Open Floor
20:52:54 <pwhalen> anything else to be discussed? or shall we wrap
20:52:56 <bconoboy> one thing
20:53:08 <bconoboy> Big thanks to dgilmore and pbrobinson for putting the PA promotion proposal together
20:53:16 <bconoboy> that is all
20:53:33 <pwhalen> +1
20:53:49 <masta> I'm hoping to release a bone black remix over the weekend, have been watching the 3.11 scratch builds. Also likely to refresh teh chromebook remix too... maybe try 3.11 there
20:53:52 <pbrobinson> I'd just like to note that over the next couple of weeks we need to push hard and be vigilant to ensure we help people fix problems where they run into them
20:54:37 <pbrobinson> so while we've done a lot of work the real hard work is just beginning.... ie to convince all and sundry we're ready to go PA
20:54:40 <bconoboy> #info Masta to create beaglebone black remix
20:55:04 <bconoboy> #info PA is not assured- we must be especially vigilant to fix issues as they crop up during the transition
20:55:07 <masta> I've got a beta image ready for testing now
20:55:17 * handsome_pirate has something
20:55:32 <masta> http://parasense.fedorapeople.org/f19-beagleboneblack-MATE.img.xz
20:55:57 <pwhalen> #undo
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20:56:00 <masta> with any luck I'll get 3.11 working on the black
20:56:01 <bconoboy> #link http://parasense.fedorapeople.org/f19-beagleboneblack-MATE.img.xz is a beta beaglebone black image
20:56:05 <handsome_pirate> masta:  The image I gave you didn't have the framebuffer uboot
20:56:10 <handsome_pirate> (For Chromebook)
20:56:18 <pwhalen> #info PA is not assured- we must be especially vigilant to fix issues as they crop up during the transition
20:56:22 <bconoboy> tnx pwhalen
20:57:29 <pwhalen> last call ..
20:57:51 <pwhalen> #endmeeting