19:30:00 #startmeeting Fedora ARM weekly status meeting 19:30:00 Meeting started Wed Aug 14 19:30:00 2013 UTC. The chair is pwhalen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:30:00 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:30:00 #chair pwhalen jonmasters bconoboy ctyler pbrobinson dgilmore dmarlin masta handsome_pirate msalter ahs3 agreene jcapik ddd_ 19:30:00 Current chairs: agreene ahs3 bconoboy ctyler ddd_ dgilmore dmarlin handsome_pirate jcapik jonmasters masta msalter pbrobinson pwhalen 19:30:08 .fas blc@ 19:30:09 bconoboy: blc '' 19:30:10 afternoon everyone 19:30:15 .fas pwhalen 19:30:16 pwhalen: pwhalen 'Paul Whalen' 19:31:48 #topic 0) Status of ACTION items from our previous meeting 19:31:48 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-08-07/fedora-meeting-1.2013-08-07-19.29.html 19:32:08 did we want to talk about the viable boards discussed at flock now? 19:32:45 is that elsewhere on the agenda? 19:32:48 if not, now is good 19:32:52 .fas jcapik 19:32:53 jcapik: jcapik 'Jaromír Cápík' 19:33:24 could be covered here or in the kernel portion i guess, kylem__ ? 19:34:04 I pinged Peter, I havent seen him on today 19:34:10 peter is traveling 19:34:17 let's cover it during kernel, hopefully kyle will be back by then 19:34:18 sure. 19:34:24 there he is! get him! 19:34:28 yea, thought that may be the case 19:34:48 i *think* we said that wandboard, utilite and beaglebone black 19:34:50 kylem__ you don't hide very well 19:35:01 #link Peter's State of the ARM Union lists new boards: http://nullr0ute.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Flock2013-ARM-StateOfTheUnion.pdf 19:35:50 #info Likely new devices in F20: Beaglebone, Wandboard, Utilite 19:36:24 i've got a utilite now, but i need to bug them for their source. ships with 3.0 on it. 19:36:38 #info Other possibilities include AC100, Tegra3/4 in general, Chromebook, Arndale, Odroid 19:36:57 kylem__: ugh- does it have an embedded dtb? 19:37:39 bconoboy, looks it 19:38:02 let me turn it back on 19:38:23 pwhalen: peter is on his way back to the UK 19:38:24 big list of targets to test 19:38:51 dgilmore, ok, thought that may be the case 19:39:19 we're going to do a decision point on which devices are in and out 19:39:47 sounds good, do we know at which point we'll do that? 19:39:58 So, what is the standard by which we are willing to say "We will support $BOARD in F20?" And when do we need to decide? 19:39:59 i think there's a question of what do we want to /support/ and what do we just want to enable 19:40:38 kylem__: right, some stuff we will enable, it may or may not work 19:40:52 but some boards we want to be sure they work 19:40:59 agreed. 19:41:00 support implies we have the capacity to do QE 19:41:59 so when do we revisit and make that decision? 19:42:14 perhaps the right first step is discussing on the mailing list 19:42:28 I'm not sure all the stake holders are here now 19:43:23 Okay, so I propose this: 19:43:49 Let's discuss minimal criteria for support on arm@lists.fp.o, possibly including devel@lists.fp.o as well 19:43:58 Then we can discuss here again next week 19:44:04 if needed 19:45:04 can I get a +1? :-) 19:45:06 sounds good, who would like to email the list? 19:45:06 * masta is here late 19:45:10 +1 19:45:13 I'll kick off the discussion 19:45:28 thanks 19:46:13 #action bconoboy to email the arm/devel mailing lists to begin supportable hw in f20 discussion 19:46:29 #topic 1) Problem packages 19:48:03 anyone able to call out some problem packages right now? 19:48:29 Is glibc still a problem? 19:48:36 (neon instructions) 19:48:58 it appears so , dgilmore mentioned it should be resolved this week? 19:49:29 #link glibc has neon instructions https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=985342 19:49:36 I don't see an update to the BZ since July 24 19:49:39 dgilmore? 19:51:10 That's the only big one I'm aware of 19:51:32 that's next on my list unless carlos gets free cycles 19:52:16 okay, cool 19:52:23 thanks kylem__ , he may have looked today as well 19:52:31 #topic 2) Kernel Status Update 19:52:48 no change on my end due to flock, but at least i have a flyswatter now 19:53:19 awesome 19:53:47 poking at openocd now, hopefully should have some progress after the meeting or tomorrow morning 19:54:04 #info No updated since last week (SIGFLOCK) 19:54:16 kylem__: what boards are you puting the flyswatter first? 19:54:26 pandaboard 19:55:32 #topic 3a) Aarch64 - Status Update 19:56:23 how does it look bconoboy ? 19:56:28 Build queue is empty 19:56:52 Currently 11909/13606 packages built, including 5043 aarch64-producing packages 19:57:16 We're pulling in updates every night and queueing them up 19:57:24 So the good news is we have more builders than we have F19 updates 19:57:48 The bad news is that we're still about 1600 packages short of the finish line 19:58:21 are all of these packages that failed due to a build issue? 19:58:23 #info 11909/13606 packages built 19:58:40 there are 856 failed builds 19:58:49 249 failed due to dependency resolution issues 19:59:01 607 failed due to something in %build 19:59:29 It's possible that if we requeued many of these they would pass upon retry, as newer versions of dependencies are always rolling in 19:59:41 That may be the next logical step 20:00:26 right, should we keep requeuing rather than leave builders idle 20:00:36 yeah, I think so 20:01:21 anything else ? 20:01:30 #info Builders are idle, so we will requeue the failed 856 builds as dependencies may not be filled 20:01:41 #include 20:01:52 #undo 20:01:52 Removing item from minutes: 20:02:00 #info Builders are idle, so we will requeue the failed 856 builds as dependencies may now be filled 20:02:04 :) 20:02:28 #topic 3b) F19 Remix 20:03:08 Just a heads up for everybody, we will be putting an F19 remix out in the next few days 20:03:26 This will be a little different from the builder image we're maintaining now 20:03:44 aarch64 remix? 20:04:12 It won't include the rebuild stuff- just a pure stage 4 image that people can use to test drive Fedora on AArch64 20:04:28 cool! 20:05:02 We'll include a 3.11 kernel and modules suitable for use with the foundation model 20:05:36 Hopefully semiconductors who are producing their own aarch64 chips will find it useful as well- bring your own kernel 20:06:35 #info An F19 AArch64 remix is coming- including a Fedora 3.11 kernel/initramfs for use with foundation model. 20:06:58 We'll be producing the image using live media creator 20:07:49 #info livemedia-creator is capable of making these images even now 20:08:27 #topic 4) Flock Wrap-up - Did you attend? Tell us about it! 20:08:58 Who went? What happened? Was it awesome? 20:09:06 bconoboy: ideally we use the same tools as we do for v7 20:09:12 i did -- it was really quite fantastic, massive thanks to ruth and spot and all the volunteers 20:09:33 kylem: Any arm highlights? 20:09:38 * dgilmore was there, it was good. 20:09:52 bconoboy: there was a lot of different arm things 20:09:57 many at the same time 20:10:08 so impossible to see all 20:10:33 * masta was there. Good times =) 20:10:38 yeah, my only criticism was it was hard to see everything, since there was like 8 parallel trakc.s 20:10:46 that's a lot of tracks 20:10:48 but that's not really fixable unless i clone myself a few times. 20:11:57 so... any decisions get made? anybody on the hook for anything? 20:11:59 if there was only 2 or 3 tracks chances are higher there is nothing of interest 20:12:07 me and probinson finally got to connect on a lot of kernel stuff too, which was good 20:12:28 bconoboy: nothing really new 20:12:30 i also talked to npmcallum about the replacement for smolt and collecting data from arm systems 20:12:49 #info Vulcan mind meld between kylem and pbrobinson for kernel maint plans 20:13:01 going to look at enabling grub, though we still need cmd_pxe enabled for pxe booting 20:13:12 enabling grub would be great 20:13:52 kylem__: that would be nice, smolt worked at one point but people broke it for not x86 at some point 20:14:19 they made it only work with dmidecode 20:14:21 yeah, i'm going to write some python to collect hw details 20:14:30 anyway, that's a tangent 20:15:29 there was no huge new things as to f20 things to do 20:15:52 #info Possible development pursuits include enabling grub and the new smolt replacement- these are probably f21+ activities 20:16:30 #link FLOCK Talks - http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_p--G_ebsrR4kA4zpqLSTw 20:17:19 #topic 5) Open Floor 20:17:46 anything else for today? 20:18:20 crickets 20:18:54 =) 20:18:54 * pwhalen hears crickets too 20:19:02 going once.. 20:19:16 #endmeeting