20:00:12 <pwhalen> #startmeeting Fedora ARM weekly status meeting
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20:00:12 <pwhalen> #chair pwhalen jonmasters bconoboy ctyler pbrobinson dgilmore dmarlin jdisnard handsome_pirate msalter ahs3 agreene jcapik hrw
20:00:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: agreene ahs3 bconoboy ctyler dgilmore dmarlin handsome_pirate hrw jcapik jdisnard jonmasters msalter pbrobinson pwhalen
20:00:20 <jcapik> .fas jcapik
20:00:21 <zodbot> jcapik: jcapik 'Jaromír Cápík' <jcapik@redhat.com>
20:00:27 <pwhalen> .fas pwhalen
20:00:27 <zodbot> pwhalen: pwhalen 'Paul Whalen' <pwhalen@redhat.com>
20:00:29 <ahs3> .fas ahs3
20:00:30 <zodbot> ahs3: ahs3 'Al Stone' <ahs3@redhat.com>
20:00:48 <hrw> .fas hrw
20:00:48 <pwhalen> howdy folks! long time, no meeting
20:00:48 <zodbot> hrw: hrwillett 'Herman R Willett' <hrwillett@gmail.com> - vikaashrworld 'Vikash Kumar' <vikashrworld@gmail.com> - chrwhy 'Stephen Chen' <chrwhy@gmail.com> - hrw 'Marcin Juszkiewicz' <marcin-rhbugz@juszkiewicz.com.pl>
20:01:19 * masta looks in
20:01:28 <masta> howdy folks
20:01:40 <pwhalen> masta, ah, thought you had switched over
20:02:00 <bconoboy> .fas blc@
20:02:00 <zodbot> bconoboy: blc '' <blc@redhat.com>
20:02:00 <dmarlin> .fas dmarlin
20:02:02 <pwhalen> #chair pwhalen jonmasters bconoboy ctyler pbrobinson dgilmore dmarlin jdisnard handsome_pirate msalter ahs3 agreene jcapik hrw masta
20:02:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: agreene ahs3 bconoboy ctyler dgilmore dmarlin handsome_pirate hrw jcapik jdisnard jonmasters masta msalter pbrobinson pwhalen
20:02:03 <zodbot> dmarlin: dmarlin 'David A. Marlin' <dmarlin@redhat.com>
20:02:38 <masta> pwhalen, I have
20:03:07 <jonmasters> .fas jonmasters
20:03:08 <zodbot> jonmasters: jcm 'Jon Masters' <jonathan@jonmasters.org>
20:03:09 * ctyler waves
20:03:32 <pwhalen> awesome, lots of folks joining today.. lets get started
20:03:41 <pwhalen> #topic 1) Kernel Status Update
20:03:51 <kylem> i've got nothing new to report on that front.
20:04:15 <pwhalen> #info no new progress on outstanding kernel issues
20:04:46 * jonmasters got a new BeagleBoneBlack last week. I will try soldering on the JTAG header this weekend
20:04:52 <pwhalen> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1012025
20:05:21 <pwhalen> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1012014
20:05:55 <pwhalen> #info jonmasters got a new BeagleBoneBlack last week. will attempt to debug
20:06:19 <masta> so we have a long way to go with TI boards
20:06:45 <pwhalen> anything else from others before we move on?
20:06:46 <ctyler> well sumarized
20:07:06 <bconoboy> onward!
20:07:06 <pwhalen> #topic 2a) Aarch64 - Status Update
20:07:07 <jonmasters> pwhalen: I'm mostly interested in assisting others with BBB - so I'll see if I can get jtag debug working, but I'll look for an update from others on debug too
20:07:39 <bconoboy> We are now at 12141 packages built.  Very slow going.
20:08:02 <bconoboy> hrw has been chugging away on fixes, but qt is still outstanding
20:08:21 <bconoboy> (it takes a lot of cpu time to buidl)
20:08:28 <pwhalen> jonmasters, ok, logs may be a little misleading, sorry to put you on the hook :)
20:08:33 <jonmasters> :)
20:08:58 <bconoboy> #info 12141 packages built, next big gains will be from koji+f21 or qt being fixed
20:09:20 <jonmasters> anyone know a QT guru who might help with that?
20:09:20 <pwhalen> you said the k word, next topic?
20:09:31 <bconoboy> yep, next topic
20:09:38 <bconoboy> jonmasters: don't need a qt guru, need faster systems
20:09:52 <jonmasters> alright, move on
20:09:55 <pwhalen> #topic 2b) Aarch64 - Koji
20:10:07 <bconoboy> dgilmore: you here?
20:10:11 <hrw> jonmasters: qt guru will ask 'how long it take to build' and then will tell you to go away
20:10:18 <jonmasters> hrw: :)
20:10:20 <bconoboy> hrw: exactly
20:10:29 <bconoboy> Okay, here's the koji status as I have it
20:10:50 <bconoboy> Dennis and I talked it over, and think it's a little late to start building F20 packages
20:11:06 <bconoboy> So the idea is to bring up koji and do builds against rawhide
20:11:20 <bconoboy> We've never built f21/rawhide on arm.koji before
20:11:37 <bconoboy> So we can recycle the same arm.koji server that is handling secondary builds in f18/f19 today
20:11:47 <bconoboy> All that is needed is to generate new certs for the models
20:11:53 <masta> that sounds good
20:11:53 <jonmasters> ok
20:11:54 <pwhalen> excellent
20:12:02 <hrw> rawhide++
20:12:09 <jonmasters> who owns this?
20:12:10 <bconoboy> and configure the models to run koji-builder with those certs
20:12:15 <bconoboy> Then he got on an airplane and left the country
20:12:29 <ahs3> wow.  was it something you said?
20:12:41 <bconoboy> So, the plan is to drag him back to the USA, get him to generate the certs, then pwhalen will install on some of the models we have running
20:13:09 <bconoboy> The one question I don't have an answer to is: Who runs koji-shadow?
20:13:09 <hrw> bconoboy: USA suxx. get him to generate certs where he is
20:13:10 <jonmasters> ok, let's get Red Force One prepped and fueled
20:13:32 <masta> jonmasters, long term I'd like to gradually take over the arm koji stuff
20:13:43 <masta> maybe short term I can findout about the certs too
20:13:46 <bconoboy> okay, we have a volunteer
20:13:52 <jonmasters> masta: cool, because I was hoping indirectly by intentionally asking that question that you would give that response ;)
20:14:12 <bconoboy> Okay, so for the minutes...
20:14:13 <masta> I aim to please
20:14:29 <bconoboy> #info We will recycle arm.koji.fedoraproject.org for building aarch64 rawhide packages
20:14:44 <bconoboy> #action dgilmore or masta to generate koji certs for aarch64 builders
20:14:59 <bconoboy> #action pwhalen to configure builders once certs are ready
20:15:33 <bconoboy> masta: Was that a volunteering for koji-shadow as well?
20:15:45 <masta> bconoboy, yep
20:15:54 <bconoboy> #action masta to try his hand at koji-shadow
20:16:49 <bconoboy> that's all I have
20:16:55 <pwhalen> sounds good to me
20:17:04 <pwhalen> #topic 3) F20 Beta Goals & Challenges
20:17:50 <bconoboy> So, F20 alpha is out
20:17:56 <bconoboy> and it has arm support, as primary
20:17:58 <bconoboy> this is freaking awesome
20:18:21 <bconoboy> everybody pat yourselves on the back, or scratch your back, or if you can't reach let me know and you'll get a free back scratcher
20:18:23 <bconoboy> meanwhile
20:18:33 <ctyler> :-)
20:18:33 <bconoboy> F20 beta is next.  What did we miss in alpha we want in place for beta?
20:18:39 <masta> So in beta we have more QA tests to pass, right? my understanding it becomes more rigorous
20:19:07 <pwhalen> masta, it does, i am starting to apply beta criteria to alpha as an early indicator
20:19:33 <bconoboy> pwhalen: By "starting to" does that mean it's too early to ask for how it looks? :-)
20:19:44 <pwhalen> install testing i was already doing most of the applicable beta testcases
20:19:58 <masta> pwhalen, I noticed you were logging beta criteria last week. Good idea!
20:20:04 <pwhalen> bconoboy, it does.. .for the installer, looks good.. desktop, need to look more
20:21:23 <bconoboy> The only thing we didn't support in F20 alpha that I'd like to see in beta is the beaglebone black.  We're trying to keep kyle's schedule clear so he can work on it.  Are there other hardware platforms that people want to add support for and can take ownership in?
20:22:32 <hrw> bconoboy: I got Korean back scratcher already ;D
20:22:50 <masta> the BBB has the most value to support... we might be able to add some more i.mx6 boards, utilite, saber lite, etc...
20:23:10 <jonmasters> let's constrain "support" to a small list
20:23:17 <bconoboy> utilite kernel situation is, shall we say, primitive, so it's going to be f20 remix at best.
20:23:29 <masta> although the other mx6 boards might need some love to get working, the kernel for them is "enabled"
20:23:45 <jonmasters> for beta, I believe we're looking at BBB, TrimSlice, vexpres, and Wand
20:23:57 <bconoboy> and highbank/midway
20:24:00 <jonmasters> well, right
20:24:14 <pwhalen> I would like to see all of the above working as well. My concern is putting far too many resources into these boards for little return
20:24:32 <bconoboy> Yeah, so BBB I'm after because QA has them
20:24:44 <jonmasters> I prefer not to try to go any further. Constrain down to a small set of official ones
20:25:05 <pwhalen> very small, as we'll trip on it later
20:25:07 <bconoboy> pwhalen: If you could suggest some things other people can test so you don't have to that'd be good
20:25:33 <pwhalen> bconoboy, all our images can be tested using x86 in qemu
20:25:46 <ctyler> +1 onsmall list but we should aim for consistency between
20:26:02 <ctyler> releases
20:26:34 * ctyler on mobile keyboard
20:27:14 <bconoboy> pwhalen: pointer to beta criteria?
20:28:03 <pwhalen> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_20_Beta_Release_Criteria
20:28:45 <pwhalen> #info specific testcases
20:28:50 <pwhalen> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_20_Alpha_RC4_Desktop
20:29:08 <bconoboy> tnx
20:30:52 <pwhalen> any other challenges, goals we want to cover?
20:31:04 <bconoboy> sounds like passing criteria is pretty much it
20:31:12 <bconoboy> plus my pet bbb goal
20:32:07 <pwhalen> #topic 4) Open Floor
20:32:11 <ctyler> we should be thinking about wayland long term, since the tech preview is supposed to appear in f20
20:32:18 <pwhalen> #undo
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20:32:56 <pwhalen> I havent heard great things, but also havent been following closely.. has anyone looked at it?
20:33:45 <pwhalen> think there were issues on x86
20:33:53 <masta> maybe a question for Rob
20:33:55 <ctyler> would be cool if the preview worked on one arm platform, don't know how feasible that is
20:34:33 <ctyler> we're starting work on it in Pidora
20:34:56 <bconoboy> Are we back on topic 3?
20:34:58 <pwhalen> cool, Ill try and take a look as well.
20:35:11 <pwhalen> moving on now
20:35:13 <pwhalen> #topic 4) Open Floor
20:35:21 <bconoboy> ctyler: Hey, what's happening with pidora?
20:36:10 <ctyler> Pidora 19 early next month, P20 close to F20 date
20:36:49 <pwhalen> #info Pidora 19 expected early next month, P20 close to F20 date
20:36:51 <ctyler> Noobs 1.3 support just finished
20:36:52 <pwhalen> cool
20:37:43 <ctyler> (Noobs is multiboot/recovery/easy install)
20:38:32 <bconoboy> that's great
20:38:34 <ctyler> (eof)
20:39:01 <ctyler> Oh!
20:39:23 <ctyler> I have too many SBR600 students!
20:39:36 <ctyler> Need projects for them.
20:40:08 <ctyler> If you have simple things you just never have time to get around to,
20:40:23 <bconoboy> pwhalen: nudge nudge
20:40:36 <ctyler> let me know, maybe they'd make good projects.
20:40:37 <pwhalen> ctyler, helping with ARM QA?
20:40:46 <ctyler> Sure
20:40:50 <pwhalen> can think of a project..
20:41:04 <ahs3> port wayland to the chromebook...?
20:41:17 <bconoboy> ctyler: also aarch64 build failure fixes
20:41:27 <masta> I'm going to be spinning some new chromebook remixes soon. I'm debating between supporting advanced features like HYP mode for virtualization, but having broken wifi, or having working wifi, but no advanced features.
20:41:36 <hrw> ahs3: chromebook needs better kernel support
20:41:45 <ahs3> hrw: true :(
20:42:05 <ahs3> masta: +1 for working wifi
20:42:17 <hrw> masta: even 3.4 will not give you working wifi now. you need own systemd for firmware loading.
20:42:19 <masta> I'm also starting to poke at getting Fedora brought up on the Ouya and Nvidia shield
20:42:27 <masta> tegra3 boards
20:42:27 <hrw> masta: unless you added firmware loader into kernel
20:42:50 <hrw> masta: did any of those tegra3 run ~mainline?
20:43:22 <masta> ahs3, yeah... since I have to support them... Ii would rather not have an angry mob of people upset about non-working wifi
20:43:45 <kylem> masta, why don't we just fix wifi? ;-)
20:43:48 <ctyler> esp since no wired eth
20:43:58 <bconoboy> One other things for open floor...
20:44:04 <bconoboy> Masta has joined Red Hat's release engineering team.  We're glad to have him board!
20:44:08 <masta> hrw, not mainline for tegra3... old kernels
20:44:31 <ctyler> yay masta
20:44:32 <hrw> masta: I would say: ignore old kernel devices
20:44:32 <masta> bconoboy, =)
20:45:04 <hrw> masta: unless you have real need for them.
20:45:25 <hrw> masta: chroembook is cheapest and fastest solution for <300$
20:45:57 <masta> hrw, the only need is not a big deal, just want to have Fedora ambassadors put them on the table at tech conferences and display cool ARM devices to the masses
20:46:40 <bconoboy> Ahs3 reminds me that likewise, handsome_pirate joined the ranks a week or two ago
20:46:48 <bconoboy> I'm not sure what he's doing though
20:47:47 <ahs3> all your engineer are belong to us.
20:48:15 <masta> I think he's into the GSS group
20:48:55 <masta> I bumped into him this past Monday in the break room at the mothership
20:48:56 <bconoboy> Anyway, we're really pleased to have more fedora arm people inside rh
20:49:10 <ahs3> +1
20:49:31 <masta> thanks =)
20:50:14 <bconoboy> that was my only open floor topic
20:50:16 <pwhalen> anything else for today folks?
20:50:59 <hrw> anyone know is there a 3.4 kernel fork somewhere with in-kernel firmware loader already?
20:51:17 <bconoboy> hrw: Let's take that one back to #fedora-arm
20:51:20 <hrw> chromebook would not need systemd patched
20:51:22 <hrw> yep
20:51:34 <pwhalen> thanks for coming everyone!
20:51:37 <pwhalen> #endmeeting