16:38:24 #startmeeting 16:38:24 Meeting started Mon Jan 20 16:38:24 2014 UTC. The chair is dgilmore. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:38:24 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:38:30 #meetingname releng 16:38:30 The meeting name has been set to 'releng' 16:38:39 #topic whos here 16:38:46 hi guys 16:38:49 ack 16:38:49 Hi 16:39:00 * sharkcz here 16:39:07 I'm here, but as usual, monday mornings are a horrible time for me to try and be in a meeting. :) 16:39:52 #topic tickets 16:39:54 https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/report/10 16:40:05 there is no tickets for the meeting this week 16:40:18 is there any that people want to bring up? 16:40:21 I have https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5835 16:40:33 sharkcz: you need to add the meeting keyword 16:40:50 ah, yes, was going to ask 16:40:57 sharkcz: thats due to me accidently removing the f18 tags 16:41:02 i ran teh wrong command 16:41:10 koji shouldnt have let me do it 16:42:01 can we somehow sync the pkg list back to s390 and ppc? 16:42:31 its already been done 16:42:40 in primary? 16:42:57 no 16:43:03 on the secondaries 16:43:11 it was only the secondaries effected 16:43:55 but I still see no packages under f18 or f18-updates 16:44:23 ill look at it later 16:44:26 ok 16:44:42 I ran a manual sync of packages to f18 16:45:06 since the automated syncing was moved to f19 16:46:20 I have a question that might be of interest for everyone: Why don't we assign tickets in releng to persons? 16:46:47 tyll: we dont assign them to anyone because they dont have to be done by one person 16:47:12 as soon as you assign a ticket to a person they no longer go to the list 16:47:23 I may do the start of the ticket 16:47:34 but anyone else can finish it 16:47:54 assigning removes all visability to the ticket 16:48:01 hm, but this way there is also no indicaton about who is working on something 16:48:14 or which tickets are not worked on 16:48:22 we could actually fix that. 16:48:34 we could make it always bcc or cc the list on all tickets. 16:48:51 take https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5831 i setup the tags/target but when its done anyone can remove the target and move the builds into rawhide 16:49:33 tyll: I personally do not think most tickets need assigned 16:50:09 i dont see that assigning a ticket gives us anything. 16:50:12 dgilmore: I agree that tasks do not need to be assigned, but most of the open tickets are more like feature request or long-term changes 16:50:27 happy to change things if i can be convinced there is value in doing so 16:51:34 dgilmore: imho it might help for people to find a task to work on, because it is clear which are currently not worked on 16:54:59 tyll: how though. I realise you need to look at the ticket to see what if anythings been done on it today. In the past people took tickets and never followed up and finished things 16:55:13 there was a lot of tickets in limbo 16:55:33 not assigning means its more likely to be caught. at least thats my opionion 16:55:52 I know when a ticket had been assigned id not bothered to look at 16:56:20 I see, I will think about this 16:56:48 btw. there are some old tickets, that probably can be closed 16:56:57 i agree if its something specifc assigning can be a good thing 16:57:11 but most tickets really are not that way 16:57:24 probably 16:57:52 It might be true for most tickets that are opened but less for tickets that are still open 16:58:00 we need to do better at dealing with tickets 16:58:40 Shall we look at some tickets now as we did two weeks ago? 16:58:45 a lot of the open tickets dont really have a clear way to deal with them 16:58:49 sure 16:59:02 https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/report/1 16:59:06 is teh open tickets 16:59:16 https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5808 - seems to be done as far as I understand 17:01:00 yeah 17:01:06 i fogot to go and close it 17:01:13 but anyone could have done so 17:01:54 https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/1501 17:02:16 probably needs reassigned. but there is not a clear way to resolve it 17:03:19 * masta is here 17:03:47 sry, was heads-down in other things and in the zone... now I'm here 17:04:21 https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5362 needs analysis to see if it would break anything 17:05:22 https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5757 https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5761 are requests for f20 tags for gnome and kde - I assume the tickets can be closed as well 17:05:33 https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/3903 needs feedback from abadger1999 17:05:44 tyll: you cant assume taht 17:05:47 * abadger1999 clicks 17:06:25 tyll: we need to ping them, see if they are needed still. if not then remove the targets and tag builds into updates-pending 17:06:58 tyll: KDE tends to always have side tags/targets because it simplifies there constant version bumps 17:07:05 Ugh yeah -- 17:07:50 making the query that will do that is complex and I keep forgetting what I've already figured out before getting to the end of it. 17:07:55 dgilmore: I see 17:08:34 abadger1999: :( yeah. it looks messy 17:08:49 tyll: likely gnome can be cleaned up 17:09:08 rdieter: tends to manage the KDE side of things, he can do so himself 17:09:09 The email requirement is where it gets messy: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/3903#comment:10 17:09:20 though he doesnt always do so with a ticket 17:10:12 abadger1999: :( thats to notify that the owner has changed? 17:11:04 dgilmore: Yeah. The SQL to perform the actual change isn't nearly as hard as figuring out the list of people to notify. 17:11:27 and we want one email not 4 17:13:16 some of the git tickets could do with someone to take ownership over. 17:13:31 dgilmore: at least the builds in the f20-gnome tag seem to be already in f20/f20-updates-testing/f20-updates - so I guess nothing needs to be merged back, only the tag removed 17:13:46 there are some things people would like to do in git, that we should try to enable 17:14:09 we need to look at updating gitolite and generally be more active in its workings 17:15:01 tyll: they may have done so themselves and not updated the ticket to have the target removed. to close the ticket we need to ping them and remove the target then we can close the ticket 17:15:51 dgilmore: in the gnome ticket kalev wrote it can be removed 17:16:01 dgilmore: But I do not know how and do not find a SOP for it 17:16:53 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Adding_Side_Build_Targets_SOP i guess we should add something there 17:17:09 koji remove-target f20-gnome 17:19:59 dgilmore: does the tag need to be removed as well? 17:21:21 tyll: no 17:21:25 we do not remove tags 17:23:52 tyll: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Adding_Side_Build_Targets_SOP#cleanup 17:24:16 any other tickets people want to talk about? 17:24:44 dgilmore: thanks 17:25:07 dgilmore: about the repo md signing, is the problem that this would be a manual step after pushing? 17:25:25 tyll: yes 17:26:06 tyll: one the push was done and prepped, someone would need to sign the metadata then tigger the push to the mirrors 17:27:32 it could introduce an extended delay 17:27:36 dgilmore: ok 17:28:38 we really would need a good way to notify that the metadata is ready for signing 17:28:57 id not want to keep the creditnals stored in memory for the duration of the push 17:29:36 * nirik wishes we could get some developer time on sigul, to make it more flexable on signing. 17:29:59 sigul really needs a lot of work 17:30:10 everything needs a lot of work 17:30:37 * nirik nods. 17:30:38 dgilmore: it can be signed as soon as it appears 17:31:16 tyll: yes, but it appears hours after the push is started 17:31:30 usually about 3 or 4 hours later 17:31:41 actually after doing a few fedora updates pushes my wish is that bodhi would just store the list of updates we fetch the first time running the command and re-use that list after signing, so we don't have to dance around people adding new updates while we sign them 17:32:07 dwa: bodhi is full of bugs on the backend and clunky to work with 17:32:33 dwa: lmacken really dooesnt get enough time to work on it 17:33:18 dgilmore: what bugs are you speaking of? I'll try and prioritize them if you file/tell me about them 17:33:47 dwa: that sounds like a reasonable RFE that could be fixed pretty easily 17:34:08 lmacken: tagging issues when multiple builds go stable at once for instance 17:34:32 lmacken: bodhi really needs to be aware of signing processes 17:34:42 lmacken: I'll write up a bz for it :) 17:34:51 lmacken: queueing changes when a push is in progress 17:35:00 so you dont hit snags if a mash fails 17:35:02 dwa: thanks 17:35:09 things like builds going stable mid push 17:35:24 dgilmore: well, it should be tagging multiple builds for the same package in the same push in the correct order... 17:35:59 lmacken: there is a bunch of issues we hit regullary, and they have been happening for years so im kinda used to them but really need fixed 17:36:13 im sure they have all been reported at some point in time 17:36:29 lmacken: bodhi always tags them in the wrong order 17:36:49 the oldest build always ends up latest 17:36:59 dgilmore: the ordering issue should have been resolved a little while ago, but I would definitely appreciate bugs instead of just ignoring/complaining about them 17:36:59 at least it happens a lot 17:37:07 lmacken: its not been 17:37:54 lmacken: I know you have said a bunch of them are fixed in bodhi 2 17:37:58 well, I have cycles for bodhi now, so please put important issues on my radar. 17:38:35 okay 17:39:02 so we are over an hour now 17:39:07 anything else? 17:39:22 #topic followup from last week 17:39:59 * dgilmore wanted to follow up from last weeks discussion on moving the git processing into releng 17:41:39 i contacted the people in cvsadmin and the response was positive. limb, tibbs and peterson are now releng members and the script for proccesing the git queue along with its history has been merged into the releng git repo 17:42:09 limb will be attending meetings from next week 17:42:38 its one of those strange public holidays in the US today that only some people get off 17:42:45 eom 17:42:56 #topic open floor 17:43:11 does anyone have anything to bring up? 17:43:33 * dgilmore knows he needs ot get an agenda out for the meetings 17:44:20 if nothing ill close up in a minute 17:44:25 Nothing to discuss here. FWIW Fedora for Power updated koji/all of our build systems last week. 17:44:39 FYI I rebuilt the s390 builders last week 17:44:48 There were two annoncements for the meeting on the list at the same time 17:44:48 dwa: sharkcz: cool 17:44:58 popular time for maintenance :) 17:45:07 tyll: i dont know what fedocal did there 17:47:13 dgilmore: ah, ok, I thought maybe the lists address was added to the meeting twice 17:47:21 tyll: its supposed to send a reminder 12 hours before 17:48:05 ill have to file a bug about it sending it twice 17:48:35 lmacken: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1055663 17:48:45 (rfe) 17:49:01 okay, well if we have nothing else. 17:49:52 #endmeeting