14:34:27 <dgilmore-bne> #startmeeting RELENG (2014-10-13)
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14:34:46 <dgilmore-bne> #meetingname releng
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14:34:46 <dgilmore-bne> #chair dgilmore nirik tyll sharkcz bochecha masta pbrobinson
14:34:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: bochecha dgilmore dgilmore-bne masta nirik pbrobinson sharkcz tyll
14:34:47 <dgilmore-bne> #topic init process
14:34:58 <bochecha> hi there
14:35:00 * nirik is here, but still reading email barge.
14:37:42 <dgilmore-bne> lets see if anyone else turns up
14:37:58 * pbrobinson is here
14:40:50 <dgilmore-bne> okay we have 4
14:41:06 <dgilmore-bne> #topic Secondary Architectures updates
14:41:11 <dgilmore-bne> #topic Secondary Architectures update - ppc
14:42:27 <pbrobinson> so RC1 went out last week
14:42:57 <dgilmore-bne> hows the testing?
14:42:59 <pbrobinson> awaiting feedback, we need another RC with some anaconda related fixes I believe but other than that over all it's positive
14:43:11 <dgilmore-bne> awesone
14:43:18 <dgilmore-bne> awesome
14:44:13 <pbrobinson> so hopefully we'll have Alpha out soon and we can move on to beta
14:44:30 <pbrobinson> EOF
14:45:25 <dgilmore-bne> cool
14:48:41 <dgilmore-bne> #topic Secondary Architectures update - s390
14:49:03 <dgilmore-bne> any sign of sharckcz today?
14:49:08 <pbrobinson> he's been about
14:49:23 <dgilmore-bne> network here i being crapp
14:49:33 <pbrobinson> I kicked off a s390 signing rung yesterday morning. Currently at 13727/66544
14:49:47 <pbrobinson> for f-21 tag
14:49:58 <dgilmore-bne> okay
14:50:01 <dgilmore-bne> thanks
14:50:25 <dgilmore-bne> #topic Secondary Architectures update - arm
14:50:27 <pbrobinson> while i know he's only aiming for beta I figured it was worth catching up as it's likely 4-5 days
14:50:44 <pbrobinson> similar to PPC Alpha RC1 went out yesterday
14:50:53 <dgilmore-bne> pbrobinson: yeah, its going to take awhile
14:51:09 <pbrobinson> only one report of issue and that's for updating the efi boot records
14:51:49 <pbrobinson> but it's only if it's not a clean install I believe and there's a manual work around
14:52:37 <pbrobinson> other than that aarch64 is looking pretty good
14:52:59 <dgilmore-bne> pbrobinson: [B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B
14:53:04 <dgilmore-bne> gahh
14:53:06 <pbrobinson> :)
14:53:18 <pbrobinson> what time is it in bne?
14:53:29 <dgilmore-bne> pbrobinson: thats odd, last i did a install the efi vars was nit clean and it all was updated fine
14:53:36 <dgilmore-bne> nearly 1am
14:54:02 <pbrobinson> yea, so at the moment I don't believe it's a blocker to get RC out as it appears to be fairly corner case
14:54:38 <pbrobinson> so I think if nothing else comes up we'll call Alpha gold and move on to beta
14:55:00 <dgilmore-bne> it doesnt sound like an alpha blocker, might want to double check with qa
14:55:34 <pbrobinson> there's a manual work around too
14:56:51 <dgilmore-bne> yeah, I think it should be okay
14:57:49 <pbrobinson> ultimately we'll be straight into beta TCs
14:58:11 <pbrobinson> dgilmore-bne: you might need to send an email out about that time change
14:58:30 <dgilmore-bne> pbrobinson: yeah. we discussed it in the meeting
14:58:43 <dgilmore-bne> i should have changed fedocal
14:58:59 <dgilmore-bne> #topic #5931 [Proposal] Move new branch and unretire requests to pkgdb2
14:59:10 <pbrobinson> dgilmore-bne: I remember, I thought it was actually moved forward 2 hours
14:59:20 <dgilmore-bne> https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5931
14:59:35 <dgilmore-bne> pbrobinson: i suggested 2 it seemed 1 worked better for others
15:01:08 <dgilmore-bne> pingou: so the updates in the ticket look okay
15:01:48 * pingou here
15:02:22 <pingou> dgilmore-bne: if you have more checks you want to see automated, let me know
15:02:45 <pingou> and then, there is the question about new epel branch: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/rel-eng/2014-October/018554.html
15:03:51 <pingou> once we decide on this, the remaining question is: when do we want to it to land ?
15:03:54 <dgilmore-bne> pingou: epel is a special beast
15:04:00 <pingou> clearly is :)
15:06:14 <dgilmore-bne> pingou: so el7 has acls coppied from el6 if the exist but git from f19 if it exists
15:07:03 <dgilmore-bne> pingou: el6 we used to copy acls from el5 and branch from f12 if it exists
15:07:22 <dgilmore-bne> but as the fedora release goes eol its much less relevant
15:08:05 <dgilmore-bne> pingou: we need to make sure a epel package is not in rhel unless its not on all arches
15:08:42 <dgilmore-bne> there is also the case where some maintainers choose not to look after epel and are okay with others doing so
15:08:44 <pingou> dgilmore-bne: what about checking if it's in CentOS for that ?
15:08:58 <dgilmore-bne> pingou: its not enough
15:09:13 <dgilmore-bne> pingou: centos is x86_64 only
15:09:46 <pingou> ok
15:09:58 <pingou> I was actually under the impression that we have no way of checking if something is in RHEL automatically
15:10:39 <dgilmore-bne> we would have to write something
15:11:03 <pingou> I can write it, but I don't know where to look for the info
15:11:13 <dgilmore-bne> we have rhel mirrored for epel arches
15:11:26 <dgilmore-bne> we would need to write something to grab the metadata
15:11:30 <pingou> publicly accessible?
15:11:33 <dgilmore-bne> no
15:11:35 <pingou> k
15:11:39 <dgilmore-bne> internal in phx2
15:12:02 <pingou> I can query yum's metadata sure
15:12:53 <pingou> dgilmore-bne: let's figure this out by email later
15:14:17 <dgilmore-bne> okay
15:14:39 <pingou> so is left the question about the epel branches
15:15:05 <pingou> how do we create them?
15:16:40 <dgilmore-bne> i think from the fedora they rhel branched form
15:16:42 <dgilmore-bne> from
15:16:54 <dgilmore-bne> if it doesnt exist master
15:17:28 <pingou> hard-coded ?
15:17:41 <sharkcz> what about allowing the maintainer to specify it in the SCM request?
15:17:44 <pingou> epel7 == f19 (w/ fallback to master) ?
15:17:53 <sharkcz> with some defaults
15:18:09 <pingou> sharkcz: that was my idea at first, but I can't get the info from pkgdb to the script running from a fedmsg
15:18:11 <dgilmore-bne> sharkcz: a valid option
15:18:45 <pingou> that's where tyll 's idea to just create the new branch and point it to the first commit ever in the repo came in
15:18:49 * nirik doesn't much care. I often have to sync to master.
15:18:49 <pingou> which is also fine
15:20:54 <dgilmore-bne> im not too fazed
15:20:54 * sharkcz agrees
15:21:05 <dgilmore-bne> as long as maintainers can easily do what they want
15:21:06 <sharkcz> with tyll's idea
15:21:30 * pingou searches `fazed` in a australian -> us dic
15:22:11 <pingou> ok, so let's try tyll 's idea and let see how that turns out :)
15:22:28 <nirik> sure, +1
15:22:53 <dgilmore-bne> lets look into it
15:23:01 <pingou> so once this fix is in, we should be all set infra-wise
15:23:15 <dgilmore-bne> we have 10 minutes more. I really want to sleep
15:23:24 <pingou> ETA: F21 release?
15:23:47 <pingou> nirik: should we be bold and try to land this at the same time we land pkgs01 on el7 with gitolite3?
15:23:55 <nirik> ha.
15:24:08 <nirik> well, I'd say after f21 in any case, but doesn't need to be the exact same time
15:24:20 <pingou> (although we could likely land the fedmsg-based branch handling before)
15:25:22 <nirik> I think we want to wait until after f21... don't want to cause much disruption...
15:25:42 <pingou> sure, wfm :)
15:26:24 <dgilmore-bne> really dont want to break anything
15:27:37 <dgilmore-bne> anything else?
15:28:02 <pingou> just if you think of other checks you would like to run automatically :)
15:28:18 <pingou> otherwise, I'm good to go :)
15:28:25 <dgilmore-bne> okay will think about what we can automate
15:28:34 <dgilmore-bne> #topic open floor
15:28:42 <dgilmore-bne> i have one thing
15:28:49 <pbabinca> What about https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6016 ? May I proceed or do you need more info about that?
15:28:58 <dgilmore-bne> does someone want to run next weeks meeting?
15:28:58 * pbabinca is here obviously
15:29:30 <dgilmore-bne> I have to be at the airport early Tuesday, to catch my flight to FUDCon LATAM
15:29:56 <dgilmore-bne> pbabinca: we are out of timev:(
15:30:14 <nirik> I guess I could run the meeting next week...
15:30:15 <pbabinca> dgilmore-bne, np. That isn't really a problem
15:31:09 <dgilmore-bne> pbabinca: lets see about coming up with a plan
15:31:33 <dgilmore-bne> nirik: thanks https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/Meeting_Process
15:31:43 <dgilmore-bne> we switched up secondaries this week
15:31:54 <nirik> ok. Will try and do so...
15:32:03 <dgilmore-bne> anyone have anything else?
15:32:41 <pbrobinson> not from me
15:33:57 <dgilmore-bne> #endmeeting