15:01:34 #startmeeting Server Working Group Weekly Meeting (2014-10-21) 15:01:34 Meeting started Tue Oct 28 15:01:34 2014 UTC. The chair is sgallagh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:34 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:01:34 #chair sgallagh mizmo nirik davidstrauss stefw adamw simo tuanta mitr 15:01:34 #topic roll call 15:01:34 Current chairs: adamw davidstrauss mitr mizmo nirik sgallagh simo stefw tuanta 15:01:42 .hello kevin 15:01:43 nirik: kevin 'Kevin Fenzi' 15:02:00 .hello sgallagh 15:02:01 sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' 15:02:02 .hello adamwill 15:02:05 adamw: adamwill 'Adam Williamson' 15:03:30 ... anyone else? 15:03:31 .hello stefw 15:03:32 stefw: stefw 'Stef Walter' 15:03:35 * junland here 15:04:05 .hello andreasn 15:04:06 .hello 15:04:06 simo: (hello ) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1". 15:04:09 andreasn: andreasn 'Andreas Nilsson' 15:04:12 .hello simo 15:04:14 simo: simo 'Simo Sorce' 15:04:17 uff 15:04:20 .hello dmossor 15:04:21 danofsatx: dmossor 'Dan Mossor' 15:04:22 junland: junland 'John Unland' 15:05:00 OK 15:05:07 #topic Agenda 15:05:11 #info Agenda Item: Beta RC Validation Testing 15:05:15 #info Agenda Item: Test Day Planning 15:05:25 Any other important agenda topics this week? 15:06:25 *crickets* 15:06:27 .hello tuanta 15:06:29 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 15:06:30 OK 15:06:38 #topic Beta RC Validation Testing 15:06:39 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/server/2014-October/001536.html 15:06:59 .hello junland 15:07:00 junland: junland 'John Unland' 15:07:20 If you haven't seen it yet, I've put out a call to the Server SIG to assist QA in the RC2 validation that will HOPEFULLY be available within the next 10 hours. 15:07:41 (And by "hopefully", I mean that adamw and I are cracking skulls to get this done) 15:07:42 fingers crossed. 15:07:52 all other things being equal we *should* be good from server side, sgallagh has tested with the latest fixes i believe (thanks) 15:08:15 is there further validation after RC2 ? 15:08:44 simo: Hopefully not; we want RC2 to be the actual Beta 15:08:57 I ask because I know about bugs in FreeIPA 4.1, which we *should* get fixed for GA 15:09:02 but .. 15:09:03 But we need to get the RC2 out ASAP so that if we find a showstopper, we can fix it before Go/No-Go 15:09:16 validation stops once we have a release that passes all the tests... 15:09:16 simo: We're only talking about Beta validation right now 15:09:23 Final will have a separate validation cycle 15:09:37 sgallagh: ok so there is further validation, fine with that 15:10:42 Go/No-Go is on the 11/10/14? 15:11:13 junland: Go/No-Go is 47 hours and 50 minutes from now 15:11:21 Roger. 15:12:02 So I need volunteers. adamw is overseeing the wider F21 validation and I can only cover so much. 15:12:05 * adamw imagines sgallagh's lair, with giant countdown clock and white cat. 15:12:19 adamw: Don't be ridiculous. The cat is black. 15:12:29 hehe 15:12:58 * junland Can't do tests because of the load of homework / Open Source Presentations this week. 15:13:16 nirik: Given that you have access to some ARM devices, I was hoping you might be able to split some of the load with pwhalen 15:13:41 I can try... I have a beagleboneblack here at home and we have highbank stuff in phx2. 15:13:52 Thank you 15:14:12 #action nirik and pwhalen to perform ARM validation 15:14:22 Does it work on RPi? 15:14:28 #action sgallagh to handle Active Directory-related validation 15:14:31 I have one laying around in my drawer? 15:14:40 junland: how much ram ? 15:14:40 I'll do my best - my Openstack cluster is *almost* ready to receive guest OS's 15:14:46 junland: No, there's a downstream Remix for RPi (Pidora) 15:14:54 It's a Model B 256 15:14:56 ah Rasp 15:14:58 It needs non-upstreamed kernel patches 15:15:00 Got it. 15:15:24 it's also an arch we don't support. 15:15:25 danofsatx: Can you commit to covering some specific areas? 15:15:31 Right, that too 15:15:40 uhm, yes. 15:15:48 danofsatx: Cockpit and firewall, perhaps? :) 15:16:19 sure. that's easy. 15:16:41 #action danofsatx to validate Cockpit and firewall test cases. 15:16:42 * danofsatx looks around to see if he saved any hardware for F21 testing 15:17:13 danofsatx: The cockpit tests includes joining a FreeIPA or AD domain, so you may want to also do the role deployment one. 15:17:36 awesome, I've got a non-efi optiplex 755, and an efi optiplex 3010 sitting under my desk right now ;) 15:17:40 simo: Would you have time to handle some or all of the FreeIPA-based tests (including realmd enrollment)? 15:17:53 roger, I hope to have my domain up by the end of today anyhow. 15:17:58 ok 15:18:42 for anyone who hates editing wiki pages to enter results but loves 1980s-style 'please select a number' TUIs, relval - https://www.happyassassin.net/wikitcms/ - might be useful for report submission. 15:19:11 #link https://www.happyassassin.net/wikitcms/ 15:19:27 #info For anyone who hates editing wiki pages to enter results but loves 1980s-style 'please select a number' TUIs, try relval 15:20:22 OK, I think that brings us to full coverage. Naturally, if you discover some spare time, please go ahead and test some of the others too 15:20:33 Getting more than one set of results is a good thing 15:20:44 right, multiple results for one test are OK and indeed encouraged 15:21:06 * junland will try to fit something in...But can't guarantee it. 15:21:09 #info Anyone who wants to test should do so. Do not feel limited to your committed tests either. 15:21:23 junland: Understood. We appreciate anything you can do 15:21:24 thanks a lot for helping, folks. the announcement will be sent to server list when the compose is done, it will live at https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/21_Beta_RC2/Server 15:21:38 #link https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/21_Beta_RC2/Server 15:21:42 spallagh: Thank, just doing my part :) 15:21:47 Thanks* 15:22:12 OK, did I miss anything? 15:22:46 #info Disregard the Database Role test, as that was always a "nice-to-have" and it didn't get implemented. 15:22:58 It is not release-blocking 15:23:12 i put it in the matrix as it at least seemed to exist in the rolekit package 15:23:17 i didn't try it 15:23:27 Yeah, there's a skeleton for it, but it's nonfunctional. 15:23:40 I thought we purged it from the Fedora builds, but we must have forgotten. 15:23:42 I'll do that before Fina 15:23:46 *Final 15:24:01 #action sgallagh to make sure that non-functional Roles don't show up in rolekit for Final. 15:24:32 sgallagh: I am in a pinch today 15:24:42 simo: Hmm? 15:24:46 ok, i can drop it from the matrix if it's known broken. 15:24:47 (working on a security fix) 15:24:55 adamw: Please do, thank you 15:25:20 sgallagh: are FreeIPA-based tests due today ? 15:25:20 simo: The compose will take about 8 hours from when it starts. So most likely, validation will be tomorrow. 15:25:26 ah ok 15:25:31 then I might be able to 15:25:56 sgallagh: if you ping me tomorrow when you start I can work side by side on #fedora-server 15:25:58 Thank you. If you can't, please let me know by tomorrow morning and I'll make arrangements 15:26:35 #action simo to try to handle the FreeIPA-based validation. May have a conflict. 15:27:14 OK, let's move on to the Test Day 15:27:19 #topic Test Day Planning 15:27:24 * junland is ready 15:27:45 sgallagh, i imagine the Test Day is only to find blockers given that it's pretty late? 15:28:18 stefw: Well, finding blockers would be great, but there's still value in getting testing and feature requests. 15:28:19 sgallagh: today is 28th btw (all the topics use 21 in the date) 15:28:23 We don't have to FIX them for Final 15:28:35 stefw: test days are generally pretty open. there is still a period between beta and final freeze when non-blocker/FE changes can be landed, and of course there are post-release updates. 15:28:37 ah, crud. I forgot to change that when I copied the template from last week 15:28:55 makes sense 15:29:42 I'm thinking that junland's suggestion of starting with the Validation tests and then moving on to free-form playing around trying to break it might be sensible. 15:29:50 * nirik nods 15:30:06 Yes, let's just copy the TC's and they it's free-for all for everyone. 15:30:28 Let's not kill ourselves over this. 15:30:34 * sgallagh nods 15:30:56 adamw: Do we have anything in particular that we're going to add to Final validation that isn't in Beta? 15:31:05 We should probably discuss that prior to the Test Day 15:31:30 Now about the ticket issue. Does someone have admin privileges to get a QA ticket? 15:31:31 that would be good. 15:31:35 junland: we already have a large set of realmd and freeipa test cases available to refer to, btw. 15:31:55 junland: eh? where do you need admin privileges? 15:31:57 adamw: Mind linking them for the meeting notes? 15:32:00 adamw, could you provide links? 15:32:14 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:FreeIPA_Test_Cases and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Realmd_Test_Cases 15:32:15 adamw: He reported that he was denied creating a ticket for lack of the CREATE_TICKET privilege 15:32:25 they're from older freeipa and realmd test days 15:32:26 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:FreeIPA_Test_Cases 15:32:26 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Realmd_Test_Cases 15:32:27 * junland nods 15:32:31 where? QA trac? 15:32:34 were you logged in? 15:32:41 Yes I was. 15:33:07 * junland tries to find link. 15:33:29 make double sure you are logged in before trying to create the ticket. 15:33:31 are you sure? 15:33:44 trac permissions has TICKET_CREATE set to 'authenticated'. 15:33:50 sgallagh: we should test with freeipa 4.0.4, right ? 15:33:53 i.e., any signed-in user should be able to create a ticket. 15:34:16 simo: 4.0.3 is what's in stable. However, rolekit will automatically pull from updates-testing by default. 15:34:27 Okay, well I'll try again later today.... 15:34:27 you can disable updates-testing before running tests' 15:34:33 For validation, I noted how to disable updates-testing 15:34:33 we're still kind of feeling out the logic of that 15:34:36 In the testcase 15:34:46 sgallagh: we do not want 4.1 it has serious stability issues 15:34:50 4.0.3 will do 15:34:52 ok 15:34:53 things get a bit fuzzy when we have validation tests that inherently pull from repos 15:35:00 * sgallagh nods 15:35:09 however those 29 tests will take days, not just tomorrow 15:35:12 #info Test with stable packages where possible, please 15:35:14 I think we'll have to skip some 15:35:28 simo: The test cases above aren't part of validation 15:35:34 Those are proposed for the Test Day 15:35:38 ah 15:35:42 Different level of urgency :) 15:36:02 Only the ones at https://www.happyassassin.net/testcase_stats/21/Server.html are blockers 15:36:07 do we have a checklist for validation ? sorry f I missed it earlier 15:36:20 ok 15:36:21 simo: One line above :) 15:36:51 Also would we like to get have Test Day's running all next week? 15:37:22 No, we want a single coordinated event, IMHO 15:37:32 It's best if we know when we need to be around to answer questions and help 15:37:59 * junland was able to login. 15:38:06 Okay I'm in. 15:38:27 So what day would that be so I can create a ticket? 15:39:07 Is Nov 7 still open? 15:39:15 For me yes. 15:39:49 Don't know about anyone else. 15:39:57 junland: I mean, is there an available slot 15:40:03 https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/QA/?subject=Test+Day 15:40:39 should be. 15:40:47 roshi's been mainly looking after test days this cycle, though. 15:40:52 Yup it's open. 15:41:08 I can attend. 15:41:26 Same here. It's on a Friday so no classes. 15:42:38 I can attend. 15:42:39 Does anyone have a real problem with that date? 15:43:13 I'm guessing everyone is checking there calendars? 15:43:25 I don't immidiately see a problem with Nov 7th 15:43:46 OK, let's assume it works for now 15:43:49 * nirik has no issues with it off hand either. 15:44:00 #info Fedora Server Test Day on November 7, 2014 15:44:08 yay 15:44:10 #action junland to set it up 15:44:12 I can go ahead and make a ticket later today. Then start making a wiki page. 15:44:19 junland: Thank you 15:44:32 spallagh: No problem. 15:44:50 #topic Open Floor 15:45:06 Anything for Open Floor? 15:46:21 OK, I'll set the fuse for 120s 15:47:45 just wanted to note that Openstack Juno is not recommended for F21 at this time. 15:47:58 as a host, anyhow.... 15:48:24 Noted 15:48:36 OK, thanks for coming, everyone 15:48:42 #endmeeting