15:01:31 <sgallagh> #startmeeting Server SIG Weekly Meeting (2015-03-31)
15:01:32 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Mar 31 15:01:31 2015 UTC.  The chair is sgallagh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
15:01:32 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
15:01:32 <sgallagh> #chair sgallagh mizmo nirik stefw adamw simo tuanta mitr danofsatx
15:01:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw danofsatx mitr mizmo nirik sgallagh simo stefw tuanta
15:01:32 <sgallagh> #topic roll call
15:01:52 * nirik is here but also in a phone meeting
15:04:08 <sgallagh> .hello sgallagh
15:04:09 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com>
15:04:14 <sgallagh> Anyone else here?
15:04:17 <simo> .hello simo
15:04:19 <zodbot> simo: simo 'Simo Sorce' <ssorce@redhat.com>
15:04:26 <mizmo> .hello duffy
15:04:27 <zodbot> mizmo: duffy 'Máirín Duffy' <fedora@linuxgrrl.com>
15:05:42 <junland> .hello junland
15:05:43 <zodbot> junland: junland 'John Unland' <opensourcejohn2112@gmail.com>
15:05:44 <sgallagh> small crowd today
15:05:56 <junland> Sorry was doing some pushs to github
15:06:06 <junland> and sitting in networking class
15:06:56 <sgallagh> ok, so let's get started.
15:07:02 <sgallagh> #topic Agenda
15:07:02 <sgallagh> #info Agenda Item: F22 Beta Freeze
15:07:02 <sgallagh> #info Agenda Item: Rolekit Testing
15:07:15 <sgallagh> Other pressing agenda items?
15:07:21 <junland> Nope.
15:08:05 <sgallagh> #topic F22 Beta Freeze
15:08:18 <sgallagh> So, Fedora 22 is now in Beta Freeze (shocking, I know)
15:08:56 <sgallagh> Unfortunately, the TC6 that arrived this morning did not have content from the latest stable push (including Cockpit), so we'll probably wait to do a full validation until TC7/RC1 hits.
15:09:11 * nirik nods
15:09:23 <junland> mhm
15:10:53 <sgallagh> We also don't have the updated pwpolicy changes yet
15:11:36 <nirik> and the yum update that pulls in dnf-yum broke things.
15:11:39 <sgallagh> However the defaults are going to change for the next anaconda build to include the double-click option.
15:11:48 <junland> Do we have any documentation about the pwpolicy?
15:11:55 <sgallagh> Right, so it's effectively DoA
15:11:56 <junland> well old policy
15:12:21 <sgallagh> junland: Not really, no.
15:13:09 <junland> What problems were we having with the pwpolicy?
15:13:18 <sgallagh> So in general, I'd call our Beta Freeze situation "yellow"
15:13:42 <sgallagh> junland: Mind if we discuss that outside the meeting? It's a long topic.
15:13:47 <mizmo> junland, drama drama
15:13:51 <junland> Yes. :)
15:14:40 <sgallagh> #info TC6 is lacking content from the last stable updates push
15:14:53 <sgallagh> #info TC6 does not include the pwpolicy changes yet
15:15:16 <sgallagh> #info The addition of dnf-yum was broken on TC6
15:15:21 <sgallagh> Other topics
15:16:36 <sgallagh> Anyone else aware of stuff worth monitoring for Beta?
15:16:58 <sgallagh> I have some rolekit stuff, but I've got a separate agenda item about that
15:17:14 * mizmo got nuttin'
15:18:00 * junland got nuttin' either
15:18:23 <sgallagh> #topic Rolekit Testing
15:18:37 <sgallagh> I sent out an email with a test plan for the latest rolekit with DB role support
15:19:08 <sgallagh> I got a little testing from stefw last night, which stumbled across a fairly serious bug that I'm going to have a fix for in a couple hours.
15:19:42 <sgallagh> (Basically, there's a flaw in the multiple instance support where if you make a mistake deploying the first instance, none of the others will work until you decommission all instances and start over)
15:20:37 <sgallagh> However, I still need some people to test the DB role support (as well as the multiple instance support)
15:21:03 <sgallagh> This is one of our more prominent features for Fedora 22 and it really needs to be in the Beta relese.
15:21:04 <junland> I can spare some time later tonight to run a test case
15:21:39 <sgallagh> #info Testing help needed on rolekit, test plan at https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/server/2015-March/001795.html
15:22:08 <sgallagh> #info rolekit test examples at https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/server/2015-March/001797.html
15:22:31 <junland> Do we have a TC table for the DB role?
15:22:32 <sgallagh> junland: Thanks. I should have an updated build to fix the first-instance bug within two hours.
15:22:42 <junland> Got it.
15:22:44 <sgallagh> adamw: ^^
15:23:01 <sgallagh> adamw was going to put one together, I don't know if he has yet.
15:23:18 <junland> Alright.
15:23:31 <sgallagh> adamw: Please feel free to crib from the above emails as well
15:23:53 <sgallagh> OK, I don't think I have anything else on this topic, unless there are further questions.
15:24:37 <junland> Nope.
15:24:52 <sgallagh> #topic Open Floor
15:25:21 <sgallagh> mizmo: one thing that just occurred to me: Are we planning to do any revisions on the getfedora.org brochure site this time around?
15:25:33 <sgallagh> I figure if we are, we should start coordinating it ASAP
15:26:12 <Corey84> .fas Corey84
15:26:12 <zodbot> Corey84: corey84 'Corey84' <sheldon.corey@gmail.com>
15:26:37 <mizmo> sgallagh, we can as the wgs request it but nobody has yet
15:27:14 <junland> I think it would be good to highlight the DB role and other features.
15:27:15 <sgallagh> mizmo: I guess what I mean is whether we want to be updating screenshots/testimonials or anything like that.
15:28:37 <mizmo> besides the DB role what else do we think is worth adding?
15:28:51 <junland> Rolekit or Cockpit?
15:28:55 <sgallagh> mizmo: We almost certainly need to refresh the Cockpit screens
15:29:00 <sgallagh> It looks very different in F22
15:29:08 <mizmo> ah okay
15:29:10 * mizmo starts a list
15:29:15 <sgallagh> #topic getfedora.org updates
15:29:28 <sgallagh> mizmo: Mind adding the list as #info while we go?
15:29:45 <mizmo> not at all
15:29:49 <mizmo> #info highlight DB role
15:29:56 <mizmo> #info update cockpit screenshots
15:30:06 <mizmo> any role kit updates worth capturing?
15:30:18 <sgallagh> The DB role is the major piece.
15:30:43 <sgallagh> mizmo: Do we want to consider making another attempt at a rolekit logo this time?
15:31:23 <mizmo> sgallagh, i dont think any of the other -kits have a logo unless they have a gui component (the only one i can think of is package kit)
15:32:00 <sgallagh> mizmo: I was thinking of something to add a visualization to the brochure page, since it's kind of abstract.
15:32:18 <sgallagh> But I will defer to your expertise on the matter :)
15:32:20 <mizmo> kk
15:32:25 <mizmo> #info consider rolekit visualization
15:33:07 <sgallagh> Since people have actually been using F21 for a while, shall we solicit some new quotes?
15:33:19 <mizmo> sounds good to me
15:33:23 * junland agrees
15:33:23 <mizmo> #info solicit new quotes for server page
15:34:30 <mizmo> anybody around want to provide a new quote? :)?
15:34:50 <junland> I can if no one else will...
15:34:53 <junland> :)
15:34:58 <simo> "I use fedora because I am an old fart"
15:35:00 * simo runs
15:35:01 <sgallagh> mizmo: I'd like to get andreasn from the Cockpit team to quote on the Domain Controller role, since he had an excellent experience with it
15:35:04 <junland> haha
15:35:05 <sgallagh> (Compared to rolling his own)
15:35:28 <mizmo> #info quote: andreasn from the Cockpit team to quote on the Domain Controller role, since he had an excellent experience with it
15:35:39 <nirik> cool.
15:36:34 <sgallagh> OK, other ideas? That's certainly enough to get started with.
15:36:51 <junland> Not that I can think of.
15:38:23 <sgallagh> mizmo: Good?
15:38:56 <mizmo> sounds good to me, i will shout if i need help
15:39:37 <sgallagh> Thanks!
15:39:44 <sgallagh> #topic Open Floor (take two)
15:39:49 <sgallagh> Anything else for Open Floor?
15:40:48 <junland> Nope.
15:41:19 <sgallagh> OK, setting the fuse for 120s then.
15:42:15 <sgallagh> simo: sidebar: to translate your quote into marketing-speak: "I use Fedora because of its long history of reliability." ;-)
15:42:45 <simo> sgallagh: mine had a punch that is kinda lost here :)
15:43:24 <sgallagh> OK, thanks for coming!
15:43:28 <sgallagh> #endmeeting