17:00:10 <roshi> #startmeeting Cloud WG
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17:00:19 <roshi> #meetingname Cloud WG
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17:00:29 <roshi> #topic Roll Call
17:00:32 <roshi> who's around?
17:00:34 <roshi> .hello roshi
17:00:35 <zodbot> roshi: roshi 'Mike Ruckman' <mruckman@redhat.com>
17:00:37 <sayan> .hello sayan
17:00:38 <zodbot> sayan: sayan 'Sayan Chowdhury' <wrc123peter@yahoo.co.in>
17:00:45 <nzwulfin> .hello mmicene
17:00:46 <zodbot> nzwulfin: mmicene 'Matt Micene' <nzwulfin@gmail.com>
17:00:48 <adimania> .hello adimania
17:00:49 <zodbot> adimania: adimania 'Aditya Patawari' <adimania@gmail.com>
17:00:53 <jbrooks> .hello jasonbrooks
17:00:54 <zodbot> jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' <JBROOKS@REDHAT.COM>
17:00:55 <rtnpro> .fas rtnpro
17:01:00 <zodbot> rtnpro: rtnpro 'Ratnadeep Debnath' <rtnpro@gmail.com>
17:01:08 <roshi> goto turnout today :)
17:01:19 <dustymabe> .hellomynameis dustymabe
17:01:20 <zodbot> dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' <dusty@dustymabe.com>
17:01:39 <roshi> s/goto/good/
17:01:43 * roshi can type
17:01:59 <jzb> .hellomynameis jzb
17:02:00 <zodbot> jzb: jzb 'Joe Brockmeier' <jzb@redhat.com>
17:02:35 <jzb> .hello jzb
17:02:36 <zodbot> jzb: jzb 'Joe Brockmeier' <jzb@redhat.com>
17:03:04 <roshi> just because you .hello twice doesn't mean you get two votes, jzb
17:03:07 <jzb> hrm
17:03:08 <jzb> brb
17:03:30 <jzb> did my "hello" come through?
17:03:34 <roshi> yeah
17:03:36 <adimania> yes
17:03:36 <jzb> having some irc client weirdness
17:03:46 <roshi> shoulda used irssi :p
17:03:58 <roshi> #topic Previous meeting followup
17:04:15 <jzb> roshi: I am
17:04:16 <adimania> roshi also clarified that you would get only one vote irrespective of number of hellos. :D
17:04:18 <roshi> there were no action items last week - but does anyone have anything they wanted to touch on from last time?
17:04:19 <jzb> roshi: :-P
17:04:35 <adimania> we discussed a bit on ticket 84.
17:04:55 <adimania> and I managed to write a shell script to run basic build test.
17:05:11 <adimania> it would be nice if someone can have a look at that.
17:05:14 <jzb> adimania: why is mesos listed 2x?
17:05:30 <roshi> ah, nice script
17:05:33 <jzb> I'm not sure firefox + libvirt are "serious" use cases for Docker (though interesting)
17:05:39 * roshi will take a look
17:05:49 <adimania> that is because mesos has two dockerfiles.
17:05:55 <adimania> one for master and one for slave.
17:06:08 <jzb> adimania: should we change the name of at least one of them so that's clear?
17:06:11 <roshi> pretty much my only personal use case for docker containers is desktop apps - like Chrome (so I can control it's memory usage easily)
17:06:26 <adimania> jzb, I would do that.
17:06:33 * jsmith is here (a bit late)
17:06:36 <rtnpro> roshi, +1
17:06:37 <roshi> thanks for working on it adimania
17:07:26 <adimania> roshi, no problem. I am just happy that the dockerfiles I wrote in the repo are built fine. :D
17:08:21 <roshi> :)
17:08:31 <roshi> anything else from last week?
17:08:34 * roshi has nothing
17:08:41 <jzb> roshi: Can we discuss the Atomic proposal
17:08:42 <jzb> ?
17:08:57 <jzb> roshi: I have a meeting in ... 22 minutes with some folks wondering what's up with that and if we need to make Website plans :-)
17:09:02 <roshi> sure thing - that and tomorrow's test day were the two I was going to do first
17:09:13 <jzb> roshi: we have a test day tomorrow?
17:09:17 <roshi> #topic Current Atomic proposal
17:09:23 <roshi> yep, been scheduled for a while
17:09:30 <roshi> dusty and I will be getting things around today
17:09:37 <jzb> so - I *hope* everybody in the channel/in this meeting has read the proposal
17:09:47 <dustymabe> jzb: the email you sent?
17:09:50 <roshi> jzb: got a link for the minutes?
17:09:51 <jzb> dustymabe: yeah
17:10:28 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion
17:10:29 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' <maxamillion@gmail.com>
17:10:32 <jzb> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2015-August/005660.html
17:10:36 <maxamillion> (sorry I'm late, in multiple meetings)
17:11:00 <jzb> I feel like we are in agreement, but I'd like to get consensus + start moving forward.
17:11:05 <dustymabe> maxamillion: welcome. we were just about to start talking about jzb proposal to make atomic the focus of the Cloud WG
17:11:39 <roshi> I hold by what I said at Flock - I'll back whatever the WG wants to do
17:11:52 <roshi> but we need to also nail down who's going to be chasing what to make sure things happen
17:11:52 <dustymabe> jzb: if I can I'd like to restate
17:12:00 <dustymabe> just to make sure I am clear
17:12:18 <dustymabe> 1. The new primary focus of the WG will be the atomic cloud image
17:12:20 <maxamillion> oh crazy
17:12:38 <tflink> some of the language in that thread concerns me a bit (as an outsider) - is the vision that all cloud users would eventually move over to atomic?
17:12:41 <maxamillion> I think it's a really cool idea but I also think it's going to catch a lot of people off gaurd who aren't necessarily paying attention
17:12:42 <dustymabe> 2. The cloud base image will remain and at least for now will be intentionally boring
17:12:53 <maxamillion> dustymabe: +1
17:12:55 <jzb> tflink: no
17:13:22 <jzb> dustymabe: well, not "intentionally" boring, but it's just sort of shaped up that way.
17:13:37 <jzb> dustymabe: if somebody rolls up with a proposal to do something interesting in that, we're not going to prevent it.
17:13:39 <tflink> as a consumer of that base image, I'm fine with boring :)
17:13:40 <jsmith> jzb: Can you elaborate on *when* you expect to have the two-week cadence working well?
17:13:49 <jzb> jsmith: "soon" :-)
17:13:50 <dustymabe> jzb: yes. well boring because we aren't focusing on it.. boring until we come up with some new good ideas for it
17:14:21 <jzb> jsmith: they're producing dailies now, we lack specific testing to say "ok, this is a good 2-week release"
17:14:45 <dustymabe> jzb: so are my statements relatively correct as far as the proposal goes?
17:15:10 <jzb> dustymabe: except
17:15:13 <maxamillion> cccccccbncgbegdfgniilbghndcjbijrebvnreihikhe
17:15:24 <roshi> ...?
17:15:27 <tflink> maxamillion: yubikey?
17:15:38 <jzb> dustymabe: 3. The group will also be looking to improve and de-embiggen the Fedora Docker image.
17:15:47 <jzb> maxamillion: easy for you to say
17:15:49 <maxamillion> tflink: yup, sorry .. was moving between rooms with my laptop
17:15:54 <tflink> are more folks committing to testing the deliverables? the coverage for F22 was a bit sparse and oddshocks did a bunch of it
17:15:55 <dustymabe> jzb: yes. I forgot that part
17:16:04 <tflink> https://www.happyassassin.net/testcase_stats/22/Cloud.html
17:16:06 <jzb> but otherwise yes
17:16:14 <dustymabe> jzb: so I like the vision
17:16:15 <lalatenduM> jzb: I am fine with hvaing more focus on atomic , but not at the cost of base cloud image
17:16:18 <maxamillion> jzb: ?
17:16:39 <jzb> lalatenduM: scroll up. There is no cost to the base image.
17:16:40 <dustymabe> jzb: my only concern is that traditionally "boring" == little time commitment
17:16:48 <roshi> Chasers we need: Documentation, Testing, Releng, Marketing/Tutorials
17:16:49 <jzb> dustymabe: how much time are you spending on it now?
17:17:02 <dustymabe> moving to focus on atomic will be more time commitment I think
17:17:10 <lalatenduM> jzb: yeah read that, but somehow the msg is coming out like that even if it is not intentional
17:17:19 <dustymabe> jzb: I'm not necessarily talking about me but the rest of the group as well
17:17:39 <jzb> dustymabe: The reality is I don't see anybody really digging in or spending much time on the default image
17:17:42 <lalatenduM> dustymabe: +1
17:17:44 <jzb> other than roshi
17:17:45 <dustymabe> It would really be nice if we had one or two people "own" some of the responsibilities
17:17:52 <dustymabe> jzb: yes I agree
17:17:54 <roshi> I spend a lot of time with the base image :)
17:18:05 <roshi> that's the "chasers" I referenced up top
17:18:05 <jzb> dustymabe: but we're an all-volunteer group, it's not like we can assign work
17:18:17 <dustymabe> yes true.
17:18:25 <jzb> so my proposal basically just reflects reality as it is and trying to catch up w/r/t the site and marketing.
17:18:53 <jzb> (And a hope we'll also remember the docker image needs love)
17:18:56 <dustymabe> ok. yes. I like the vision
17:18:59 <roshi> I don't see it as "assigning" it's more of "who wants to attach their names to this thing here?"
17:19:06 <nzwulfin> jzb: it would be nice to make some points of contact for "major initiatives"
17:19:11 <rtnpro> roshi, I am ready to be an apprentice and help out with things :)
17:20:13 <roshi> tflink brought up a good point though, this is moving into untested waters - do we have more people who are stepping up to test these deliverables?
17:20:15 <dustymabe> rtnpro++
17:20:15 <zodbot> dustymabe: Karma for rtnpro changed to 4:  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:20:30 <roshi> a lot of the testing for F22 was me
17:20:33 <jsmith> rtnpro++
17:20:33 <zodbot> jsmith: Karma for rtnpro changed to 5:  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:20:47 <roshi> tflink and nirik also testing things
17:21:23 <nzwulfin> if we're moving toward atomic as the major deliverable, i'm willing to help out with trying to figure out some testing
17:21:24 <adimania> I'll do some testing as well. I have some resources for setting up atomic and docker.
17:21:36 <nzwulfin> since my main focus is "upstream" docs
17:21:45 <jbrooks> I'll help, too -- atomic is my primary interest
17:21:46 <maxamillion> I will be involved a bit more in F23+ Atomic testing and such (fwiw)
17:21:49 <roshi> but the testing of the images has been sparse, and we still need more testcases written for the base image - let alone Atomic and the docker image to run inside it
17:21:54 <tflink> also, the base cloud image for F22 was so similar to the server product that it got away with fewer test cases and less testing - who's writing all the test cases for atomic and docker?
17:22:03 <dustymabe> for all of those that just spoke up.. we do have a test day tomorrow :)
17:22:06 <jzb> maxamillion: isn't testing of that under the remit of the team that's currently producing it as well?
17:22:11 * roshi hasn't really tracked atomic at all - precisely because it's not blocking
17:22:13 <jzb> dustymabe: was that.. promoted anywhere?
17:22:35 <roshi> jzb: it was announced
17:22:41 <jzb> roshi: define announced :-)
17:22:41 <roshi> blog posts will be going up today
17:22:48 <maxamillion> jzb: depends on what you define as the team that "produces  it" because if that were true then technically rel-eng produces the distro but we certainly don't test everything
17:22:50 <roshi> sent to the list, discussed in meetings
17:23:06 <dustymabe> jzb: we could have done a better job on that
17:23:10 <nzwulfin> i think dustymabe has the most comprehensive list of tires to kick on atomic we've been using on test days, it definitely could be expanded, updated and automated (?)
17:23:17 <jzb> roshi: I will gently suggest we need a larger group than that :-)
17:23:21 <roshi> WG's are responsible for testing - they get their stuff signed off by QA (or, that's how I understand it's supposed to work)
17:23:22 <dustymabe> flock/linuxcon got in the way of doing proper promotions
17:23:51 <dustymabe> roshi: I think test days are an opportunity to engage the community as well
17:23:56 <roshi> jzb: sure - but we're here now, and we can have another test day - there's not a limit on them
17:23:57 <jzb> is kushal about?
17:24:02 <dustymabe> that's why we have promoted them more heavily for the past two test days
17:24:08 <maxamillion> jzb: he's traveling afaik
17:24:13 <number80> roshi: we need a hands-on on how to automqte the testing
17:24:23 <dustymabe> number80: welcome
17:24:35 <jzb> maxamillion: man, what's up with people traveling. amirite?
17:24:35 <roshi> and to automate it, we could use some more devs working on taskotron
17:24:49 <dustymabe> roshi: what do the schedules look like. would we have time to do another test day early september?
17:24:57 <jzb> lalatenduM: do you have a remit to assist with testing as part of the container tools fun?
17:24:57 <adimania> roshi, dustymabe, jzb, we also need some reference on how to start and where to start.
17:25:01 <roshi> yeah, we can do that easily
17:25:06 <roshi> dustymabe: ^^
17:25:08 <jzb> rtnpro: ^^?
17:25:08 <maxamillion> jzb: heh
17:25:11 <jbrooks> we're getting off track
17:25:21 <dustymabe> ok. lets push our official F22 test day to early sept if thats ok?
17:25:26 <number80> +!
17:25:30 <number80> +1
17:25:33 <lalatenduM> jzb: nope :/
17:25:33 <roshi> so no testday tomorrow then?
17:25:39 <dustymabe> and tomorrow the WG members can work on testing
17:25:58 <jzb> dustymabe: F22 test day? :-)
17:26:08 <dustymabe> I'll be available to do some testing.. and we'll fill out pages just for us
17:26:12 <dustymabe> jzb: doh
17:26:25 <jzb> dustymabe: also, this sort of means we'll be versionless really
17:26:34 <dustymabe> roshi: how does that sound?
17:26:35 <jzb> we'd need to have a separate discussion about versions.
17:26:37 <rtnpro> jzb, I am not sure (I did not get the question properly)
17:26:42 <roshi> tomorrow we could just work on test cases in prep for later
17:26:45 <dustymabe> jzb: you are talking about 2-week atomic?
17:26:52 <jzb> rtnpro: any room in your $dayjob to help with Fedora Atomic testing.
17:26:54 <jzb> dustymabe: yes
17:27:10 <roshi> so, back to the discussion at hand
17:27:13 <dustymabe> jzb: maxamillion: is two week atomic based off rawhide?
17:27:13 <roshi> the vote on atomic
17:27:14 <rtnpro> jzb, I am not sure, but I can do it in my free time :D
17:27:34 <maxamillion> dustymabe: no, as per request of upstream projectatomic it will be based of stable+updates
17:27:37 <maxamillion> off*
17:27:46 <maxamillion> dustymabe: we wanted it to be on rawhide but there were .... issues
17:27:48 <dustymabe> jzb: then that means we will still have a major version
17:27:51 <roshi> I think we should identify the following people for being in charge of: Docs, Testing, Working with releng and Marketing/Tutorials
17:28:07 <nzwulfin> roshi: +1
17:28:18 <jzb> dustymabe: yeah, but I think we will confuse people if we try to adhere to that.
17:28:37 <jzb> dustymabe: it's probably better to have something like a date-based release number
17:28:40 <jzb> but yeah
17:28:45 <jzb> roshi: can you officially start a vote?
17:28:47 <dustymabe> jzb: sure.. but it also means we are going to have to make "major" jumps at times
17:28:52 <roshi> versioning is off topic for now, I think - that's details for later
17:29:05 <dustymabe> ok then.. vote
17:29:17 <dustymabe> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/Governance
17:29:18 <roshi> who will handle Documentation?
17:29:22 <dustymabe> this is what we have for now
17:29:39 <roshi> reporting to the WG at meetings on status and what's being worked on
17:29:54 <dustymabe> I'll take the releng part
17:30:05 * roshi wants to get people in slots before we vote
17:30:08 <jzb> roshi: so we need to open a ticket?
17:30:08 <dustymabe> and try to work with maxamillion on stuff
17:30:24 <roshi> open a ticket for what?
17:30:41 <jzb> roshi: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/Governance#Making_Decisions
17:30:46 <maxamillion> dustymabe: I'm not point for Atomic at the moment, that's dgilmore but I'm happy to help where ever and when ever I'm able ... if I can wrap up some container stuff I'll refocus on helping with Atomic
17:30:46 <jzb> roshi: on the page you just linked to ;-)
17:30:55 <maxamillion> dustymabe: from the rel-eng side that is
17:30:56 <roshi> Documentation can be part of marketing and tutorials
17:31:00 <roshi> that wasn't me, jzb :p
17:31:08 <jzb> roshi: oh, right
17:31:11 <jzb> sigh
17:31:16 <nzwulfin> roshi: i can take on documentation
17:31:21 <jbrooks> I can work on tutorials and such as well
17:31:37 <roshi> sure, ticket sounds good
17:31:41 * rtnpro waits
17:31:45 <roshi> jzb can you open the ticket?
17:31:48 * dustymabe recalls jsmith liking documentation
17:32:02 <jsmith> Guilty as charged...
17:32:08 <roshi> and we can settle who;s going to run point for what here
17:32:09 <adimania> I would like to help on testing but I am not a member of wg as such.
17:32:20 <nzwulfin> wow 3 ppl willing to do docs? crazy :)
17:32:27 <jzb> roshi: sure
17:32:27 <jsmith> nzwulfin: Scary, isn't it?
17:32:32 <roshi> adimania: I can get you set up with testing
17:32:33 <dgilmore> dustymabe: whats up?
17:32:44 <roshi> bring you into the QA cult :P
17:32:50 <dustymabe> dgilmore: we just mentioned your name in passing.. sorry to bring you in
17:32:59 <dgilmore> dustymabe: it is okay
17:33:00 <dustymabe> you can disregard
17:33:04 <dgilmore> dustymabe: http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22-20150825/Cloud_Atomic/x86_64/iso/ fyi
17:33:07 <rtnpro> roshi, I can help with testing as well
17:33:11 <adimania> roshi, great!
17:33:35 <roshi> awesome rtnpro
17:33:36 <sayan> roshi, i can help you up in that too!
17:33:51 <roshi> sweet, we can sync up after the meeting in the fedora-qa channel
17:34:17 <jsmith> Is there a particular outline for the documentation?
17:34:19 <roshi> ok, so we have testing/releng and looks like docs as well
17:34:19 <dustymabe> if all of you guys could be around some tomorrow to help with testing/organizing the future test day that would be gret
17:34:21 <dustymabe> great
17:34:29 <roshi> jsmith: we don't have much, as it stands
17:34:34 <jsmith> Or should we start brain-storming?
17:34:44 <roshi> brainstorming I think jsmith :)
17:35:14 <jsmith> I'm happy to start putting together a skeleton once we have a basic outline
17:35:25 <nzwulfin> jsmith: yah, brainstorming, I've got some outstanding things from PA.io too
17:35:40 <jsmith> And of course I'm happy to translate docs from just about any format into Docbook
17:35:51 <roshi> proposed #agreed - Cloud testing group is: rtnpro adimania sayan roshi
17:36:23 <jsmith> roshi: +1 from me
17:36:43 <roshi> proposed #agreed - Cloud docs group is: nzwulfin jsmith jbrooks
17:36:59 <roshi> proposed #agreed - Cloud releng POC is: dustymabe maxamillion
17:37:12 <roshi> ack or patch for any of the three
17:37:13 <dustymabe> thats a good group right there :)
17:37:22 <dustymabe> ack all 3
17:37:25 * roshi just wanted to get it all written down in one line for easier reading
17:37:34 <rtnpro> yay!
17:37:34 <nzwulfin> even managed to get WG member in all 3 ;)
17:37:36 <dustymabe> is that going into a ticket?
17:37:37 <maxamillion> add dgilmore to that releng bit please
17:37:55 <roshi> dustymabe: I figure I'll put stuff on the wiki instead of a ticket
17:37:56 <dustymabe> maxamillion: well he is the person we would be working with right?
17:38:05 <dustymabe> on the far end
17:38:22 <maxamillion> dustymabe: he's the one running point on Atomic releng tasks
17:38:29 <roshi> maxamillion: I just put in people who are involved with the cloud WG, didn't think I needed to add him to yet another thing :p
17:38:35 <dustymabe> I doubt he will be attending the meetings though..
17:38:41 <roshi> I can though
17:38:44 <maxamillion> roshi: ohhh ok
17:38:46 <maxamillion> yeah, alright
17:38:50 <roshi> if that makes sense
17:39:04 <jzb> (I'm on another meeting but I am +1 to all things that mean two-week atomic default :-))
17:39:19 <dustymabe> :) - jzb do we need a ticket for that
17:39:22 <roshi> if people have cloud questions, I'd rather people who see the wiki not pester dennis w/o talking to either of you first
17:39:26 <dustymabe> where we can record votes and such?
17:39:26 <jzb> dustymabe: yes
17:39:32 <roshi> he has enough on his plate at any point in time
17:39:33 <jzb> dustymabe: I will open as soon as I am off calls.
17:39:38 <dustymabe> jzb: sounds good
17:39:46 <roshi> thanks jzb
17:39:56 <roshi> so any nacks to those proposed groups?
17:40:09 <dustymabe> ok roshi will create wiki pages.. roshi would be nice if that information lived or was linked from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/Governance
17:40:25 <number80> nope
17:40:34 * roshi will put it on the wiki and send an email to the list with my rough ideas as to how they keep the WG updated
17:40:54 <roshi> #action roshi to create wiki pages with new groups and link to the governance page
17:41:06 <dustymabe> roshi: are we on to new topic now?
17:41:09 <roshi> #agreed - Cloud testing group is: rtnpro adimania sayan roshi
17:41:16 <roshi> #agreed - Cloud docs group is: nzwulfin jsmith jbrooks
17:41:24 <roshi> #agreed - Cloud releng POC is: dustymabe maxamillion
17:41:33 <dustymabe> we should possibly discuss cloudwg members?
17:41:45 <roshi> #info actual vote on Atomic will be on a ticket (yet to be created by jzb)
17:41:54 <number80> yes, only two candidates
17:41:55 <roshi> are we up for filling slots now?
17:41:56 <dustymabe> number80: created a mail about it
17:42:01 <roshi> oh, right
17:42:22 <roshi> go for it dustymabe - then I want to give a brief update on the "test day" tomorrow
17:42:43 <dustymabe> so oddshocks is gone and agrimm is inactive
17:43:03 <number80> agrimm will still manage our credentials in cloud providers
17:43:04 <dustymabe> also haven't seen much from imcleod or scollier since I have been here
17:43:26 <dustymabe> I know Ian and Scott are around
17:43:40 <scollier> hi.
17:43:41 * jsmith apologizes, but must run to another ${DAYJOB} meeting
17:43:48 <dustymabe> there he is
17:43:49 <roshi> thanks for coming by jsmith
17:43:54 <number80> scollier: you're the new beetlejuice!
17:43:55 <jsmith> roshi: No worries
17:43:55 <dustymabe> scollier: welcome :)
17:44:23 <dustymabe> oh man.. was that really a conincidence
17:44:27 <scollier> hey, sorry for my lack of attendance here lately.
17:44:34 <maxamillion> scollier: o/
17:44:36 <number80> not a problem
17:44:44 <maxamillion> scollier: missed you at TXLF last weekend :)
17:44:58 <scollier> maxamillion, i know.  next year!
17:45:17 <dustymabe> number80: is there an exact # of WG members or is there a minimum or maximum?
17:46:44 <number80> no min, no nax
17:46:54 <number80> as long as we keep it reasonable
17:47:05 <roshi> yep
17:47:11 <dustymabe> ok. so I say if people are here and they are active and want to be a part of the group then.. why not
17:47:23 <roshi> once there's enough interest, we might have to change it - but for now that's what we're at
17:47:24 <dustymabe> I know adimania and rtnpro sent mails to the list?
17:47:44 <number80> I know other people expressed interest but no mails
17:48:19 <number80> I guess, I'll organize a vote on trac
17:48:29 <roshi> that works
17:48:30 <rtnpro> dustymabe, yes, we did :)
17:48:35 <dustymabe> maxamillion: might be interested as well
17:48:50 <dustymabe> what was that one guy's name at Flock long blonde hair?
17:49:01 <roshi> dameastro
17:49:06 <roshi> is his irc handle
17:49:06 <number80> Blondie
17:49:12 <dustymabe> .fas dameastro
17:49:12 <zodbot> dustymabe: 'dameastro' Not Found!
17:49:27 <number80> .fas damaestro
17:49:27 <zodbot> number80: jsteffan 'Jonathan Steffan' <jonathansteffan@gmail.com>
17:49:31 <maxamillion> dustymabe: +1
17:49:46 <dustymabe> wtf zodbot?
17:50:08 <number80> soon, fesco meeting
17:50:12 <scollier> dustymabe, you insulted zodbot?
17:50:22 <dustymabe> I guess. man that was harsh
17:50:23 <dgilmore> .fire dustymabe
17:50:23 <zodbot> adamw fires dustymabe
17:50:27 <adimania> dustymabe, zodbot doesn't like you. :P
17:50:43 <dustymabe> ok so we will organize a vote
17:50:48 <dustymabe> action item for number80
17:51:02 <maxamillion> dustymabe: heh
17:51:05 <roshi> sounds like a plan
17:51:06 <dustymabe> #action number80 to organize vote on Cloud WG membership renewal
17:51:30 <roshi> well, it's about time for open floor
17:51:33 <roshi> #topic Open Floor
17:51:35 <scollier> i have some things.
17:51:40 <scollier> on fedora-dockerfiles...
17:51:41 <roshi> go for it
17:51:59 <scollier> i created the 3 branches, f2{0,1,2}
17:52:07 <scollier> need to figure out best way to maintain that.
17:52:36 <scollier> need to determine if it's worth it, based on the work maxamillion and other are doing with moving dockerfiles to package maintainers.
17:52:57 <scollier> if it is worth it, i'd like to see kube yaml files, nulecule files, integration with atomic, etc...
17:53:02 <scollier> they have been to stagnate.
17:53:25 <dustymabe> scollier: I think it's hard to maintain them in there current form
17:53:27 * number80 has fesco meeting soon
17:53:30 <scollier> oh, and i'm not totally sure how to manage a 3 branch repo like that.
17:53:42 <scollier> dustymabe, why?
17:53:54 <maxamillion> scollier: yeah, that gets long in the tooth pretty fast, there's a lot of the build tooling under rapid development, I'm not certain it's ready for prime time, I'm aiming to have something available in staging by F23 but I don't know about moving it to PROD for general use and opening the flood gates just yet
17:53:56 <dustymabe> having someone that is a little closer to what the application is supposed to do is better qualified at testing them
17:54:41 <dustymabe> so eventually something like "moving dockerfiles to package maintainers" is probably a good idea
17:54:51 <scollier> dustymabe, i agree with that.  i will say though, that the same infrastructure / scripts used for testing packages, doesn't translate cleanly to images.
17:54:53 <dustymabe> so that they get better tested?
17:55:00 <dustymabe> scollier: agreed
17:55:12 <dustymabe> just wanted to throw that out there..
17:55:37 <adimania> I am the package maintainer for fedora-dockerfiles.
17:55:46 <scollier> dustymabe, i'd also like to flesh out a "best practices guide", for folks who are not familiar with doing the work.
17:55:59 <scollier> of which i have started, but not a lot of content yet.
17:56:02 <adimania> and at the moment, I am not sure how to manage the multi-branch setup.
17:56:14 <scollier> adimania, yea, me too. where can we start?
17:56:22 <scollier> adimania, we need to make sure each image builds in each branch
17:56:31 <scollier> each image can launch a container, in each branch.
17:56:37 <scollier> we need automation around that.
17:56:39 <scollier> me thinks.
17:56:47 <adimania> and I would also like to test out the dockerfiles before we actually ship them to repos. I wrote a script which is attached to trac for testing out.
17:56:59 <adimania> https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/84#comment:19
17:57:04 <scollier> adimania, good.  i saw that.  can we automate that?
17:57:20 <roshi> as for automation, it would be good if we had someone working with the taskotron folks
17:57:43 <roshi> they could use the extra devs and then we'd have a SME to help automate things as we need them
17:57:49 <scollier> roshi, is that what we are picking over a jenkins solution?
17:57:49 <roshi> and have them all in the same place
17:58:08 <maxamillion> scollier: part of the build tooling aim is to have Dockerfiles in DistGit and built with fedpkg similar to rpms
17:58:09 <adimania> I have not used taskotron, so I cannot really say. I can run it via a github hook on one of my machines though and send out an email.
17:58:28 <scollier> roshi, dustymabe, one thought i had.  was to have, and i don't know when, but have a fed-dockerfiles half day hackathon at the next fedora event?
17:58:33 <scollier> do you think people would be interested in that?
17:58:33 <roshi> taskotron is the tool QA is building for automating pretty much any generic task
17:58:44 <scollier> maxamillion, sure, but what about all the testing?
17:58:49 <scollier> is that covered?
17:58:49 <roshi> right now it's replaced autoQA in production, and more features are being worked on
17:58:55 <scollier> roshi, ok
17:59:07 <roshi> one specifically for disposable clients so we can do destructive tests
17:59:10 <scollier> roshi, maybe we can spend some more time on this next week, and has out some action items?
17:59:16 <roshi> and it's integrated with the fedmsg bus
17:59:18 <dustymabe> scollier: hackathon would be nice
17:59:23 <roshi> for sure scollier
17:59:25 <adimania> scollier, I would be interested but my geographical location might not permit a  lot of face-to-face meetings.
17:59:33 <roshi> tflink would be down with that I think
17:59:40 <scollier> dustymabe, cool, let's add an action to discuss that?
17:59:44 <scollier> or something.
17:59:48 <dustymabe> scollier: we are going to propose a Fedora cloud FAD soon
17:59:55 <scollier> dustymabe, coooool.
18:00:04 <scollier> adimania, ack.
18:00:10 <roshi> we're out of time, but can continue discussing in the fedora-cloud channel
18:00:13 * roshi sets the fuse
18:00:15 <roshi> 3...
18:00:22 <dustymabe> scollier: update this ticket with some info
18:00:24 <maxamillion> scollier: it's something we want to work on, but it's not been done yet ... it is in the big picture goal though, we'd like to run things through taskotron
18:00:24 <dustymabe> https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/115
18:00:24 <roshi> thanks for coming folks, good discussion
18:00:29 <scollier> dustymabe, ok.
18:00:40 <maxamillion> scollier: but no, right this second there's no automated testing tied to the pipeline
18:00:46 <dustymabe> roshi: thanks for running
18:00:51 <roshi> np np
18:00:55 <roshi> 2...
18:00:55 <scollier> maxamillion, oky.
18:01:30 <roshi> 1...
18:01:30 <maxamillion> scollier: it's not ideal but I'm pretty sure I'm the only one working on it right now in the Fedora space ... just not enough folks with spare cycles to take on new work
18:01:45 <roshi> #endmeeting