16:01:18 <geppetto> #startmeeting fpc
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16:01:18 <geppetto> #meetingname fpc
16:01:18 <geppetto> #topic Roll Call
16:01:18 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fpc'
16:01:25 <geppetto> #chair Rathann
16:01:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: Rathann geppetto
16:01:31 * orionp is here - barely
16:01:45 <geppetto> #chair orionp
16:01:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: Rathann geppetto orionp
16:01:54 * racor is here
16:02:10 <geppetto> #chair racor
16:02:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: Rathann geppetto orionp racor
16:05:17 <geppetto> limburgher mbooth SmootherFr0gZ tibbs|w tomspur: FPC ping
16:05:24 <mbooth> Hi
16:05:25 <Rathann> hi
16:05:26 <geppetto> I think tibbs is still on vacation
16:05:29 <tibbs|w> Howdy.
16:05:33 <tibbs|w> No, I'm back now.
16:05:36 <geppetto> Ahh, I guess not :)
16:05:41 <geppetto> #chair tibbs
16:05:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: Rathann geppetto orionp racor tibbs
16:05:43 <geppetto> #chair mbooth
16:05:43 <zodbot> Current chairs: Rathann geppetto mbooth orionp racor tibbs
16:05:55 <tibbs|w> Unfortunately the Internet was crap where I was staying.
16:06:11 * geppetto nods … no problem … having vacations are good :)
16:06:56 <geppetto> #topic Schedule
16:06:59 <geppetto> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/packaging/2015-October/011066.html
16:07:07 <geppetto> No new tickets this week
16:07:33 <geppetto> #topic #575     Bundling Guidelines Overhaul
16:07:33 <geppetto> .fpc 575
16:07:33 <geppetto> https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/575
16:07:34 <zodbot> geppetto: #575 (Bundling Guidelines Overhaul) – fpc - https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/575
16:07:39 <geppetto> Not sure we need to do anything here
16:08:08 <Rathann> fesco ticket was postponed to next week
16:08:14 * geppetto nods
16:08:15 <Rathann> so nothing new
16:08:48 <geppetto> #topic #567     Packaging Python 3 applications and modules for EPEL 7+
16:08:48 <geppetto> .fpc 567
16:08:48 <geppetto> https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/567
16:08:50 <zodbot> geppetto: #567 (Packaging Python 3 applications and modules for EPEL 7+) – fpc - https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/567
16:09:24 <geppetto> tibbs: You want to talk about the new macros?
16:10:36 <tibbs|w> Well, I haven't had much chance to work on them since I got back.  tomspur and orionp had worked on them last.
16:11:08 <geppetto> orionp: ^?
16:11:23 <tibbs|w> I still have things I'd _like_ to add, but right now they could be dropped in and nothing would change since they don't conflict with anything currently.
16:12:01 <mbooth> Heh, "...so I just rewrote it in python."
16:12:02 <tibbs|w> Things are still up to date on the github page, but I will need to draft up a guideline change that shows how they'd be used.
16:12:09 <tibbs|w> Oh, yeah, spectool.
16:12:46 <geppetto> yeh :)
16:12:50 <tibbs|w> That's basically a different thing, but it's already broken if you use any interesting macros (unrelated to the python work) and I'd hate for it to be broken further.
16:13:27 <tibbs|w> What's there works, but I hadn't decided to whether to use pycurl or shell out to curl or just use requests.
16:13:43 <tibbs|w> Well, "works" as in it does everything but actually download things.
16:14:27 <tibbs|w> Anyway, more work to do.
16:14:40 <tibbs|w> I haven't even had much chance to catch up with last week's meeting stuff.
16:14:51 <tibbs|w> At this point it isn't holding anything up, so....
16:15:42 * geppetto nods
16:16:04 <geppetto> #topic Open Floor
16:16:08 <tibbs|w> Anyway, maybe more or next week.
16:16:23 <geppetto> Well, that's pretty much it … so super short meeting unless anyone wants to bring anything up?
16:16:25 <tibbs|w> What's up with fesco and the bundling guidelines thing?
16:16:45 <Rathann> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1491
16:16:46 <tibbs|w> Sorry, I'm just not up to date with that now.
16:16:47 <geppetto> Rathann said the next proposal is set for next week
16:17:01 <Rathann> I left a reply last week
16:17:15 <Rathann> they didn't discuss it at this week's meeting
16:17:24 <Rathann> "Postponed because neither nirik nor sgallagh were preset at today's meeting. Let's continue here. "
16:17:26 <tibbs|w> OK, so just some clarification, not another complete overhaul or an about face.
16:17:31 <Rathann> yes
16:18:05 <tibbs|w> I've basically stopped caring; there's no point in expending the mental effort.
16:18:28 <Rathann> I still care
16:18:35 <tibbs|w> The way it went down, though, really looks bad.
16:18:51 <tibbs|w> Rathann: I'm glad someone does.
16:18:52 <Rathann> I took a step back and took a look at the big picture
16:19:41 <Rathann> maybe I'm getting old ;)
16:19:44 <tibbs|w> Rathann: I do wish FESCo had actually done that.
16:20:19 <tibbs|w> But what's done is done and it's no longer really an FPC thing unless they decide to make it an FPC thing again.
16:22:20 <Rathann> well, let's not get back to the discussion then
16:22:28 <tibbs|w> On another note, I need to file a couple of RFEs with the rpm folks.
16:22:37 <tibbs|w> Anyone know how receptive they are to requests these days?
16:22:46 <geppetto> about the same as ever
16:22:47 <Rathann> they are
16:23:05 <geppetto> everything will be queued up behind the DB change
16:23:06 <tibbs|w> geppetto: I have a long memory, so "same as ever" is a really bad thing.
16:23:18 <geppetto> tibbs: Same as ever over the last 5 years or so :)
16:23:25 <tibbs|w> RFE => flames from Jeff Johnson.
16:23:36 <geppetto> indeed
16:23:44 <tibbs|w> The DB change won't make any difference to us, will it?
16:23:49 <geppetto> no
16:23:55 <Rathann> I had the impression that Florian and Panu were quite responsive
16:24:00 <geppetto> but it's taking a non-trivial amount of their time, AIUI
16:24:09 <tibbs|w> I'm pretty sure I can give them a very small patch to implement what I need.
16:24:12 <Rathann> and Jeff went away with the fork, didn't he?
16:24:17 <tibbs|w> He did.
16:24:27 <racor> Rathann: Panu was, but Florian ... sorry, I do not agree with you
16:25:51 <tibbs|w> All I need now is %description in a macro so I can dispense with the absolutely horrible hack we're using currently.
16:25:53 <Rathann> well I had a chance to talk to Florian at this year's DevConf
16:26:30 <Rathann> and he was open to changes
16:27:28 <tibbs|w> But after going down into the rpm/lua interface, I see all sorts of cool opportunities if only there was support.
16:27:57 <racor> Rathann: Have a look at the rpm-mailing list. No responses to proposals except for 1 in August.
16:31:36 <Rathann> racor: I'm not sure where you were looking, but I can see quite a few e-mails on rpm-list and quite a few patches on rpm-maint list
16:31:44 <Rathann> both on lists.rpm.org
16:32:23 <Rathann> they ask for filing feature requests and bugs in rpm.org trac
16:32:55 <geppetto> Are you sure … we both used to use that but it was a huge spam problem
16:33:25 <Rathann> well that's what the website says
16:33:31 <geppetto> Ahh
16:33:40 <Rathann> you can also ask in #rpm.org
16:33:44 * geppetto nods
16:34:16 <racor> Rathann: I am looking at the official rpm dev list: http://lists.rpm.org/pipermail/rpm-maint/
16:39:47 <geppetto> Anyway … anything else we need to talk about, or time for lunch?
16:41:37 <Rathann> racor: http://lists.rpm.org/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list has more traffic
16:41:58 <Rathann> nothing from me today
16:43:21 <tibbs|w> Yeah, I'm out of stuff.  Still catching up with work but hopefully that will be done soon and I have a free weekend.
16:43:31 * geppetto nods
16:43:47 <geppetto> Ok, thanks for coming and see you all next week.
16:43:53 <geppetto> #endmeeting