17:03:27 #startmeeting Fedora Cloud Working Group 17:03:27 Meeting started Wed Dec 2 17:03:27 2015 UTC. The chair is jzb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:03:27 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:03:27 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_cloud_working_group' 17:03:54 #chair maxamillion jbrooks misc number80 17:03:54 Current chairs: jbrooks jzb maxamillion misc number80 17:04:05 o/ 17:04:19 .hellomynameis jzb 17:04:20 jzb: jzb 'Joe Brockmeier' 17:04:35 kushal sends his regrets 17:04:38 network issues 17:05:03 ok, let's get started 17:05:27 * jzb heads over to Trac 17:05:51 .hello trishnag 17:05:52 trishnag: trishnag 'Trishna Guha' 17:06:22 #topic Cloud FAD 17:06:25 https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/115 17:06:31 I think this was started by dustymabe 17:06:41 any updates, suggestions, etc.? 17:06:55 .hello pryanka 17:06:57 pryanka: pryanka 'Pryanka Giri' 17:07:17 hi all, i am a new volunteer to fedora cloud QA. :) 17:07:25 trishnag: hi - welcome 17:07:38 trishnag: welcome! 17:07:38 Hello everyone 17:07:44 trishnag: welcome :) 17:07:52 OK, tabling that one for next week 17:08:09 jzb, maxamillion, number80, thanks :) 17:08:36 I am a new volunteer for Cloud QA 17:08:55 well, I think that Red Hat Paris has a lot of free space for a workshop 17:08:56 #topic Producing 2 week atomic images 17:09:25 #undo 17:09:25 Removing item from minutes: 17:09:43 .hello corey84 17:09:44 linuxmodder: corey84 'Corey Sheldon' 17:09:49 suffering severe lag on the bouncer today in light of netspliting today (may be delayed) 17:09:53 .hello corey84 17:09:54 linuxmodder: corey84 'Corey Sheldon' 17:09:55 number80: we might get most bang for our buck if we colocate with something else. 17:10:02 same here 17:10:08 been working with docs and ambassador groups for a bit hto 17:10:29 number80: is there something happening in Paris fo us to bounce off of? 17:11:51 nothing big planned, afaik 17:11:54 I don't know if there's anything been discussed further for 2-week cloud images, but AutoCloud is testing the Cloud images nightly now just as it is for Atomic and we're already releasing two-week Atomic, so the ability to piggy back on that work is likely a low barrier of entry so long as there's enough ownership to make a "go/no-go" call on the release 17:12:08 at least not in the next 3 or 4 months 17:12:17 now, paris is not far from bruxelles 17:12:34 so around fosdem, it could be worth 17:12:54 jzb: yes 17:13:01 just thinking aloud 17:13:02 misc: OK, I think we need dustymabe for this since he opened the ticket 17:13:07 let's move that to mailing list? 17:13:13 *nods* 17:13:18 though if we're going to do around FOSDEM we need to pull the trigger pretty darn soon. 17:13:27 #topic Producing 2 week atomic images 17:13:38 maxamillion: I saw the announcement about the latest two week release 17:13:41 is it ready for promotion> 17:13:43 ? 17:13:48 jzb: it is 17:13:53 jzb: it's already live on the website 17:14:04 excellent 17:14:08 https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/download/atomic.html 17:14:21 #action jzb write up release announcement for magazine / project atomic site. 17:14:39 maxamillion: do we have the details on kernel / docker verison etc? 17:15:07 jzb: we don't have a good auto-generated manifest but I can get you that information from the compose logs if you have a list of packages you'd like to highlight 17:15:56 maxamillion: kernel, docker, k8s, atomic (/usr/bin/atomic), rpm-ostree? 17:15:56 jzb: the auto-generated manifest is on the roadmap though, I'd like to think we can get that done this month pending other priority work gets done 17:16:05 maxamillion: that'd be super, thanks 17:16:14 I can publicize on my blog and other socials if you have a statement to link (or otherwise ready) 17:16:16 (we would really love that too) 17:16:17 * jzb is happy to see the 2-week releases moving 17:16:46 jzb: actually, we should look at the package list that was used in the centos release announcement on projectatomic.io and follow suit 17:16:49 maxamillion: to whom should we give thanks to helping this along? :-) 17:17:20 maxamillion: I don't think we did for the last release 17:17:25 jbrooks: ^^ ? 17:17:30 jzb: threebean, kushal, sayan, dgilmore, and myself ... pretty sure I didn't leave anyone out in that list 17:17:39 oh, there we did 17:17:51 maxamillion: groovy, thanks :-) 17:18:10 jzb: yeah, found it http://www.projectatomic.io/blog/2015/11/centos-atomic-host-updated/ ... I'll get you similar info for the announcement 17:18:19 maxamillion: awesome 17:18:27 anything else on the 2-week release topic? 17:18:53 .hello scollier 17:18:54 scollier: scollier 'Scott Collier' 17:19:26 we need to find out who's going to "own" it ... we need to come up with a process around go/no-go meetings and make sure we have people testing things and/or contributing test cases to AutoCloud 17:19:43 maxamillion, mind adding me to that ? I can also publish it 17:19:45 I assume this SIG will be the owner but the rest of the details need sorting out 17:19:58 linuxmodder: adding you to what? 17:22:10 maxamillion: I thought we had someone raise a hand to "own" this as an interim step? 17:22:22 .hellomynameis dustymabe 17:22:23 but yes, we do need to start that - when should the next go/no-go be? 17:22:23 dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' 17:22:27 * dustymabe is late 17:22:30 dustymabe: hey! welcome 17:22:37 sorry was doing an interview 17:22:42 dustymabe: no worries 17:22:52 * dustymabe reads scrollback 17:23:35 jzb: well we need to first figure out what all it's going to take to piggy back on the Two Week Atomic work, because it's not going to happen for free ... so the concept of holding a go/no-go meeting before we have that in place probably won't play out for us 17:24:17 from the release standpoint it should be relatively easy, but I have no idea how much work it'll take for the website team 17:24:18 maxamillion: 2 week atomic is live on the website? 17:24:23 dustymabe: yup 17:24:37 dustymabe: if you download from https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/download/atomic.html then you get the two week atomic image 17:24:38 wow.. we should promote 2 week atomic in general 17:24:46 like blog posts 17:24:48 dustymabe: yes 17:24:51 dustymabe: yeah, already been discussed ... you missed it :) 17:24:51 jzb: should I make one for that? 17:24:54 dustymabe: I already actioned that 17:24:55 ahh ok 17:24:56 sigh 17:24:57 :_) 17:25:06 didn't read entire scrollback 17:25:10 ok continue 17:25:27 maxamillion: we basically have one more 2-week before everybody disappears for holiday, yeah? 17:25:41 we need to figure out what cloud artifacts we want to ship, iso installer, qcow2, AWS EC2, $other? 17:25:48 jzb: yeah 17:26:23 maxamillion: I think the same set we've prevsiously shipped, yeah? I don't know why that'd change. 17:26:23 jzb: I'm most likely going to do a two-week Atomic release over the holidays 17:26:32 maxamillion: OK 17:26:46 maxamillion: it's good to keep the cadence, though I'm not sure how many people will be around to download it :-) 17:26:56 maxamillion++ 17:26:57 dustymabe: Karma for maxamillion changed to 10 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:27:08 maxamillion: thanks for making this happen 17:27:31 jzb: well, there were originally talks for Fedora Atomic to not ship 2-week vagrant and EC2 but we ended up doing it anyways ... I just want to make sure that we discuss and agree what's going to be shipped for Cloud Two-Week because that's going to require testing, etc 17:27:39 hey, somebody needs to tell Zodbot we're on a new release cycle 17:27:54 dustymabe: kushal, sayan, and threebean did a giant chunk of the work 17:28:00 maxamillion: oooh, cloud not Atomic? 17:28:15 jzb: right, we're talking about doing Cloud Two-Week 17:28:19 hmm 17:28:27 there is a ticket for releasing updated cloud images 17:28:29 jzb: so this would be net-new, non-Atomic Two-Week releases 17:28:36 ahhh 17:28:38 but the cadence was going to be 1 month 17:28:39 unless I'm misunderstanding 17:28:43 dustymabe: oh, ok 17:28:52 so ... 1 Month Cloud, 2 Week Atomic 17:28:57 sounds reasonable 17:29:07 but like you said. some more needs to be put in place first 17:29:14 #chair dustymabe 17:29:14 Current chairs: dustymabe jbrooks jzb maxamillion misc number80 17:29:29 here is the ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/138 17:29:37 yeah, we should put together a wiki page or similar to keep track of this stuff similar to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Two_Week_Atomic 17:31:05 ok 17:31:56 move on to next topic? 17:32:11 sounds good, I think we can follow up with this stuff off-meeting 17:32:59 sounds good 17:33:38 dustymabe: we have a lot of tickets in "meeting" but some of them... not sure they are or should still be? 17:33:58 we've talked about cloud monthly 17:34:07 jzb: yeah.. the only thing about removing them from meeting is that we might forget about them :( 17:34:09 dustymabe: have we covered a Fedora 23 retrospective yet? 17:34:16 jzb: kushal updated the ticket 17:34:25 but other than that, not really 17:34:52 actually 17:34:59 #topic Fedora Cloud QA 17:35:08 so part of kushal's update was a public call for QA 17:35:16 and I see we had a few folks introduce themselves 17:35:38 so - can we loop back around there 17:35:40 ? 17:36:03 pryanka, trishnag 17:36:08 ? 17:36:52 there was one or two more too 17:36:54 jzb, I have worked on nongatingtests for fedora cloud images. 17:37:41 OK 17:37:59 my main question is whether y'all have what you need to be productive helping with testing? 17:38:07 or do you need feedback/input/help? 17:39:34 jzb, i am trying to follow the workflow right now. 17:40:09 jzb: oh, sorry ... forgot to post this to you http://fpaste.org/296723/14490779/ ... if you'd like that in a different delivery mechanism I'd be happy to send it 17:41:00 maxamillion: that's fine - thanks! 17:41:04 jzb: cool cool 17:41:14 trishnag: so... current status, good? Further updates as events warrant? 17:41:14 stuff and things ... we're doing them 17:41:17 :-) 17:41:53 trishnag: pryanka: feel free to send emails to the list if you get stuck or need help 17:41:57 and irc is always there 17:42:10 always 17:42:11 lurking 17:42:12 :-) 17:42:20 OK, anything else on this topic? 17:43:04 dustymade, jzb, I am having exams now. I'll continue after my exams are over. thanks :) 17:43:22 trishnag: thanks! 17:43:38 trishnag: good luck ;-) 17:43:51 #topic make docker archived image get imported with lowercase tag 17:43:57 https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/131 17:44:07 dustymabe: any updates? 17:44:34 jzb: let me see if imcleod can join 17:44:36 and update 17:44:43 dustymabe: hi 17:44:53 imcleod: we are looking at ticket 131 17:44:57 https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/131 17:45:05 just wondering if there was anything to report on that 17:45:24 :-( - No. 17:45:29 ok good enough 17:45:39 But, inspired by this callout, I'm going to write a candidate change right now. 17:45:50 col 17:45:53 cool 17:45:58 I was busy with my office work not able to give time here 17:46:08 pryanka: ok. thanks for update 17:46:09 #action imcleod going to work on a fix for this. 17:46:09 imcleod: you rock 17:46:24 Trying to catch up from today onwards 17:46:26 jzb: it's good to include ticket # in action 17:46:55 #undo 17:46:55 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by jzb at 17:46:09 : imcleod going to work on a fix for this. 17:47:31 #action imcleod going to work on a fix for Ticket 131 17:48:50 OK 17:49:16 #topic Fedora-Dockerfiles examples for Kubernetes 17:49:27 #link https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/125 17:49:53 looks like Aditya has contributed an example 17:50:03 has anybody had a chance to look at this? 17:50:19 jzb: no :( 17:50:38 scollier: I think you opened the ticket 17:50:48 jzb, looking 17:50:48 scollier: would you have a chance to consider his suggestion/contribution? 17:50:52 scollier: thanks! 17:52:01 jzb, I actually thought we were moving fedora-dockerfiles into a maintenance mode of sorts until maxamillion and team had a chance to get the Fedora docker build system up. 17:52:34 "and team" ... I like that, that's good :) 17:52:36 >.> 17:52:41 jzb, and if that's the case, even if it's a bit of a ways out, how much do we want to consolidate into fed-dockerfiles as opposed to looking for more permanent homes? 17:52:51 maxamillion: you're a one-man team ;-) 17:53:21 jzb: eh, there's a lot of people involved in the whole stack, I'm just the one trying to make it work in the Fedora space and it stresses me out 17:53:47 jzb, when that ticket was opened, I / we thought fed-dockerfiles would be around a looong time. 17:54:08 it won't? :-) 17:54:20 how does the build system negate the dockerfiles repo? 17:54:40 jzb, duplicate work in most instances. 17:55:04 scollier: won't we just import the existing repo, or no 17:55:05 ? 17:55:23 jzb, i'm looking for the thread which covers this. 17:55:28 scollier: OK 17:55:32 sorry if I'm missing a thread 17:55:35 or threads 17:56:34 note we're about 4 minutes out from end of meeting 17:57:18 jzb, it's this thread: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/cloud%40lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/D4T23CNL3UCZ3YAQIOWTSF4BNMTNRGEG/#Z3JVOCMW2I46UTME452JV663RXSOK6IL 17:57:36 jzb, see second message from mattdm 17:58:25 scollier: OK 17:58:30 scollier: shall we move this to the list? 17:58:58 Note, regardless, I'd like to reply to Aditya by end of week so he doesn't feel ignored. 17:59:05 jzb, sure. we just need a location for the fedora k8s stuff. 17:59:07 jzb, ack. 18:01:16 OK 18:01:20 scollier: thanks 18:01:33 I think we're out of time 18:01:36 #topic open floor 18:01:39 any last topics? 18:03:21 OK 18:03:24 thanks all! 18:03:27 #endmeeting