15:00:12 <sgallagh> #startmeeting Server SIG Weekly Meeting (2016-03-29) 15:00:12 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Mar 29 15:00:12 2016 UTC. The chair is sgallagh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:12 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:12 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'server_sig_weekly_meeting_(2016-03-29)' 15:00:12 <sgallagh> #meetingname ServerSIG 15:00:12 <sgallagh> #chair sgallagh mizmo nirik stefw adamw simo danofsatx mhayden jds2001 15:00:12 <sgallagh> #topic roll call 15:00:12 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'serversig' 15:00:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw danofsatx jds2001 mhayden mizmo nirik sgallagh simo stefw 15:00:37 <nirik> morning 15:01:01 <jds2001> .hello jstanley 15:01:01 <zodbot> jds2001: jstanley 'Jon Stanley' <jonstanley@gmail.com> 15:01:27 <mizmo> .hello duffy 15:01:28 <mhayden> .hello mhayden 15:01:28 <zodbot> mizmo: duffy 'Máirín Duffy' <fedora@linuxgrrl.com> 15:01:31 <zodbot> mhayden: mhayden 'Major Hayden' <major@mhtx.net> 15:01:31 <sgallagh> .hello sgallagh 15:01:34 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com> 15:02:21 <adamw> ahoy 15:02:24 <adamw> .hello adamwill 15:02:29 <zodbot> adamw: adamwill 'Adam Williamson' <awilliam@redhat.com> 15:03:02 <sgallagh> #topic Agenda 15:03:18 <sgallagh> I had the Talking Points on the agenda, but they were due yesterday. 15:03:24 <danofsatx> oh, it's that time already. I'm here! 15:03:24 <sgallagh> Thanks to the folks who covered that. 15:03:30 <danofsatx> .hello dmossor 15:03:32 <zodbot> danofsatx: dmossor 'Dan Mossor' <danofsatx@gmail.com> 15:04:12 <sgallagh> #info Agenda Topic: Upcoming Open WG Seat 15:04:13 <stefw> .hello stefw 15:04:14 <zodbot> stefw: stefw 'Stef Walter' <stefw@redhat.com> 15:04:31 * danofsatx needs to go look at a model number real quick, back in a sec 15:04:50 <sgallagh> Any other agenda items for today? 15:05:35 <sgallagh> #topic Upcoming Open WG Seat 15:05:55 <sgallagh> As previously announced, I'm going to be stepping down from the Server WG, effective at the end of this meeting. 15:06:10 * danofsatx is back 15:06:22 * mhayden is sad 15:06:28 * jds2001 too 15:06:32 <danofsatx> sgallagh: why is that? You're the one developing the Server product - I'd hate to see you go 15:06:33 <mhayden> thanks for what you've done with the group, sgallagh :) 15:07:14 <sgallagh> danofsatx: A combination of burn-out and my day-job at Red Hat changing. 15:07:46 * nirik is also sad. Hopefully you can still be around some, or come back refreshed later. 15:08:02 <sgallagh> Yeah, that's my general plan. 15:08:10 <sgallagh> You've not seen the last of me. 15:08:32 <jds2001> sgallagh: darn, I though we were getting rid of you for good! :D 15:08:39 <danofsatx> Well, if your day job at RH is changing, is the old position you're leaving opening up? 15:08:43 <sgallagh> /me shakes fist. 15:08:50 * danofsatx still needs a job, preferably with RH 15:09:21 <adamw> jds2001: don't worry, i have the anti-sgallagh devices primed and ready for installation as soon as he leaves 15:09:24 <adamw> :P: 15:09:38 <sgallagh> Annnnnyway... 15:09:49 <mizmo> danofsatx: i think its more a reorg kind of thing 15:10:25 <sgallagh> Anyway, I'd like for us to prep a plan at least for the "chair/FESCo liaison" role that I currently hold. 15:10:50 <jds2001> sgallagh: what all is involved in that role? 15:10:52 <sgallagh> Someone needs to prep the meeting agendas and run the meetings and someone needs to keep FESCo apprised of important information when it comes up. 15:10:57 <sgallagh> Those do not need to be the same person. 15:11:53 <sgallagh> It's most convenient if the FESCo liaison is also a sitting member of FESCo, but not a strict requirement (as Paul Frields serves that function for the Workstation WG) 15:12:31 <danofsatx> that leaves us with nirik, doesn't it? 15:12:55 * danofsatx can't recall current FESCo peeps 15:13:00 <sgallagh> jds2001: The role of the FESCo liaison is mainly to be a go-between who makes sure that FESCo is aware of anything we change (or want to change) that might affect the rest of the project. And vice-versa. 15:14:01 <sgallagh> If the liaison is not a sitting member of FESCo, it really just means they are a non-voting member but should still be attending the meetings. 15:14:22 <adamw> the other thing is we need people to actually have a plan to do actual interesting work on Server. otherwise we're just sitting here every morning for no great reason. 15:14:31 <adamw> er, every Tuesday morning. 15:15:26 * nirik nods. 15:15:30 <sgallagh> adamw: I think that goes to more of a charter discussion. 15:15:30 * adamw is not volunteering. 15:15:31 <danofsatx> until it becomes my day-job again (which should happen real soon now), I won't be able to even have good ideas on what to do with Server. 15:15:52 <sgallagh> Which is probably a good thing to have (perhaps on the list?), particularly with a change in leadership. 15:17:17 <sgallagh> Today at least we should figure out who will be chairing the next meeting. 15:17:56 <nirik> I'd be happy to help someone else do it, but I run enough other meetings that I dont want to commit to running another one. 15:18:32 <sgallagh> An option of course is to do things like FESCo, with someone writing up an SOP document and sharing the chair around 15:19:20 * jds2001 is happy to do it, lacking other volunteers :) 15:19:35 <sgallagh> #info jds2001 to chair the next meeting 15:19:43 <adamw> go jds 15:20:10 <jds2001> then we can decide what we want to do. 15:20:24 <danofsatx> I'd be willing to do the SOP/share thing 15:20:35 <nirik> hurray. thanks jds2001 15:22:03 * jds2001 can likely not be the FESCo liason though - though my Wednesday $DAYJOB calendar is generally somewhat light 15:22:11 <jds2001> what time does the meeting happen at? 15:22:17 <sgallagh> jds2001: FESCo meets on Fridays 15:22:29 <nirik> friday at 17UTC 15:22:47 <jds2001> sgallagh: um, ok? 15:23:09 * jds2001 suggests updating the wiki in that case :) 15:24:43 <sgallagh> nirik: Given that you are still on FESCo, do you want to just handle acting as go-between? 15:25:02 <nirik> I guess I could sure. 15:26:14 <sgallagh> #info nirik to serve as FESCo liaison 15:26:58 <sgallagh> #topic Open Floor 15:27:15 <jds2001> now that ee havr logistics taken care of, do we want to talk about filling the open slot itself? 15:27:46 <sgallagh> Currently, we have one self-nomination on the mailing list. 15:28:58 <sgallagh> I've also been told that RHT engineering management is looking (internally) to find someone to put on Fedora Server full-time, but I suspect that's a multi-month process. 15:29:27 * danofsatx needs a job 15:29:28 <jds2001> anything like that moves glacially :D 15:29:31 <danofsatx> hint, hint 15:31:55 <sgallagh> While my opinion still counts, I'll admit to being in favor of expanding our sphere of influence to include people with non-x86 expertise. 15:32:15 <nirik> that would be nice. 15:32:32 <nirik> having someone full time to add new roles/etc would be nice too 15:32:39 <sgallagh> That said, I don't really know anything about Michael Wolf, though pbrobinson recommended him for the spot. 15:33:00 * adamw doesn't know anything about him 15:33:07 <danofsatx> from his intro, he has the experience at least of packaging, and he works for IBM.... 15:33:20 <jds2001> and he lives in Minnesota 15:33:21 <nirik> I've interacted with him a bit, he seems nice. I don't know too much about him tho 15:33:27 <jds2001> which makes him crazy enough for us :D 15:35:04 <nirik> perhaps we should put out a wider call for folks? announce list? or blogs? or ? 15:35:20 <sgallagh> nirik: Phoronix? ;-) 15:35:23 <nirik> or just be happy we found one and accept him. ;) 15:35:30 <nirik> sgallagh: we would have to slant it right... 15:36:26 <danofsatx> magazine, commopsblog 15:36:42 <mhayden> i don't mind sending a query out to folks i know to see if we have more people interested 15:36:46 <sgallagh> OK, does anyone want to vote on Michael's nomination today, or shall we leave it for consideration at next week's meeting? 15:37:12 * danofsatx votes for a 1 week nomination period 15:38:09 <jds2001> do we have anyone specific, or any specific skillset, that we'd like to see in the WG? 15:38:31 <sgallagh> jds2001: I'd *really* like to see people who are prepared to dive in and make changes. 15:39:17 <sgallagh> We talk a great game, but we really need to make sure the WG is comprised of effective "do-ers" 15:39:56 <nirik> yep 15:40:07 <danofsatx> decause says we can get the call for noms posted within 24 hours if he has text 15:40:10 * jds2001 agrees 15:40:50 <mhayden> you said noms and now i am hungry 15:41:03 <jds2001> nom nom 15:41:06 <danofsatx> nomnomnomnom 15:41:24 <sgallagh> jds2001: If mjwolf walked in and said "OK, I've got this aarch64 farm and I want this to be a primary arch and my team has kernel patches", I think I'd vote him in on the spot (for example) 15:42:44 <mhayden> haha 15:42:47 <jds2001> sgallagh: that furthers Fedora as a whole. 15:42:56 * decause will bring it up at the commops meeting after this one 15:43:02 <jds2001> sgallagh: but does it do anything *specifically* for the Server product? 15:43:30 <jds2001> (of course, aarch64 is useful with Server) 15:43:31 <sgallagh> jds2001: Right, that's my point. I want whoever steps into the seat I'm vacating to be actively improving Fedora as a whole and Server in specific. 15:43:34 <decause> if folks have example text you've used in the past for calls for nominations, that would *signficantly* reduce the time needed to post the clal 15:43:37 <decause> call* 15:43:54 * danofsatx searches the inbox 15:43:59 <decause> danofsatx++ 15:44:06 <sgallagh> jds2001: Well, I doubt it particulary aids Workstation and Cloud is dubious 15:44:12 * decause goes back to prepping the commops meeting agenda 15:44:20 <sgallagh> jds2001: aarch64 is far more likely to be a Server deliverable 15:44:45 <sgallagh> But I was providing that as a straw-man to indicate the level of involvement I'd be hoping for 15:45:02 <pbrobinson> sgallagh: he's the IBM lead for linux and community, he's actively involved in Server from a PPC perspective, there's quite a team behind him working on Fedora 15:45:03 * nirik notes we have some aarch64 stuff, just haven't had time to really bring it up yet. ;) 15:46:27 <sgallagh> pbrobinson: Thanks, so in essence he would potentially bring (human) resources to the table? 15:46:40 <pbrobinson> sgallagh: yes 15:46:59 <pbrobinson> sgallagh: and other things 15:47:08 <sgallagh> /me nods 15:47:42 <pbrobinson> sgallagh: that team regularly tests all sorts of things across server that is useful for server in general, things like enterprise storage and multipathing etc 15:48:12 <sgallagh> That would indeed be helpful. 15:48:33 <sgallagh> /me wonders if they could help us get some real-world continuous deployment testing going 15:48:44 <danofsatx> .tiny https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/JH64HTAGNRR7G5YYWXSKILX66XETGUJ2/ 15:48:45 <zodbot> danofsatx: http://tinyurl.com/hq4kymj 15:49:00 <danofsatx> ^^ sgallagh's call for nomination from november 2014 15:52:09 <sgallagh> Proposal: Accept additional nominations for Server WG seat until April 12th and issue a request for nominations on CommBlog. 15:52:22 <nirik> +1 15:53:08 <pbrobinson> sgallagh: it's been discussed briefly with them, we have some Power8 resources going into the Fedora Cloud which I'm hoping to eventually get nightly testing running on 15:53:09 <danofsatx> While I appreciate mjwolf volunteered, and he brings considerable value to the team, the announcement was released solely to the server list at this point. 15:53:17 <sgallagh> (this certainly isn't ruling Michael Wolf out, just offering some time to look around) 15:53:32 <jds2001> +1 15:53:39 <sgallagh> +1 15:53:45 <danofsatx> I would like to get wider eyes on our team, which is why I want CommOps to announce it - at the moment, mjwolf has my vote anyhow 15:54:11 <danofsatx> +1 15:54:40 <sgallagh> danofsatx: I'm in exactly the same boat. If we had to vote today, I'd vote for him. 15:54:54 <sgallagh> But I agree that we didn't really make the opening sufficiently widely known. 15:55:09 <sgallagh> (Who knows, maybe Linus would nominate himself ;-) ) 15:55:37 <danofsatx> heh....he'd probably loose. he's kinda busy elsewhere 15:56:25 <sgallagh> I'll be absolutely clear: I'm not against mjwolf at all. We just don't seem to have consensus yet and I think there's no harm in waiting a couple weeks. 15:56:48 <jds2001> sgallagh: same here 15:56:57 <danofsatx> agreed 15:57:27 <pbrobinson> I would question how suitable or committed a candidate is if they're not already on the server list and actively reading it 15:58:16 <adamw> +1 15:58:24 <sgallagh> pbrobinson: I'd love for that to be true, but the subscription count on the Server list is very small. 15:58:31 <sgallagh> I suspect we probably need to remind people that it exists. 15:59:03 <jds2001> pbrobinson: to be completely honest, i wasnt on the list prior to joining the WG 15:59:19 <jds2001> (more of an oversight than anything....) 16:00:05 <sgallagh> mizmo: This is kind of your area of expertise: how do we remind people that Server has its own list and that it's actively used? 16:00:30 <mizmo> well what kind of people do you want to reach 16:00:40 * adamw running blocker review, not really around any more 16:00:49 <sgallagh> mizmo: Fedora Contributors :) 16:01:58 <sgallagh> mizmo: Basically, anyone who might have a vested interest in the direction that Fedora Server goes and would want to have input on that direction 16:02:33 <mizmo> sgallagh: the fedora community blog is a good bet but you're already talking about that; devel@lists.fpo might be worthwhile too, and maybe the public anaconda list bc a lot of sysadmins follow that 16:03:51 <sgallagh> Ah, that last one wouldn't have been obvious to me. Thanks! 16:05:06 <sgallagh> OK, I saw a +5 on the April12/commblog proposal at least. 16:05:22 <sgallagh> So let's start there and see if we can use that to drum up some additional Server@ subs as well 16:06:38 <sgallagh> #agreed Accept additional nominations for Server WG seat until April 12th and issue a request for nominations on CommBlog. (+5, 0, -0) 16:07:37 <sgallagh> danofsatx, decause, mizmo: Can you two work together to try to hit both goals (nominations and wider knowledge of Server@)? 16:07:48 <sgallagh> just missed mizmo, I guess 16:08:13 <danofsatx> yeah, I'm on CommOps team, I'll drive it there 16:08:38 <sgallagh> Thanks 16:08:44 <sgallagh> Any other business? 16:09:22 <sgallagh> Then I guess it's time to sign off and wish you well. It's been quite a ride. 16:09:25 <sgallagh> #endmeeting