17:00:55 #startmeeting fedora-cloud 17:00:55 Meeting started Wed Apr 20 17:00:55 2016 UTC. The chair is jberkus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:55 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:55 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-cloud' 17:01:08 roll call 17:01:08 .fasinfo kushal 17:01:09 kushal: User: kushal, Name: Kushal Das, email: mail@kushaldas.in, Creation: 2006-02-17, IRC Nick: kushal, Timezone: Asia/Kolkata, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 9DD5346D, Status: active 17:01:12 kushal: Approved Groups: magazine commops +sysadmin-darkserver sysadmin-datanommer +sysadmin-fedimg marketing @gitpym @gitpathagar cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs packager docs cvsl10n gitliveusb-creator web gitfedora-web @gittranslation-filter sysadmin art gitfedoratv @gitgach @gitlekhonee @gitpony @git-boog @gitsparcy cla_fpca +python-sig +ambassadors gitspin-kickstarts nuancier-mentors 17:01:14 ooops 17:01:18 sorry for the flood 17:01:24 .hellomynameis kushal 17:01:25 kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' 17:01:26 .fasinfo goern 17:01:28 goern][: User: goern, Name: Christoph Görn, email: goern@B4mad.Net, Creation: 2010-10-18, IRC Nick: [GNU], Timezone: Europe/Berlin, Locale: en, GPG key ID: , Status: active 17:01:30 .hellomynameis misc 17:01:31 .hellomynameis dustymabe 17:01:31 goern][: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fpca 17:01:34 misc: misc 'None' 17:01:37 dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' 17:01:38 goern][, wrong command actually 17:01:46 .fas sayanchowdhury 17:01:46 sayan: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' 17:01:56 .hellomynameis goern 17:01:57 goern][: goern 'Christoph Görn' 17:02:25 .hello roshi 17:02:25 roshi: roshi 'Mike Ruckman' 17:02:37 .hello tflink 17:02:38 tflink: tflink 'Tim Flink' 17:02:52 meeting items here: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/report/9 17:03:00 plus one more from dustymabe 17:03:06 anyone else have an agenda item? 17:03:16 .fas jasonbrooks 17:03:16 jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' 17:03:20 jberkus, First the action items from the last meeting :) 17:03:38 jberkus: not really a item, but just wanted to discuss the openshift stuff, can wait for open floor :) 17:03:48 jberkus, also please add everyone present as chair :) 17:03:54 (or rather reiterate the announce I made on the list) 17:04:34 .chair kushal misc tflink dustymabe goern][ sayan roshi 17:04:34 jberkus: Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands. 17:04:45 jberkus, #chair 17:04:46 goern][: consider a new nick 17:04:52 #chair kushal misc tflink dustymabe goern][ sayan roshi 17:04:52 Current chairs: dustymabe goern][ jberkus kushal misc roshi sayan tflink 17:05:09 Thanks :) 17:05:19 how do I get to action items? meeting-wrangler is a bit opaque 17:05:32 Pasting now 17:05:39 jberkus: #action 17:05:40 * jzb create Wiki page for OpenShift work 17:05:40 * jberkus to update Fedora-Dockerfiles examples for Kubernetes (ticket 17:05:40 #125) 17:05:40 * imcleod wrangle karma for Factory updates (Ticket 131) 17:05:40 * imcleod take ticket 136 on vagrant file fixups 17:05:41 * kushal to drop a mail to the list after creating a ticket for new base 17:05:42 image release for f23 17:05:44 * kushal add flight info to FAD page 17:05:57 jberkus, generally we open up the last meeting's log, and copy paste from there. 17:05:58 jberkus, well, I dont always comply to zodbot, it has some broken behaviors 17:06:32 I found the newer cloud base images are breaking over vagrant randomly 17:06:39 .hello maxamillion 17:06:40 maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' 17:06:43 sorry for being late 17:07:13 jberkus: There's some of the key commands right at the top of this page for reference too: https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot 17:07:15 I think we should defer this till F24, and mean while just get the steps required in a wiki page which anyone from here can actually follow 17:07:17 #chair maxamillion 17:07:17 Current chairs: dustymabe goern][ jberkus kushal maxamillion misc roshi sayan tflink 17:07:18 .hellomynameis imcleod 17:07:19 imcleod: imcleod 'Ian McLeod' 17:07:19 wait, why is there a wiki page needed for openshift work? 17:07:26 #chair imcleod 17:07:26 Current chairs: dustymabe goern][ imcleod jberkus kushal maxamillion misc roshi sayan tflink 17:07:31 maxamillion: not the same openshift I think 17:07:39 oh right 17:07:43 we need a name for that project 17:07:44 maxamillion: likely the project of a openshift instance on cloud :) 17:07:58 (and the reason I am here, because I can't be here for donuts) 17:08:06 Fedora Hosted OpenShift or something 17:08:28 OpenShift Online by Fedora?! :) 17:08:43 ok, action items: does anyone know what that is? if not, punting to next meeting because jzb can't be here 17:08:48 For FAD, I have added the details from my side, but I had to copy paste hotel pricing from maxamillion's info 17:08:51 maxamillion: it sound good, but could we emphasize a bit more the "non prod" side of it ? 17:09:02 Generally anyone local figures out about the hotel iirc. 17:09:07 jberkus: the jzb item, yes, I know 17:09:24 Fedora OpenShift Playground? ... I don't really care about the naming 17:09:51 FOSP 17:09:58 #action jzb to create Wiki page for OpenShift work 17:10:21 next, FAD 17:10:26 wait 17:10:34 did we cover all previous items? 17:10:34 oh? 17:10:40 imcleod: had a couple 17:10:46 * imcleod wrangle karma for Factory updates (Ticket 131) 17:10:48 we could start by setting the topic, IIRC 17:10:50 * imcleod take ticket 136 on vagrant file fixups 17:11:04 oh I'm looking at a different ordering 17:11:16 #topic action items from last week 17:11:34 dustymabe: Factory update is now in stable for F23+ and epel6,7 17:11:42 also * kushal to drop a mail to the list after creating a ticket for new base image release for f23 17:11:42 dustymabe: Still need to sort out the vagrant file fixups. 17:12:00 imcleod: so you can close #131? 17:12:02 ok, taking Kushal's ordering: no progress on Kubernetes examples, deferring to next week 17:12:15 #action jberkus to create Kubernetes examples for Fedora. 17:12:36 Yes. Opening that up now. 17:12:57 ok kushal.. what about that item from you? 17:13:02 * kushal to drop a mail to the list after creating a ticket for new base image release for f23 17:13:11 did we get that? 17:14:27 did we lose him? 17:14:41 found the newer cloud base images are breaking over vagrant randomly 17:14:45 * I 17:14:52 the newere F23 cloud base images? 17:14:55 I think we should defer this till F24, and mean while just get the steps required in a wiki page which anyone from here can actually follow 17:15:01 dustymabe, Yes 17:15:13 dustymabe, in between they were not booting at all 17:15:20 kushal: please update the ticket that we are waiting for cloud base image monthly updates til f24 17:15:28 dustymabe, I will. 17:15:34 #action kushal to update ticket that we are waiting for cloud base image monthly updates til f24 17:15:46 dustymabe, I was typing that but you are fast :) 17:15:50 :) 17:17:11 ok, is that all of last week's action items? 17:17:19 i think so 17:17:29 well 17:17:33 we need to carry this one forward 17:17:44 which one? 17:17:45 where is the OSE on OpenStack work covered? 17:17:53 #action imcleod take ticket 136 on vagrant file fixups 17:18:02 FOSP work... 17:18:16 goern][: what do you mean by "covered" ? 17:18:18 .hello scollier 17:18:19 scollier: scollier 'Scott Collier' 17:18:23 dustymabe, sorry 17:18:28 #chair scollier 17:18:28 Current chairs: dustymabe goern][ imcleod jberkus kushal maxamillion misc roshi sayan scollier tflink 17:18:34 goern][: I assume that is the wiki page jzb was going to create 17:18:39 misc, I dont see an action item from last week, but puiterwijk is working on it 17:18:41 goern][: do you want to create a ticket for it 17:18:54 so we can track it better? 17:18:54 goern][: yeah, and I have also been asked to help 17:19:06 misc, ah, thats you :) 17:19:10 I didn't knnew jzb was tasked on the wiki page 17:19:16 #action goern][ to create ticket for Fedora OpenShift Playground (FOSP) work 17:19:23 \o/ 17:19:25 the name stuck 17:19:35 * maxamillion painted a bike shed today 17:19:38 maxamillion, just used it for you :) 17:19:43 :) 17:19:44 <3 17:20:16 ok, anything else on that? 17:20:44 do nt think so 17:21:02 (but as I said on the list I am gonna also discuss tomorow in fedora infra meeting) 17:21:13 ok, on to open tickets 17:21:20 misc, need any reprensentation from our side? 17:21:25 #topic open tickets 17:21:30 scollier: nope 17:21:38 https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/report/9 17:21:53 scollier: but you are welcome to join :) 17:21:58 misc, ack 17:22:03 Tickets 125, 131, 136 have been dealt with 17:22:11 jberkus: so usually we go through each ticket - I don't know if that is how you want to do it or not 17:22:11 ticket 115, FAD 17:22:29 ok that works 17:22:43 I have Kushal's costs, so I'll be starting the actual application today. 17:23:11 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Cloud_WG_2016 17:23:31 Likely it'll turn out that we need to prep more on deliverables, etc. is anyone available to help with that? 17:24:36 kushal: also, I clearly don't understand how hotel etc. comp works for this, so if anyone could give me pointers ... 17:25:47 finally, everyone should have gotten the statement on the FAD, North Carolina, and discriminatory laws. Per the email, you can contact me or the Fedora Diversity Advisor privately if you have concerns about attending 17:25:52 dustymabe: did you have a predefined list of deliverables you wanted to see from the FAD? I think you were originally driving this, yes? 17:26:05 iirc 17:26:47 maxamillion: yes, I was originally driving this (from last years flock) 17:26:47 there's a list of deliverables on the wiki page, I'd love to know how that needs to be improved 17:26:56 the desire is to be more organized as a group 17:27:03 ok, dustymabe to help on application 17:27:19 #action jberkus and dustymabe to submit FAD application 17:27:29 I believe jzb has some good input on the types of things we should achieve out of this meeting as well 17:27:37 jberkus, did you send that FAD/NC statement to a list? 17:27:40 alright 17:27:45 jbrooks: fedora-cloud 17:28:16 maxamillion, How did you find the hotel cost? 17:28:24 We will have to hotel details to the wiki 17:28:44 kushal: I went to a hotel website and started to book a room just to get a price estimate 17:28:56 Like number of people + rooms shared + days 17:28:58 maxamillion, Okay 17:29:15 Anyone from NC here who can suggest a hotel for FAD attendees? 17:29:19 May be near to tower 17:29:19 usually you can book the hotel without fear of having to pay as you can easily cancel with no penalty 17:29:21 in most cases 17:29:29 why would we not stay at the marriott/sheraton? 17:29:36 kushal: there is only 2 hotels near the tower, IIRC 17:29:40 we should have some discounts for RH at those, I'll ask 17:29:40 jberkus, We can, I just never been there. 17:29:57 maxamillion, if it is okay, I would love to share the room with you :) 17:30:04 misc, Okay, new information for me :) 17:30:10 yeah only two hotel options.. literally a minute walk from the tower 17:30:26 kushal: sounds good 17:30:36 kushal: I'm not the best room mate, I keep weird hours but I'm happy to share :) 17:30:43 kushal: there is more, but a bit far away, and that's Raleigh, so not a excess of public transportation 17:30:47 #action jberkus to update hotel information for FAD 17:31:03 ok, anything else on FAD? 17:31:31 ticket #138, produce cloud images monthly 17:31:34 kushal? 17:31:52 jberkus, I just updated before, I will put this on hold till 24 17:31:57 ah, ok 17:31:58 I already have an action item on this 17:32:21 kushal: ideally we would already have the complete process in place before F24 is even released 17:32:30 ticket 143: proposals for f24 features 17:32:35 this should be closed, yes? 17:32:42 that way we make sure to get any changes in releng that we need 17:33:14 what changes in releng? 17:33:27 maxamillion: anything that is needed 17:33:28 changes for f24 are closed, if it was needed for f24, it's too late 17:33:56 maxamillion: well this is for "updated" f24 cloud images (not atomic images, but should be the same or similar process) 17:34:27 dustymabe: that's not going to happen by f24 GA 17:34:52 maxamillion: that is ok i guess. as long as we can still make the changes after GA? 17:34:59 for updated builds 17:35:22 dustymabe: yes, since this isn't part of the blocking release deliverables and more of an off-shoot effort then there's a bit of freedom with that 17:35:47 ok 17:36:00 ok, so #143 still open? 17:36:07 we can sort out the details later, it's largely a matter of finding time to work on it or getting people to show up and do the work 17:36:30 ticket @147, don't overwrite locations. any updates on this? 17:37:04 also on the list of things I'll get to when I find time, otherwise it's going to remain blocked unless someone else wants to do some work 17:37:26 ok 17:37:27 maxamillion: I assume it's complicated 17:37:49 otherwise you would have already done it.. but writing up the high level steps might enable someone else to pick it up 17:37:55 * jberkus has looked at some of the koji code, and it's scary 17:38:06 dustymabe: it unfortunately is as a side effect of circumstantial badness that lead to a shitty design of process (I'll take my fair share of blame, but it is what it is) 17:38:28 ok. 17:38:38 there is a tweet in there somewhere 17:38:43 heh 17:39:43 #148 container guidelines 17:40:05 I am going to work on #148 this afternoon actually, it's the next thing on my list ... I hope to have an update to that ticket by the end of the day 17:40:14 there's a concern on the ticket that there's missing Fedora content in the Container Best Practices. Anyone know anything about that? 17:40:16 ok 17:40:38 #action maxamillion to update ticket 148, container best practices 17:41:37 Ticket 150, container refresh cadence 17:42:17 this one should have been closed, it was agreed upon in a previous meeting 17:42:33 ok 17:42:35 closing 17:42:41 any argument? 17:43:38 hmm, can someone with permissions close that ticket? 17:44:18 ticket #151, smoke testing requirements 17:44:23 this needs an owner 17:45:01 it's new 17:45:15 I closed ticket #150 17:45:21 who is acarter? 17:45:28 jberkus: Amanda Carter 17:45:32 ok 17:45:48 Fedora PM 17:45:59 do we have anyone on testing for containers? IIRC, we had a new contributor who was doing testing, no? 17:46:00 dustymabe: ehhhh ... Fedora Rel-Eng Tooling PM 17:46:46 don't everyone step forwards at once ... 17:46:57 haha.. sorry :( 17:47:05 kushal: who should own #151? 17:47:25 * kushal opens the ticket 17:47:29 dustymabe: I think jkurik is the over all Fedora PM, acarter is helping us make order from chaos for the next-gen releng stuff 17:47:35 I might roll over and die with my currnet (non Fedora) workload :( 17:47:43 s/currnet/currnet/ 17:47:48 jberkus, now I remember 17:48:05 jberkus, If Fedora QA wants then tflink can own it. 17:48:23 tflink: ? 17:48:30 jberkus, If we have to maintain it from the Cloud SIG/WG side, then one of us can volunteer. 17:48:50 jberkus, but I would wait to hear what tflink thinks. 17:49:11 * tflink is reading 17:49:50 not sure I know enough about docker to own that 17:50:23 wouldn't someone who's at least closer to being an expert be better for that? 17:50:37 well, right now it's more about making sure that requirements get written 17:50:43 than writing them 17:51:19 tflink: if you are familiar with smoke test requirements for other fedora things, you're ahead of me. the docker part is the easy part 17:51:24 I think we also need to identify who's going to write them 17:52:03 maxamillion, I thought they will be part of the generic runner, but may be I am wrong. 17:53:16 I don't think we're going to resolve this now, but can we get a ticket owner who will pester the WG to make sure that somethign happens on requirements? 17:54:16 I can do pestering but I'm not the best person to write the actual requirements 17:54:24 jberkus: does having the MEETING key word achieve that goal? 17:54:43 dustymabe: it might be good if something happened before next week 17:54:48 note that this kinda stems from a request of mine - feels a bit circular to end up being tasked with it 17:55:01 "pester the WG"? ... this *is* the WG, why can we not make a decision on this? 17:55:11 tflink: yeah 17:55:34 jberkus: give it to me, I'll own it and define it 17:55:45 maxamillion++ 17:55:50 maxamillion: links to "here's what a smoke test requirement looks like" 17:55:56 would be extremely helpful 17:56:09 maxamillion: I share your frustration. sorry I am part of the problem here 17:57:20 jberkus: what? 17:58:09 maxamillion: as in "what does the document testing needs look like"? 17:58:35 or are we talking about writing testing code? 17:59:06 jberkus: just documenting the testing needs, requirements, etc 17:59:18 jberkus: not actual writing of the test cases, at least not right now 17:59:25 ok what's left 17:59:30 we need to do open floor soon 17:59:33 that's it for tickets 17:59:46 so 17:59:50 #topic open floor 17:59:53 jberkus, need more volunteers: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud#Meetings 17:59:54 well,. someone filed a ticket during the session, but I'm going to take that for open floor 17:59:58 I know misc has something 18:00:03 and I have something as well 18:00:11 dustymabe: nope, it was covered at the start 18:00:14 yah, dustymabe first 18:00:15 ok 18:00:16 dustymabe: ? 18:00:24 (about the openshift stuff, since people seems to know about it already) 18:00:26 we need a Fedora Cloud Test day for F24 18:00:35 when can we do that? 18:01:02 https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/152 18:01:06 dustymabe, do you want to do that after beta or before? 18:01:06 please comment in the ticket 18:01:21 dustymabe, Okay 18:01:22 kushal: when is best? 18:01:34 the sooner you test, the more time you have to fix 18:01:42 dustymabe, before beta I guess, that will give us enough time to test and fix 18:02:10 right. my travel schedule is looking pretty much like I won't be able to participate the 1st 2 weeks of may 18:02:24 so would need to be next week if I'm going to be involved 18:02:35 dustymabe: hmm, I'm useless after May 13, myself 18:02:49 I could do next week 18:02:54 either way. whether I'm involved in the actual day. i will do testing and add my results 18:03:15 but would be great if we could get a number of members to hang out in the channel on the day of 18:03:35 kushal: do you mind running to ground what day we are going to do it and make an announcemnet? 18:03:56 dustymabe, okay, adding it to my todo list 18:04:05 scollier: had this item: need more volunteers: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud#Meetings 18:04:13 please sign up if you can chair a meeting! 18:04:23 and the last item I have is: what is our status for F24 right now 18:04:27 are all images building? 18:04:31 at least 18:04:53 and.. is our 2 week atomic tooling working for F24 already? 18:04:55 #action kushal to schedule Fedora Test Day for cloud 18:05:24 simpler, we need a chair for *next* meeting. can someone volunteer? 18:05:38 jberkus: I'll be travelling 18:05:40 :( 18:05:58 jberkus, I will do that. 18:06:00 maxamillion: do you know the status of 2WA tooling for F24 18:06:01 jberkus, i'll be at openstack summit.. 18:06:02 ok 18:06:03 Chairing the meeting that is. 18:06:12 dustymabe: yes, there are f24 images going into AutoCloud 18:06:20 ok, we're overtime, so we need to end the meeting ... 18:06:31 maxamillion: so we are good to go for the first 2weeks after f24 release? 18:06:32 good 18:06:36 that's all I had 18:06:37 dustymabe: yes 18:06:39 ok 18:06:47 just trying to make sure we don't have any large issues to overcome for F24 18:06:47 ending in 5 4 3 18:07:10 .endmeeting 18:07:15 #endmeeting