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17:02:33 <scollier> Hello everyone.
17:02:41 <dustymabe> [GNU]: if you stopped chaning your name maybe you would
17:02:45 <jbrooks> .hello jasonbrooks
17:02:46 <zodbot> jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' <JBROOKS@REDHAT.COM>
17:02:46 <dustymabe> changing :)
17:02:50 <scollier> .hello scollier
17:02:52 <zodbot> scollier: scollier 'Scott Collier' <emailscottcollier@gmail.com>
17:02:56 <[GNU]> .hello goern
17:02:57 <dustymabe> .hellomynameis dustymabe
17:02:57 <zodbot> [GNU]: goern 'Christoph Görn' <goern@B4mad.Net>
17:03:00 <zodbot> dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' <dustymabe@redhat.com>
17:03:04 <jberkus> .hello jberkus
17:03:05 <zodbot> jberkus: jberkus 'Josh Berkus' <josh@agliodbs.com>
17:03:07 <trishnag> .hello trishnag
17:03:08 <zodbot> trishnag: trishnag 'Trishna Guha' <trishnaguha17@gmail.com>
17:03:13 <tflink> .hello tflink
17:03:14 <zodbot> tflink: tflink 'Tim Flink' <tflink@redhat.com>
17:03:14 <dustymabe> trishnag: \o/
17:03:17 <scollier> #chair scollier jbrooks goern dustymabe kushal jberkus trishnag tflink
17:03:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: dustymabe goern jberkus jbrooks kushal scollier tflink trishnag
17:03:19 <[GNU]> dustymabe, if zodbot the emperor is good with my nick-fas_account mapping you should be too :P
17:03:26 <scollier> #chair scollier jbrooks goern dustymabe kushal jberkus trishnag tflink [GNU]
17:03:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: [GNU] dustymabe goern jberkus jbrooks kushal scollier tflink trishnag
17:03:29 <chandankumar> .hello chandankumar
17:03:30 <zodbot> chandankumar: chandankumar 'Chandan Kumar' <chkumar246@gmail.com>
17:03:36 <trishnag> dustymabe, o/
17:03:39 <scollier> #chair scollier jbrooks goern dustymabe kushal jberkus trishnag tflink [GNU] chandankumar
17:03:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: [GNU] chandankumar dustymabe goern jberkus jbrooks kushal scollier tflink trishnag
17:03:43 <scollier> anyone else/
17:04:12 <dustymabe> chandankumar: hi!
17:04:23 <scollier> ok, let's get started by reviewing the open tickets, then we'll look at last weeks action items, then we'll roundtable.
17:04:38 <dustymabe> scollier: I like your style already
17:04:42 <chandankumar> dustymabe, Hello
17:04:44 <scollier> ticket report is listed here: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/report/9
17:04:59 <scollier> let's run through them, starting with https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/115
17:05:08 <scollier> dustymabe, any updates?
17:05:23 <jberkus> scollier: the FAD has been submitted and is awaiting approval
17:05:32 <scollier> jberkus, from?
17:05:37 <jberkus> Council
17:05:56 <jberkus> lemme update the ticket with a link to the council ticket, momemnt
17:05:58 <dustymabe> jberkus: thanks so much
17:06:07 <scollier> jberkus, excellent
17:06:18 <scollier> #action jberkus to update ticket 115 with current status
17:06:27 <dustymabe> everyone please show appreciation to jberkus for this the next time you see him in person or virtually
17:06:59 <scollier> yes, thanks jberkus.
17:07:02 <jberkus> scollier: done
17:07:06 <scollier> next on the list is: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/125
17:07:12 <scollier> jberkus, back to you sir.
17:07:55 <jberkus> still pending, nothing to report.  likely getting done as part of my summit demos, so a realistic deadline is mid-June.
17:08:21 <scollier> jberkus, ack, curious, how do you plan on organizing these?
17:08:33 <jberkus> scollier: probably just a list of examples
17:08:44 <jberkus> in a repo, unless someone as a better idea?
17:09:09 <jbrooks> They could live in Fedora-Dockerfiles
17:09:10 <scollier> jberkus, i like that.  think it's worth collecting a list and prioritizing?
17:09:21 <scollier> jberkus, from the larger group
17:09:39 <sayan> .hello sayanchowdhury
17:09:39 <scollier> i think one obvious one people understand, that exercises a bit of functionality is wordpress...
17:09:40 <zodbot> sayan: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' <sayan.chowdhury2012@gmail.com>
17:09:44 <jberkus> scollier: only if people are willing to write them
17:09:48 <kushal> Was disconnected :(
17:09:57 <scollier> #chair scollier jbrooks goern dustymabe kushal jberkus trishnag tflink [GNU] sayan
17:09:57 <zodbot> Current chairs: [GNU] chandankumar dustymabe goern jberkus jbrooks kushal sayan scollier tflink trishnag
17:10:00 <kushal> .hellomynameis kushal
17:10:01 <zodbot> kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' <mail@kushaldas.in>
17:10:04 <jbrooks> There's overlap w/ already-done work by the nulecule folks
17:10:09 <jberkus> scollier: I'm not into having other folks tell me what to create, becuase I already hsve stuff I'm working on
17:10:17 <jbrooks> like wordpress
17:10:20 <scollier> jberkus, understood.
17:10:21 <jberkus> jbrooks: yeah, I was gonna port some the nulecule examples ...
17:10:36 <[GNU]> so we put a kubernetes directory in each of the https://github.com/fedora-cloud/Fedora-Dockerfiles/ directories?
17:10:36 <scollier> jberkus, at any rate, happy to review them once you make some progress.
17:10:59 <[GNU]> jberkus, there is a wordpress in Fedora-Dockerfiles :) why not extend that one?
17:11:12 * kushal is going to update how to run meeting section of the wiki page.
17:11:19 <jbrooks> jberkus, might make sense even to do this via nulecule
17:11:26 <jberkus> scollier: so, question: is there a reason to NOT use nulecule/atomicapp for this?  that is, a reason why we want pure-Kubernetes?
17:11:28 <scollier> kushal, what are you saying man ;)
17:11:28 <jbrooks> atomicapp is part of fedora, after all
17:11:28 <kushal> Hopefully that will be helpful.
17:11:42 <jberkus> would help me to know what it is
17:11:48 <scollier> jberkus, there's use cases for both, i think nulecule creates a portable format.
17:12:00 <[GNU]> jberkus, pure kube is on the development path to nuleculization
17:12:12 <kushal> jbrooks, We have asked for a nulecule example before.
17:12:28 <kushal> jbrooks, rtnpro tried to have, but he said it will be duplicate of work.
17:12:36 <jbrooks> https://github.com/projectatomic/nulecule-library/tree/master/wordpress-centos7-atomicapp/artifacts/kubernetes
17:13:15 <dustymabe> so i'm here.. just thinking
17:13:43 <dustymabe> I think in any form having kube files will help us down the road. whether they are in nulecules or just plain raw
17:13:47 <dustymabe> so either way works for now
17:13:53 <dustymabe> just getting content is useful
17:14:00 <scollier> ack
17:14:05 <[GNU]> true
17:14:54 <scollier> lets add comments / thoughts to the ticket for jberkus
17:15:07 <jzb> apologies, just got back from lunch
17:15:07 <scollier> moving to next ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/136
17:15:15 <dustymabe> jzb: \o/
17:15:22 <scollier> #chair scollier jbrooks goern dustymabe kushal jberkus trishnag tflink [GNU] sayan jzb
17:15:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: [GNU] chandankumar dustymabe goern jberkus jbrooks jzb kushal sayan scollier tflink trishnag
17:15:25 <scollier> hiya jzb
17:15:46 <scollier> Ian isn't around for 136
17:15:57 <scollier> any thoughts dustymabe?
17:16:07 <dustymabe> scollier: I can ask Ian about this tomorrow maybe
17:16:12 <dustymabe> he is here with us in India
17:16:14 <kushal> scollier, He must be enjoying the Indian heat
17:16:21 <dustymabe> either way probably won't make f24
17:16:22 <kushal> dustymabe, :)
17:16:26 <scollier> dustymabe, where are those vagrantfiles?
17:16:41 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion
17:16:42 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' <maxamillion@gmail.com>
17:16:51 <maxamillion> sorry, I've been semi-here but am double booked right now
17:16:52 <scollier> #chair scollier jbrooks goern dustymabe kushal jberkus trishnag tflink [GNU] sayan jzb maxamillion
17:16:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: [GNU] chandankumar dustymabe goern jberkus jbrooks jzb kushal maxamillion sayan scollier tflink trishnag
17:17:26 <kushal> scollier, inside the code of imagefactory iirc
17:17:43 <scollier> kushal, what does that mean?  we don't distribute them?
17:17:50 <dustymabe> scollier: what Vagrantfiles?
17:18:02 <dustymabe> ahh yes
17:18:06 <dustymabe> inside of imagefactory
17:18:08 <scollier> dustymabe, the vagrantfiles referenced in 136
17:18:37 <kushal> scollier, they get automagically added into the image as a reference iirc.
17:18:39 <dustymabe> there is an open ticket for being able to specify a vagrantfile as input to magefactory
17:18:53 <dustymabe> that will replace the embedded vagrantfile
17:19:03 <scollier> dustymabe, ok.
17:19:17 <scollier> dustymabe, so, we can wait until ian is back for update on that.
17:19:20 <scollier> next ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/143
17:19:25 <scollier> kushal ^
17:19:52 <kushal> scollier, Are we discussing the tickets from trac?
17:19:58 <scollier> kushal, yup
17:20:15 <dustymabe> kushal: so rtpro's package had some issues
17:20:24 <kushal> dustymabe, Yes, he told me today.
17:20:30 <dustymabe> I opened issues upstream
17:20:36 <kushal> dustymabe, Thanks.
17:20:40 <dustymabe> we probably won't make f24 :(
17:20:52 <dustymabe> but the good news is that if we start releasing monthly it won't matter much
17:21:10 <kushal> dustymabe, and atomic is 2 weeks anyway
17:21:25 <dustymabe> right, but motd is for more than just atomic
17:21:40 <kushal> dustymabe, Yes.
17:22:38 <kushal> scollier, So, no other update on that ticket.
17:22:41 <scollier> kushal, can we go in and mark those items off the list that are completed?
17:22:47 <scollier> kushal, and ones that are blocked?
17:23:05 <kushal> scollier, I think we can just update the ticket with those details.
17:23:24 <scollier> ok, and there's two lists, comment 4 and 7
17:23:49 <scollier> kushal, thanks
17:23:56 <scollier> next ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/147
17:24:15 <scollier> don't overwrite download location
17:24:16 <dustymabe> yeah we should get status from people on the other items
17:24:40 <scollier> dustymabe, agree.  maybe list owner by item
17:24:52 <dustymabe> item by owner?
17:25:04 <scollier> i think so dustymabe
17:25:10 <dustymabe> kushal: can you do that? ^^
17:25:18 <kushal> scollier, feel free to update the topic for each ticket.
17:25:21 <dustymabe> I think I know them all but I'm not sure
17:25:22 <kushal> dustymabe, Okay, I will do that.
17:25:35 <dustymabe> nzwulfin was one of them I think
17:25:43 <dustymabe> maxamillion was one. etc..
17:25:50 <kushal> scollier, dustymabe One issue, not everyone replied to my mail when I asked about changes in the list.
17:26:01 <scollier> #action kushal to associate the items to owners in ticket 143
17:26:03 <kushal> scollier, so the wiki page only have 3 items listed.
17:26:08 <dustymabe> kushal: did you ask about the status of changes?
17:26:18 <kushal> dustymabe, I know only for those 3
17:26:37 <kushal> and the atomic developer mode
17:26:49 <kushal> anyway I will ask around
17:26:54 <dustymabe> matt mincene was one of them
17:26:54 <kushal> Please go ahead to the next ticket.
17:26:56 <dustymabe> right?
17:27:02 <kushal> dustymabe, Yes.
17:27:03 <dustymabe> gluster, etc..
17:27:07 <scollier> kushal, ack, thanks.
17:27:14 <scollier> next ticket is https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/147
17:27:23 <scollier> maxamillion, any thoughts on that one?
17:27:44 <kushal> #topic Don't overwrite download location for 2 week atomic images https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/147
17:27:50 <dustymabe> scollier: I think he has said in the past we'll punt that one til after f24
17:27:57 <dustymabe> so move to next ticket
17:28:08 <scollier> dustymabe, ok.  we should update that ticket ;)
17:28:23 <scollier> next ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/148
17:28:37 <scollier> Container "Packager" Guildelines and Naming Conventions
17:28:56 <kushal> #topic Container "Packager" Guildelines and Naming Conventions https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/148
17:29:05 <dustymabe> maxamillion: ^^
17:29:12 <kushal> There is an active discussion in the fedora-devel list
17:29:13 <scollier> kushal, ok, i'll do that, was wondering how you were calling that.
17:29:23 <kushal> scollier, check the pm :)
17:29:43 <scollier> kushal, yup, looks like it's waiting on fesco
17:29:51 <scollier> ok, moving on.
17:29:57 <maxamillion> it's not waiting on fesco
17:30:01 <kushal> scollier, I think FESCo asked to get feedback from everyone on devel list.
17:30:05 <maxamillion> there's a discussion on devel list
17:30:07 <maxamillion> +1
17:30:13 <maxamillion> I'll update the ticket
17:30:25 <scollier> ah, ok maxamillion, thanks.
17:31:02 <scollier> #topic  Need owner to define basic container smoke testing requirements https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/151
17:31:27 <scollier> jberkus, ^
17:31:34 <kushal> We have the initial tests related to docker from maxamillion
17:31:55 <scollier> kushal, where is that listed?
17:31:57 <jberkus> kushal: so is this ticket about testing *docker* or abotu testing *images*?  it's been completely unclear
17:32:05 <kushal> Still question is: Do we want to run some common tests in every image?
17:32:29 <maxamillion> scollier: it's in the wiki ... but we're also going to be adding other things based on feedback from QA
17:32:30 <scollier> kushal, well, IMO, it would help to have a jenkins job that tests every image automagically once it's built.
17:32:42 <maxamillion> scollier: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Draft/Docker
17:32:47 <tflink> i thought the consensus was that there are no common tests we could run on all images
17:32:48 * scollier reads
17:32:53 <kushal> jberkus, It is about testing images, but we have to make sure that docker also gets tested for our usecases.
17:33:00 <jberkus> so we will need to have a custom test script or at least run parameters for each image
17:33:04 <tflink> scollier: the current plan is to run all tasks written for a given image when it's produced
17:33:06 <scollier> kushal, i would keep those separate
17:33:07 <jberkus> is there a way within the testing framework to do that?
17:33:10 <kushal> tflink, Just wanted to ask once more loudly :)
17:33:15 <maxamillion> scollier: there's going to be a taskotron task that automatically tests an image when the build goes in, guidelines for those tests are what the improvements to the Draft is about
17:33:24 <scollier> tflink, who creates teh task?
17:33:27 <tflink> jberkus: under development, still working out some of the details
17:33:47 <tflink> scollier: the creator of the layered image, I think. nobody else makes sense to me
17:33:54 <maxamillion> scollier: the tasks are created automatically, the image owner will be responsible for providing tests
17:34:06 <scollier> maxamillion, tflink, ok
17:34:10 <scollier> maxamillion, tflink, are there templates for tests?
17:34:19 <scollier> to make it easier on the owner?
17:34:31 <tflink> scollier: templates, no. examples, yes
17:34:47 <maxamillion> scollier: not currently, there will be guidelines but creating templates for testing things in docker containers is like providing a testing template for shell scripts ... I'm not sure the methodology applies
17:34:53 <tflink> we can look into templates once we have some better definition of "what is being tested and what is needed"
17:35:03 <maxamillion> tflink: +
17:35:05 <maxamillion> +1
17:35:07 <scollier> ack
17:35:08 <maxamillion> I can't type :/
17:35:23 <scollier> i think a pattern applies: run image, check port, check app...
17:35:27 <tflink> the functionality needed in Taskotron is almost done, waiting on a few reviews and library to be packaged
17:35:35 <scollier> tflink, excellent.
17:35:44 <scollier> so, jberkus are you good here?
17:35:44 <tflink> er, a library to be packaged
17:36:24 <maxamillion> tflink: if you need package reviews, feel free to ping me and I'll gladly help there
17:36:25 <tflink> the current plan is to initially provide 2 types of examples: one that uses a bash script to poke at the image and the other using py.test or unittest to build a more formalized test case/suite
17:36:27 <jberkus> scollier: yes, seems like tflink and maxamillion are on it
17:36:32 <scollier> tflink, maxamillion would you mind braindumping some of this into the ticket?
17:36:36 <tflink> maxamillion: thanks, will do
17:36:53 <jberkus> once we have a structure for this, we need to doc how to write the tests
17:36:55 <tflink> scollier: can do, was waiting for some input from kushal before i wrote much more down
17:37:03 <tflink> agreed
17:37:03 <maxamillion> tflink: +1
17:37:09 <scollier> excellent
17:37:27 <scollier> #action kushal to work with tflink on smoke tests
17:37:29 <scollier> #topic Fedora Coud Test Day for F24 https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/152
17:37:45 <kushal> I just added the wiki page for the same
17:37:47 <tflink> everything is still pretty vague but I think we're getting closer to being able to do some testing :)
17:37:48 <scollier> looks like kushal has updated the ticket, got hte wiki updated
17:38:08 <scollier> tflink, i've been struggling with testing images for fedora-dockerfiles.. forever.
17:38:22 <kushal> Can someone please update the right components in bugzilla in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2016_05_10_Cloud ?
17:38:35 <tflink> scollier: yeah, from what I can tell, pretty much everyone is struggling with that to a certain extent :-/
17:38:56 <kushal> Tomorrow I will work with the community members to write down some more tests, which we can then add into http://testdays.fedorainfracloud.org/events/7
17:38:57 <jzb> dustymabe: did we ever get the needed Karma for Docker?
17:39:00 <dustymabe> kushal: can you find the old test day info create a template from that
17:39:05 <scollier> kushal, who would do that?
17:39:10 <dustymabe> jzb: we need one more +1 :)
17:39:14 <jzb> dustymabe: OK
17:39:28 <jzb> dustymabe: I just put F24 beta on my new laptop
17:39:30 <kushal> scollier, anyone who wants to update :) Otherwise I will do that edit later tomorrow
17:39:31 <jzb> well, pre-beta
17:39:40 <kushal> Btw, 2016-05-10 is the test day :)
17:39:55 <kushal> #info 2016-05-10 is the Fedora Cloud Test day
17:40:04 <kushal> dustymabe, Okay, thanks.
17:40:12 <scollier> great.  all good here kushal?
17:40:18 <jzb> we need to publish the heck out of that.
17:40:27 <jzb> #action jzb write posts for Fedora Cloud Test day.
17:40:35 <scollier> thanks jzb
17:40:40 <kushal> jzb, I will ping you tomorrow evening, I should be having everything set for that.
17:40:52 <kushal> scollier, yes, go ahead to next ticket
17:40:58 <scollier> #topic   design, deploy and document Fedora OpenShift Playground (FOSP)    https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/153
17:41:13 <scollier> [GNU], ^ puiterwijk ^
17:41:24 <[GNU]> ja, thats just a tracker for what jzb and maxamillion are doing
17:41:46 <kushal> I think misc sent a mail to the list on the same.
17:41:57 <puiterwijk> scollier: misc sent an email to the infra list asking which binaries to pick
17:41:57 <kushal> Or may be I am wrong and just dreamed about it.
17:42:09 <puiterwijk> But I think he had a thorough plan of what to do and got some parts setup
17:42:13 <scollier> kushal, yes, do we know if there's a ticket on the fed-infra side for this?  puiterwijk
17:42:20 <scollier> puiterwijk, i will reply to that email today
17:42:27 <maxamillion> [GNU]: I'm not a part of that
17:42:37 <scollier> #action scollier to follow up on misc email for FOSP
17:42:58 <maxamillion> everytime that comes up, I'm brought into it ... I have nothing to do with it, I don't know what's going one, please everyone stop pinging me about it
17:43:07 <maxamillion> on*
17:43:11 <scollier> maxamillion, ;/
17:43:18 <kushal> maxamillion, :)
17:43:18 <maxamillion> like every other day I get a ping about it
17:43:32 <maxamillion> I don't know!! :(
17:43:34 <maxamillion> <3
17:43:56 <jzb> scollier: I was calling it FOOT
17:43:59 <dustymabe> maxamillion: sorry. I think we associate you with openshift too much
17:44:12 <scollier> jzb, for?
17:44:31 <[GNU]> jzb, followup on other ticket?
17:44:56 <scollier> puiterwijk, misc, is there fedora infrastructure ticket?  if so, we can link to that from our side.
17:45:02 <jzb> scollier: Fedora OpenShift Origin Testbed
17:45:12 <maxamillion> dustymabe: which is totally fine, <3 me some openshift ... I'm just very ignorant as to what's going on with that specific project
17:45:13 <scollier> jzb, ah.
17:45:28 <puiterwijk> scollier: I don't think so yet.
17:45:36 <jzb> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/OpenShift_Origin_Testbed
17:45:50 <scollier> jzb, nice!
17:45:54 <jzb> I have not filled much out on that. And we can change it if FOSP is preferred.
17:46:00 <puiterwijk> I think we decided to have just one ticket so all discussions go to a single place, and since there's nothing directly needed from infra other than me and misc
17:46:03 * jbrooks likes FOOT
17:46:10 <scollier> jzb, i'll add that to the ticket, maybe we can fill it out a bit.
17:46:20 <jbrooks> We can talk about how it doesn't smell right, etc
17:46:35 <maxamillion> +1
17:46:37 <scollier> puiterwijk, fine here.  so we can just use the ticket referenced here.
17:46:38 <dustymabe> FOOT/FOSP - both are catchy. FOOT is fine
17:46:46 <scollier> ok, no more feet.
17:46:48 <puiterwijk> scollier: fine with me
17:46:49 <scollier> #topic make Fedora Atomic download page clearer https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/154
17:46:49 <jbrooks> also, we can discuss arches
17:47:02 <dustymabe> Testbed sounds a little more like its for automated testing
17:47:11 <dustymabe> playground sounds more for experimentation :)
17:47:12 <scollier> this is jberkus and kushal
17:47:16 <jzb> FOOP?
17:47:19 <dustymabe> haha
17:47:22 <maxamillion> there's a lot of stuff with "OSP" in it and it's possibly ambiguous with OpenStack Platform, FOOT is probably better
17:47:31 <dustymabe> FOOT++
17:47:39 <kushal> jberkus, I think now you have find someone from the website team to update the pages.
17:47:43 <maxamillion> jzb: POOF !
17:47:55 <scollier> maxamillion, just like data
17:47:55 <maxamillion> Playground for OpenShift Origin on Fedora .... somethimg something
17:48:03 <jberkus> kushal: so I don't know anything about how the fedora web infra works
17:48:04 <jzb> I like
17:48:19 <maxamillion> just paint the bikeshed so we can move on ;)
17:48:39 <jzb> kushal: if it doesn't involve really complex stuffs we can just clone the repo and submit patches to the Website team.
17:48:41 <kushal> jberkus, ask for help in #fedora-websites
17:48:48 <jzb> they're super-happy (I think) when we just send a patch.
17:48:54 <jberkus> ok
17:48:59 <jberkus> jzb: what's the platform?
17:49:00 <kushal> jzb, we can do that too, I prefer to stay away from HTML+CSS
17:49:06 <jzb> pagure
17:49:20 <jzb> https://pagure.io/fedora-websites
17:49:27 <jzb> I believe that has the pages we are looking for.
17:50:03 <jberkus> time to create a fedora-website atomic app ;-)
17:50:36 <scollier> ok
17:50:45 <scollier> tow more tickets, 10 minutes
17:51:06 <maxamillion> go go go
17:51:09 <scollier> #topic Decide on post-GA update cadence for various deliverables https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/155
17:51:24 <scollier> this one was created by maxamillion
17:51:29 <maxamillion> o hai
17:51:54 <scollier> list of deliverables: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Program_Management/Updating_deliverables/Fedora24#updating_deliverables
17:52:19 <scollier> maxamillion, these are guidelines, no?
17:52:34 <scollier> maxamillion, like the docker base image has exceptions for security reasons?
17:52:43 <scollier> or does the user have to update a running image?
17:52:52 <maxamillion> scollier: yes, but we need at least a target "normal" cadence of releases
17:52:53 <kushal> Looks good to me.
17:52:58 <scollier> ack
17:53:00 <dustymabe> there are some question marks
17:53:13 <maxamillion> scollier: currently we're planning ad-hoc based on high sev security but details are still being sorted
17:53:26 <scollier> maxamillion, ack.  that's good
17:53:47 <maxamillion> basically Atomic Repos and Atomic Installer Image are the only '?' left (refresh the page, I just updated)
17:53:47 <scollier> maxamillion, for the atomic images, are those not on 2 week cycles?
17:53:48 <dustymabe> should the atomic ISO and the atomic cloud image say 2 weeks?
17:53:54 <maxamillion> scollier: they are
17:53:57 <kushal> dustymabe, yes I think
17:54:03 <maxamillion> the Atomic ISO currently gets no testing
17:54:06 <maxamillion> well, that's not true
17:54:11 <maxamillion> it gets no post-install testing
17:54:15 <kushal> maxamillion, it does in OpenQA
17:54:20 <kushal> maxamillion, True
17:54:50 <kushal> maxamillion, I will ping you about it later.
17:54:53 <maxamillion> and there have been issues in the past with anaconda where the install passed but the storage config was messed up but it wasn't noticeable until post-install reboot
17:54:57 <maxamillion> kushal: alright
17:55:03 <scollier> excelelnt
17:55:04 <scollier> one more
17:55:05 <lmacken> maxamillion: yeah, that has been fixed, I believe.
17:55:13 <maxamillion> lmacken: it has
17:55:15 <lmacken> because it wasn't installing to a volume < 40G or something
17:55:26 <lmacken> >40G, rather
17:55:27 <maxamillion> lmacken: but we have no automated testing in place that would have caught that
17:55:30 <maxamillion> caught*
17:55:34 <lmacken> right.
17:55:46 * lmacken caught it :P
17:55:54 <kushal> lmacken++
17:55:54 <zodbot> kushal: Karma for lmacken changed to 10 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:56:00 <scollier> maxamillion, do we have a list of things we want to test, and the tests need to be written by someone?
17:56:12 <kushal> scollier, should be the same of normal atomic images.
17:56:15 <maxamillion> Atomic Repos ... do we want those to be constantly updated daily just like the RPM repos or do we want that to follow the two-week release? (The Atomic team has said they'd like to see an option stream of 2 week cadence but I'm open to suggestion here)
17:56:19 <scollier> kushal, oh
17:56:46 <kushal> maxamillion, I say update only in 2 weeks.
17:56:49 <tflink> kushal: true but I think the method of running them is a bit different, no?
17:57:04 <kushal> maxamillion, Unless there is a security update.
17:57:05 <tflink> ie, installing with anaconda and then running vs. starting an image
17:57:12 <dustymabe> maxamillion: is there a problem with doing it like we do today?
17:57:13 <maxamillion> tflink: +1
17:57:22 <maxamillion> dustymabe: not that I know of, no
17:57:33 <kushal> tflink, I was talking about the tests after the installation is done.
17:57:39 <maxamillion> dustymabe: but there's been requests for something different in the past so it was brought up from a scheduling standpoint
17:57:57 <dustymabe> right. I think I saw walters request something like this in the past
17:57:57 <kushal> tflink, maxamillion That user experience should be the same of any other atomic user.
17:57:59 <scollier> 3 minutes.
17:58:04 <dustymabe> I can't remember the reasons
17:58:12 <tflink> kushal: yeah, just trying to add detail - the tests may be the same from a high level but there are pretty big differences in the details of how they need to be run
17:58:34 <kushal> tflink, yes, I was not saying anything about that part.
17:58:35 <maxamillion> kushal: +1
17:58:38 <maxamillion> dustymabe: I can't either
17:58:48 <maxamillion> dustymabe: I think there's a releng ticket about it, I'd have to go looking for it
17:58:58 <maxamillion> we can table this if needed though, it's not urgent
17:59:08 <maxamillion> I'll get more information on the atomic repos and add to the ticket
17:59:14 <kushal> 1 minute :)
17:59:14 <scollier> maxamillion, thanks.
17:59:18 <dustymabe> maxamillion: maybe the idea is  to have more testing on the tree before we release it
17:59:21 <dustymabe> or something
17:59:31 <scollier> ok, 1 minutes round table. :(
17:59:39 <scollier> sorry about that folks.
17:59:49 <dustymabe> open floor?
17:59:51 <scollier> yup
17:59:59 <dustymabe> anyone have anything?
18:00:10 <kushal> From 25th to 12th i will be in US for PyCon+Cloud FAD
18:00:10 <maxamillion> dustymabe: but there won't be any more testing, it all gets the same testing nightly
18:00:12 * tflink has one quick thing
18:00:22 <kushal> We need chairs to help on those days.
18:00:31 <dustymabe> I want to bring up that the cloud base and cloud base vagrant images are now using extlinux
18:00:36 <kushal> maxamillion, we have to book hotel :)
18:00:41 <kushal> dustymabe, yay :)
18:00:49 <scollier> alright folks.  we are at time.
18:00:57 <scollier> let's move back to fedora-cloud
18:00:57 <dustymabe> this could be a good or a bad thing depending on how you look at it
18:01:01 <kushal> http://209.132.184.119/compose
18:01:02 <tflink> i've heard little bits about a setup to do automated testing on docker in fedora - if anyone knows about it, could you let me know so I know where to direct people when i get questions about it
18:01:08 <scollier> thanks everyone, we'll pick up next week.
18:01:10 <kushal> ^^ new web ui for compose based autocloud
18:01:17 <scollier> #endmeeting