15:01:12 #startmeeting Server Working Group Weekly Meeting (2016-06-21) 15:01:12 Meeting started Tue Jun 21 15:01:12 2016 UTC. The chair is mjwolf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:12 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:01:12 The meeting name has been set to 'server_working_group_weekly_meeting_(2016-06-21)' 15:01:27 #chair danofsatx nirik stefw adamw simi mhayden jds2001 mjwolf hanthana 15:01:27 Current chairs: adamw danofsatx hanthana jds2001 mhayden mjwolf nirik simi stefw 15:01:34 .hello jstanley 15:01:36 jds2001: jstanley 'Jon Stanley' 15:02:00 * nirik is here, but also not here dealing with fedora 24 release day stuff. 15:03:23 .hello mhayden 15:03:24 mhayden: mhayden 'Major Hayden' 15:03:40 * mhayden hears this fedora 24 stuff is good 15:04:31 * jds2001 does too 15:05:19 * mjwolf wonders if there will be a quorum today 15:06:29 .fas linuxmodder 15:06:29 linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' 15:06:44 may be in and out monitor seeder for GA 15:08:20 .hello adamwill 15:08:21 adamw: adamwill 'Adam Williamson' 15:09:52 Not sure if 5 is enough or not 15:10:12 but also I was on vacation last week and did not send out an agenda request email 15:10:12 5/9 is fine i think 15:10:26 well 5/8, which should be an agenda item :) 15:11:34 #topic open position 15:12:41 so simo stepped down 15:12:51 * jds2001 thanks him for his service :) 15:13:56 +1 15:14:25 so the next step is for an email to go to the list asking for interested parties/candidates correct? 15:14:54 yeah 15:15:31 I can do that if no one else wants to 15:15:57 sounds like a plan :) 15:16:33 #action mjwolf will send out a note asking for interested people to join the working group 15:18:22 what is the current status of F-24? Did I miss the announce? 15:18:33 released today :) 15:18:58 the validation tests passed 15:19:05 ok that was the schedule. I thought I normally saw emails about that. I will keep my eyes open for that 15:19:21 i seem to recall some mention of a possible freeipa bug, but i can't find the reference any more 15:19:45 * adamw gonna upgrade his freeipa server and see how it goes 15:20:01 adamw: I think you're talking about the nss/freeipa bug that was at risk of hitting at 0day, but I think it was fixed thanks to the slip. 15:20:48 leaches abound 15:21:00 /me returns to pretending he doesn't attend this meeting anymore 15:21:01 I'm seeing action on all seeds I'm pushing atm 15:21:41 sgallagh, you may have stepped down but you still love us its okay 15:22:36 sgallagh: no, that wasn't it. never mind, i'll find it if i can. 15:22:41 ko 15:24:39 #topic open questions 15:24:44 sgallagh: do you have anything for us on the openshift thingy? 15:24:56 * jds2001 saw rumblings on the cloud ML 15:25:57 jds2001: Mostly that the Cloud WG is strongly looking at making a complete OpenShift solution their primary strategy, so that would lend a strong argument in favor of retooling Server Roles to be OpenShift Apps. 15:26:41 i guess the question is where does that leave the server WG? 15:26:49 making these openshift apps? 15:26:57 or making something else? Or both? 15:29:36 That is the great existential question at the heart of Fedora Server right now, I think 15:29:48 And it's pretty much the WG's job description to figure that out 15:30:29 * jds2001 is deafened by the silence.....anyone? 15:31:20 not to sound buck-pass-y, but i'm just here for the QA 15:31:23 * jds2001 says both. We probably need to update the PRD in order to shift the direction. 15:31:29 so i'm kinda...buck-passing 15:31:47 buck accepted, i guess? :D 15:32:05 but I think that we need a product for pets. 15:32:27 as much as i would like it to be the case, we can't have all cattle. 15:32:45 and i think we need to cater to both use-cases 15:33:15 thoughts? 15:33:48 use cases in the sense of basic/traditional servers vs openshift apps? 15:33:57 yeah 15:33:58 well, i agree, but for a lot of cattle cases, a minimal install is a perfectly fine 'pets' product 15:34:02 er 15:34:05 a lot of pets cases 15:35:29 so kinda the baseline for a pets product is it's got to make life easier for *somebody* than what they can easily do themselves starting from a minimal install 15:35:33 yeah, who curates that? 15:35:42 nobody! 15:36:07 the magic just happens 15:36:42 am i the only one concerned by this state of affairs? 15:36:56 so is the pets products something like a group install that would be done? 15:37:02 well, i mean, it depends whether you catch me before my fourth whisky of the day 15:37:27 mmm, canadian whisky :D 15:37:39 er, i cant spell 15:38:19 mjwolf: we diverged the server product in f24 to have a different partitioning scheme, for example 15:38:30 one that makes more sense to server deployments 15:38:50 so it's not just a groupinstall, we can alter other things within a product to differentiate it. 15:39:31 ok was just wondering if there were lots of requests for groupinstalls 15:39:58 so basically would people view a groupinstall to be roughly equal to an openshift app. I know that is a crude analogy 15:40:49 we'd need to put the pieces together in a cohesive manner rather than just "here's a bunch of bits! Have fun!" 15:44:33 so does anyone have a sense for how people are using fedora server? Are there some use cases we should focus on first? 15:45:48 * jds2001 was brought in to the WG for a Real World(TM) view. I'll say that most of my experience if with RHEL in a large enterprise. 15:46:03 and there, we view it as a construction kit. 15:46:34 but I'm not certain that the target audience of Server is exactly the same, in fact I know that it isn't. 15:47:01 so we need some user stories! 15:47:39 what do Real People(TM) want to do with this thing?? 15:48:13 yes we need that 15:48:48 particularly in the SMB space? Large enterprises are going to take it, deconstruct it, and do what they please because they have large engineering staffs. 15:49:36 * nirik reads back 15:53:03 do a lot of users attend FLOCK? it seemed to me it was mostly developers 15:53:20 yeah, its a developer oriented event. 15:54:47 * jds2001 has a hard stop at noon. 15:55:13 ok so lets discuss who will run the meeting next week 15:55:20 #topic next weeks chair 15:55:26 any takers? 15:55:32 * jds2001 will be at summit next week 15:55:56 perhaps we should cancel if a large amount of folks cant make it because of summit? 15:56:12 ok sounds reasonable 15:56:22 are there any takers then for 2 weeks from now :-) 15:56:56 two weeks from now is july 5th 15:57:08 well, first are lots of folks going to summit? 15:57:08 not sure many will attend then either 15:57:12 or is it just me? 15:57:56 * nirik will be here next week and the week after. can run things on the 5th I guess... although someone who hasn't had the fun yet still could. ;) 15:59:12 * jds2001 cna the week after 15:59:21 i.e. the 5th 16:00:00 so how about cancel next week, meet the 5th? 16:00:36 sounds good 16:00:46 sounds fine to me 16:01:16 ok we are at the top of the hour 16:01:28 anything else? otherwise i will close out the meeting for this week 16:02:23 #endmeeting