17:05:33 <kushal> #startmeeting Cloud WG 17:05:33 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jun 22 17:05:33 2016 UTC. The chair is kushal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:05:33 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:05:33 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'cloud_wg' 17:05:42 <kushal> #topic Roll Call 17:05:48 <kushal> .hellomynameis kushal 17:05:49 <zodbot> kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' <mail@kushaldas.in> 17:05:58 <trishnag> .hello trishnag 17:05:58 <coremodule> .hello coremodule 17:05:58 <zodbot> trishnag: trishnag 'Trishna Guha' <trishnaguha17@gmail.com> 17:06:00 <nzwulfin_> .hello mmicene 17:06:02 <zodbot> coremodule: coremodule 'Geoffrey Marr' <gmarr@redhat.com> 17:06:05 <zodbot> nzwulfin_: mmicene 'Matt Micene' <nzwulfin@gmail.com> 17:06:07 <jbrooks> .hello jasonbrooks 17:06:08 <zodbot> jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' <JBROOKS@REDHAT.COM> 17:06:09 <maxamillion> .whllo maxamillion 17:06:13 <sayan> .hello sayanchowdhury 17:06:14 <zodbot> sayan: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' <sayan.chowdhury2012@gmail.com> 17:06:15 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion 17:06:17 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' <maxamillion@gmail.com> 17:06:19 <smdeep> .hello smdeep 17:06:20 <zodbot> smdeep: smdeep 'Sudeep Mukherjee' <smdeep@gmail.com> 17:06:26 <scollier> .hello scollier 17:06:27 <zodbot> scollier: scollier 'Scott Collier' <emailscottcollier@gmail.com> 17:07:35 <maxamillion> pbrobinson: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BodhiNonRPMArtifacts 17:08:31 <jberkus> .hello jberkus 17:08:33 <zodbot> jberkus: jberkus 'Josh Berkus' <josh@agliodbs.com> 17:08:39 <tflink> .hello tflink 17:08:40 <zodbot> tflink: tflink 'Tim Flink' <tflink@redhat.com> 17:08:53 <pbrobinson> maxamillion++ thanks 17:08:53 <zodbot> pbrobinson: Karma for maxamillion changed to 1 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:08:59 <maxamillion> pbrobinson: sorry, wrong channel but hopefully that works :) 17:09:19 <kushal> #chair trishnag nzwulfin_ coremodule jberkus jbrooks maxamillion smdeep scollier tflink 17:09:19 <zodbot> Current chairs: coremodule jberkus jbrooks kushal maxamillion nzwulfin_ scollier smdeep tflink trishnag 17:09:27 <kushal> DId I miss anyone? 17:09:50 <trishnag> kushal: sayan :) 17:09:55 * sayan 17:09:55 <kushal> #chair sayan 17:09:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: coremodule jberkus jbrooks kushal maxamillion nzwulfin_ sayan scollier smdeep tflink trishnag 17:10:02 <scollier> .hello scollier 17:10:02 <kushal> trishnag, Thanks :) 17:10:02 <zodbot> scollier: scollier 'Scott Collier' <emailscottcollier@gmail.com> 17:10:29 <kushal> #topic Action Items from last meeting 17:11:01 <kushal> sayan to close the ticket 115 17:11:01 <kushal> jzb to follow up on getting fedora cloud images onto Azure and other providers 17:11:01 <kushal> jzb take another run at legal on azure cloud issu 17:11:08 <kushal> Updated? 17:11:48 <sayan> yes 17:11:51 <kushal> or rather updates? 17:12:02 * kushal still needs sleep 17:12:56 <kushal> Okay, moving on. 17:13:09 <kushal> Before going to tickets, I want to say a few other points. 17:13:24 <kushal> First of all, thank you everyone to have F24 release. 17:13:41 <scollier> i just upgraded. ;) yes, thank you. 17:13:45 <kushal> It was a good team work. 17:13:52 <smdeep> Fedora 24 is one of the best 17:14:10 <kushal> I personally want to thank jberkus to setup the Cloud FAD, and maxamillion to lead the event. 17:14:24 <scollier> kushal, how often do you hold cloud fads? 17:14:35 <kushal> scollier, This was the only one I knew :) 17:14:38 <jberkus> this was the first one, no? 17:14:39 <maxamillion> \o/ :) 17:14:48 <kushal> jberkus, Yes :) 17:14:52 <scollier> jberkus, i'd really like to attend the next one. 17:15:11 <kushal> scollier, we will ping you :) 17:15:35 <maxamillion> are we on a specific topic right now? 17:15:42 <kushal> Not yet. 17:15:54 <maxamillion> ah ok, I'll hold off them until later :) 17:15:56 <kushal> Before any ticket, I have one major point. 17:16:09 <jberkus> scollier: subscribe to the cloud ML if you haven't already 17:16:14 <kushal> #topic Fedora 25 features :) 17:16:25 <kushal> maxamillion already wrote to the list. 17:16:28 <scollier> jberkus, i have. thanks. 17:16:34 <kushal> What else are in the plate?d 17:17:03 <kushal> Anyone has any idea to work as a feature? 17:17:45 <jberkus> what's our target docker version for 25? I'm thinking we should skip to 1.12, which will be out by then 17:18:10 * kushal personally wants to work a major part with the docs team (+ jsmith) to have an excellent user experience there. 17:18:55 <kushal> The other thing I want to have is about getting more test cases validated by the QA team, and improve on the automation. 17:19:13 <kushal> maxamillion, Do you want to say anything about the latest mail to the list? 17:19:24 <kushal> Fedora + Atomic + Openshift one. 17:19:25 <maxamillion> which one? 17:19:27 <maxamillion> ah yes 17:20:03 <maxamillion> I've done a write up on Fedora + Atomic + OpenShift (the thing we were jokingly calling Fedora Foosion at the FAD), the Draft is here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/ProjectFAO 17:20:19 <maxamillion> I sent an email to the list requesting feedback, http://bit.ly/28QCvDw 17:20:40 <maxamillion> if everyone could please give that a look, I'll take it to the Fedora Council once everyone is happy with the doc 17:21:08 <scollier> maxamillion, how do you plan on implementing the "multi-node cluster" ? 17:21:11 <scollier> maxamillion, ansible? 17:21:23 <maxamillion> scollier: yes 17:21:47 <maxamillion> scollier: it's all under objectives/deliverables 17:21:49 <scollier> maxamillion, isn't it already enabled? you just run the openshift-ansible installer with a correct inventory file? 17:21:58 <jberkus> hopefully at some point commissaire and openshift-ansible will merge ... 17:22:03 <jberkus> scollier: what installer? 17:22:09 <jberkus> oh openshift-ansible 17:22:29 <jberkus> scollier: yeah, needs debugging still. openshift-ansible currently expects centos and a few other things 17:22:33 <jberkus> I'm working on it 17:22:48 <maxamillion> scollier: not with 100% fedora content, if you run the installer you end up with about 12 centos based container images hosting various openshift infrastructure components, and there's work to be done to make it all run from containers on Atomic 17:23:09 <scollier> maxamillion, so same intent as openshift-ansible installer, just cleaned up 17:23:11 <maxamillion> scollier: there's also the possibility of running from an 'atomic system container' 17:23:24 <kushal> Related question: How do we want to improve our docker image? 17:23:27 <scollier> maxamillion, and should we also focus on the infrastructure provisioning via ansible? 17:23:38 <scollier> maxamillion, you've seen some of the scripts we have been working on 17:23:41 <maxamillion> scollier: well, hopefully the future of openshift-ansible ... we met with the openshift engineering team while in RDU and expressed our interests and goals and they thought it would be cool to see that 17:23:54 <scollier> maxamillion, so, for example, openshift-fedora-up gets you a HA infra in X provider... 17:24:06 <maxamillion> scollier: never heard of it 17:24:28 <scollier> maxamillion, you've seen our stuff in gitlab, something like that, modified for fedora. 17:24:30 <maxamillion> scollier: also, if there are alternative objectives desired, let's discuss them on the mailing list for posterity and get the wiki page updated 17:25:08 <jberkus> kushal: the major thing is shrinking it a bit; that's not as big of an issue as most people make it, but it hurts our adoption because of perceptions 17:25:39 <kushal> jberkus, Okay. 17:25:56 <jberkus> kushal: one thing I'd like to discuss before flock is systemd vs. not 17:26:05 <kushal> :) 17:26:15 <jberkus> because I'm going to be teaching people to build good containers at flock, so I'll want a policy 17:26:37 <kushal> I thought we are focusing on systemd-containers 17:26:50 <kushal> Or may be systems devels did, not us. 17:27:51 <jberkus> no, systemd *in* the container 17:28:03 <jberkus> systemd outside the container is obvious 17:28:06 <nzwulfin_> jberkus: extraneous comma in that sentence :) 17:28:18 <maxamillion> scollier: I'm open to anything, but if this ends up being another dumping ground of ideas that nobody shows up to do the work for, I'm cutting it from the list before we take this to the council 17:28:42 <scollier> maxamillion, if you have any sessions discussing the openshift-ansible installer for fedora, can you please invite me? 17:28:58 <scollier> maxamillion, i am committing now to helping out with this effort. 17:29:19 <kushal> jberkus, I think systemd-container is the package for inside the containers. 17:29:21 <maxamillion> scollier: so far it's only been discussed at the FAD and that was an open session that everyone was invited to, we even held all-day bluejeans sessions for those participating remotely 17:29:43 <maxamillion> scollier: this is literally the first time after that meeting it's being discussed so you're in on it early :) 17:30:02 <scollier> maxamillion, ok, after summit, maybe we can follow up with openshift-ansible engineering. 17:30:05 <scollier> i know they are busy ATM. 17:30:06 <maxamillion> scollier: also, the note about a dumping ground for things that nobody does work on was in no way directed at you, we as a WG/SIG are just notoriously bad at that 17:30:16 <scollier> maxamillion, ack, np 17:30:17 <maxamillion> scollier: we met with them at the FAD 17:30:21 <maxamillion> scollier: they were in the room 17:30:37 <maxamillion> scollier: bleanhar, ccolman, dmcphers, and many others 17:30:48 <scollier> maxamillion, that'll do it, right crowd. 17:31:25 <maxamillion> +1 17:31:34 <maxamillion> scollier: we have a follow up meeting I'll add you to 17:31:49 <scollier> maxamillion, we will be pushing our infra provisioning code here: https://github.com/openshift/openshift-ansible-contrib 17:31:55 <scollier> per jason d. request. 17:32:06 <maxamillion> scollier: +1 17:32:19 <scollier> i don't want to rathole here 17:32:33 <scollier> but the gist is, provision infra, dynamic inventory resources, deploy openshift. 17:32:43 <scollier> we should be able to apply that to fedoraland 17:32:58 <jberkus> scollier: sounds good, how far along is that? 17:33:09 <maxamillion> likely so, but we need to get a PoC of the whole thing completely image based on atomic host in the near term (like the next week or two) 17:33:11 <scollier> jberkus, in RHEL land, very, very far. documenting now. 17:33:38 <maxamillion> anyways, any more meeting items? I need to duck out soon-ish, I have an appointment 17:35:04 <jberkus> maxamillion: can we target docker 1.12 for F25? 17:35:25 <maxamillion> jberkus: I don't see why not, but I suspect we'll be at docker 1.13 by the time F25 actually happens 17:35:32 <kushal> maxamillion, we can put in anything want to the next item. 17:35:33 <jberkus> true 17:35:36 <kushal> Go for it. 17:36:57 <maxamillion> I don't have anything else, just wanted to move things along because I need to get going before too long 17:37:05 <maxamillion> we seemed to have stalled on that topic 17:37:45 <kushal> Okay 17:38:04 <kushal> #topic Fedora-Dockerfiles examples for Kubernetes https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/125 17:38:12 <kushal> jberkus, ^^ 17:38:49 <kushal> Mean while I will close the F24 features ticket, and open a new one for F25. 17:38:52 <jberkus> kushal: no updates. haven't had time 17:39:47 <kushal> Okay, moving next. 17:39:48 <kushal> #topic Need owner to define basic container smoke testing requirements https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/151 17:39:59 <jberkus> I thought we did that at FAD? 17:40:02 <kushal> tflink, Do you want to add anything on this? 17:40:07 <maxamillion> jberkus: I thought so to but no 17:40:17 <maxamillion> kushal: that's assigned to me I thought 17:40:22 <maxamillion> kushal: I've not gotten it done though 17:40:27 <kushal> jberkus, Yes, but the ticket was open, so I want to close only with permission. 17:40:42 <kushal> maxamillion, Yes, just wanted to have tflink's feedback. 17:40:44 <jzb> hi all 17:40:46 <maxamillion> ah ok 17:40:51 <tflink> i thought we did this last week? 17:40:58 <jzb> sorry folks 17:40:59 <jzb> :-/ 17:41:04 <kushal> It was not closed :( 17:41:07 <tflink> or are we waiting for me to update the ticket? 17:41:11 <kushal> jzb, stage is yours. 17:41:32 <maxamillion> I need to leave, will read the meeting minutes after 17:42:17 <kushal> maxamillion, bye :) 17:42:33 <kushal> tflink, sorry if it was supposed to be closed. 17:42:39 <jzb> kushal: we are currently on 151? 17:42:54 <kushal> yes 17:42:56 <tflink> the ticket isn't up to date but IIRC, we pretty much figured this out at the FAD 17:43:54 <smdeep> ++++ 17:43:56 <smdeep> +-- 17:44:05 <smdeep> +------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 17:44:08 <smdeep> +------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17:44:12 <kushal> ? 17:44:22 <kushal> smdeep, cat on the keyboard? 17:44:29 <smdeep> +- 17:44:30 <smdeep> +++++ 17:44:40 <kushal> jzb, Are you going to take over or should I continue? 17:44:55 <smdeep> very very very sorry 17:45:11 <smdeep> will never happen again 17:45:33 <jzb> kushal: please continue 17:45:35 <jzb> I'm not sure where you are 17:45:59 <jzb> (what we've covered so far) 17:46:05 <kushal> jzb, ticket 151 on https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/report/9 17:46:21 <jzb> ok 17:46:29 <kushal> jzb, so stage is yours :) 17:46:39 <jzb> yay 17:46:40 <jzb> oK 17:46:44 * tflink also needs to leave a bit early today 17:46:47 <jzb> let's close that 17:46:52 <jzb> unless there's an objection 17:47:04 <tflink> kushal: did we write down any of the things we figured out? 17:47:12 <jzb> #topic design, deploy and document Fedora OpenShift Playground (FOSP) 17:47:20 <jzb> kushal: stage is not entirely mine ;-) 17:47:21 <kushal> tflink, maxamillion had notes on the etherpad. 17:47:26 <jzb> kushal: chair me please? :-) 17:47:39 <kushal> #chair jzb 17:47:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: coremodule jberkus jbrooks jzb kushal maxamillion nzwulfin_ sayan scollier smdeep tflink trishnag 17:47:44 <jzb> #topic design, deploy and document Fedora OpenShift Playground (FOSP) 17:47:47 <jzb> that's better 17:47:57 <kushal> jzb, sorry, missed that. 17:48:00 <jzb> #info https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/153 17:48:20 <jzb> we agreed last week or before that we'd attack this after Summit 17:48:42 <jzb> #topic Make Fedora Atomic download page clearer 17:48:57 <jzb> #info https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/153 17:49:15 <jzb> jberkus: last update "postponed until we decide" on primary deliverables. 17:49:21 <jberkus> yes 17:49:21 <jzb> are we moving on that? 17:49:30 <jzb> or is this still kinda pre-decision 17:49:34 <jberkus> jzb: yeah, see maxamillion's draft strategy doc 17:49:44 <jberkus> and yes, it's pre-decision 17:50:10 <jzb> jberkus: link handy? 17:51:09 <jzb> also, ticket is owned by nobody 17:51:18 <jzb> any vict^H^H^H volunteers? 17:52:12 * kushal volunteers sayan 17:52:16 <jberkus> link was given earlier in the meeting: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/ProjectFAO 17:52:17 <kushal> jzb, job done. 17:52:22 <kushal> :) 17:53:17 <jberkus> jzb: to whom should I talk about FOSP? I have no contact info. sent it to me? 17:53:24 <jzb> jberkus: OK, will do 17:53:54 <jzb> so... no volunteers to take this ticket? 17:53:58 <jzb> it's currently headless. 17:54:09 <jberkus> which one, FOSP? a different one? 17:54:24 <jzb> #info https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/154 17:54:33 <jberkus> ah, you didn't link to that before 17:54:55 <jzb> I did not. 17:55:01 <jberkus> oh, I should probably own that until we have objectives defined, no? 17:55:02 <jzb> I am failing at meeting chairing today. 17:55:22 <jzb> jberkus: I will agree to that. :-) But figured you should volunteer :-) 17:55:53 <jberkus> done 17:56:12 <jzb> any other comments for this ticket 17:56:12 <jzb> ? 17:56:35 <jzb> #topic Decide on post-GA update cadence for various deliverables 17:56:44 <jzb> #info https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/155 17:56:57 <jzb> So - we're officially post-24 GA now 17:57:01 <jzb> probably time to wake this one up 17:58:19 <jzb> OK 17:58:29 <jzb> I'm guessing we're all diligently reading the ticket 17:58:37 <scollier> heh 17:58:57 <jzb> I'm going to take an action to wake this up on the mailing list. 17:59:04 <jzb> but I'm not volunteering for anything beyond that. 17:59:06 <jzb> Agreed? :-) 17:59:11 <jberkus> ok 17:59:12 <kushal> jzb, Okay. 17:59:24 <jzb> #action jzb wake up thread around ticket 155 on cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org 17:59:25 <jbrooks> sounds good 17:59:48 <jzb> so quick digression 17:59:57 <jzb> I'm finding that we move things to the ticket system a lot from meetings 18:00:14 <jzb> and by the time we get to them, we have some information lossage 18:00:20 <jzb> or at least for me, the discussion becomes foggy 18:00:26 <jzb> am I the only person feeling that? 18:00:54 <kushal> Kind of :) 18:00:57 <jzb> (A lot of time "wait, what was the context here?) 18:01:58 <jzb> ok 18:02:09 <jzb> who's still here and participating, or should we close now? 18:02:21 <kushal> We can close I think. 18:02:33 <jbrooks> I'm here 18:02:52 <jbrooks> and we can close, and resolve to put more info in issues 18:03:02 <jzb> OK 18:03:26 <jzb> again, for posterity, sorry for flubbing the charing thing today. All the krakens are awake ahead of Summit and I didn't account for that. My bad. 18:03:36 <jzb> thanks all 18:03:42 <jzb> kushal: thanks for subbing 18:03:47 <jzb> kushal++ 18:03:47 <zodbot> jzb: Karma for kushal changed to 1 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 18:04:00 <jzb> #endmeeting