17:05:33 <kushal> #startmeeting Cloud WG
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17:05:42 <kushal> #topic Roll Call
17:05:48 <kushal> .hellomynameis kushal
17:05:49 <zodbot> kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' <mail@kushaldas.in>
17:05:58 <trishnag> .hello trishnag
17:05:58 <coremodule> .hello coremodule
17:05:58 <zodbot> trishnag: trishnag 'Trishna Guha' <trishnaguha17@gmail.com>
17:06:00 <nzwulfin_> .hello mmicene
17:06:02 <zodbot> coremodule: coremodule 'Geoffrey Marr' <gmarr@redhat.com>
17:06:05 <zodbot> nzwulfin_: mmicene 'Matt Micene' <nzwulfin@gmail.com>
17:06:07 <jbrooks> .hello jasonbrooks
17:06:08 <zodbot> jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' <JBROOKS@REDHAT.COM>
17:06:09 <maxamillion> .whllo maxamillion
17:06:13 <sayan> .hello sayanchowdhury
17:06:14 <zodbot> sayan: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' <sayan.chowdhury2012@gmail.com>
17:06:15 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion
17:06:17 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' <maxamillion@gmail.com>
17:06:19 <smdeep> .hello smdeep
17:06:20 <zodbot> smdeep: smdeep 'Sudeep Mukherjee' <smdeep@gmail.com>
17:06:26 <scollier> .hello scollier
17:06:27 <zodbot> scollier: scollier 'Scott Collier' <emailscottcollier@gmail.com>
17:07:35 <maxamillion> pbrobinson: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BodhiNonRPMArtifacts
17:08:31 <jberkus> .hello jberkus
17:08:33 <zodbot> jberkus: jberkus 'Josh Berkus' <josh@agliodbs.com>
17:08:39 <tflink> .hello tflink
17:08:40 <zodbot> tflink: tflink 'Tim Flink' <tflink@redhat.com>
17:08:53 <pbrobinson> maxamillion++ thanks
17:08:53 <zodbot> pbrobinson: Karma for maxamillion changed to 1 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:08:59 <maxamillion> pbrobinson: sorry, wrong channel but hopefully that works :)
17:09:19 <kushal> #chair trishnag nzwulfin_ coremodule jberkus jbrooks maxamillion smdeep scollier tflink
17:09:19 <zodbot> Current chairs: coremodule jberkus jbrooks kushal maxamillion nzwulfin_ scollier smdeep tflink trishnag
17:09:27 <kushal> DId I miss anyone?
17:09:50 <trishnag> kushal: sayan :)
17:09:55 * sayan 
17:09:55 <kushal> #chair sayan
17:09:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: coremodule jberkus jbrooks kushal maxamillion nzwulfin_ sayan scollier smdeep tflink trishnag
17:10:02 <scollier> .hello scollier
17:10:02 <kushal> trishnag, Thanks :)
17:10:02 <zodbot> scollier: scollier 'Scott Collier' <emailscottcollier@gmail.com>
17:10:29 <kushal> #topic Action Items from last meeting
17:11:01 <kushal> sayan to close the ticket 115
17:11:01 <kushal> jzb to follow up on getting fedora cloud images onto Azure and other providers
17:11:01 <kushal> jzb take another run at legal on azure cloud issu
17:11:08 <kushal> Updated?
17:11:48 <sayan> yes
17:11:51 <kushal> or rather updates?
17:12:02 * kushal still needs sleep
17:12:56 <kushal> Okay, moving on.
17:13:09 <kushal> Before going to tickets, I want to say a few other points.
17:13:24 <kushal> First of all, thank you everyone to have F24 release.
17:13:41 <scollier> i just upgraded.  ;)  yes, thank you.
17:13:45 <kushal> It was a good team work.
17:13:52 <smdeep> Fedora 24 is one of the best
17:14:10 <kushal> I personally want to thank jberkus to setup the Cloud FAD, and maxamillion to lead the event.
17:14:24 <scollier> kushal, how often do you hold cloud fads?
17:14:35 <kushal> scollier, This was the only one I knew :)
17:14:38 <jberkus> this was the first one, no?
17:14:39 <maxamillion> \o/ :)
17:14:48 <kushal> jberkus, Yes :)
17:14:52 <scollier> jberkus, i'd really like to attend the next one.
17:15:11 <kushal> scollier, we will ping you :)
17:15:35 <maxamillion> are we on a specific topic right now?
17:15:42 <kushal> Not yet.
17:15:54 <maxamillion> ah ok, I'll hold off them until later :)
17:15:56 <kushal> Before any ticket, I have one major point.
17:16:09 <jberkus> scollier: subscribe to the cloud ML if you haven't already
17:16:14 <kushal> #topic Fedora 25 features :)
17:16:25 <kushal> maxamillion already wrote to the list.
17:16:28 <scollier> jberkus, i have. thanks.
17:16:34 <kushal> What else are in the plate?d
17:17:03 <kushal> Anyone has any idea to work as a feature?
17:17:45 <jberkus> what's our target docker version for 25?  I'm thinking we should skip to 1.12, which will be out by then
17:18:10 * kushal personally wants to work a major part with the docs team (+ jsmith) to have an excellent user experience there.
17:18:55 <kushal> The other thing I want to have is about getting more test cases validated by the QA team, and improve on the automation.
17:19:13 <kushal> maxamillion, Do you want to say anything about the latest mail to the list?
17:19:24 <kushal> Fedora + Atomic + Openshift one.
17:19:25 <maxamillion> which one?
17:19:27 <maxamillion> ah yes
17:20:03 <maxamillion> I've done a write up on Fedora + Atomic + OpenShift (the thing we were jokingly calling Fedora Foosion at the FAD), the Draft is here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/ProjectFAO
17:20:19 <maxamillion> I sent an email to the list requesting feedback, http://bit.ly/28QCvDw
17:20:40 <maxamillion> if everyone could please give that a look, I'll take it to the Fedora Council once everyone is happy with the doc
17:21:08 <scollier> maxamillion, how do you plan on implementing the "multi-node cluster" ?
17:21:11 <scollier> maxamillion, ansible?
17:21:23 <maxamillion> scollier: yes
17:21:47 <maxamillion> scollier: it's all under objectives/deliverables
17:21:49 <scollier> maxamillion, isn't it already enabled?  you just run the openshift-ansible installer with a correct inventory file?
17:21:58 <jberkus> hopefully at some point commissaire and openshift-ansible will merge ...
17:22:03 <jberkus> scollier: what installer?
17:22:09 <jberkus> oh openshift-ansible
17:22:29 <jberkus> scollier: yeah, needs debugging still.  openshift-ansible currently expects centos and a few other things
17:22:33 <jberkus> I'm working on it
17:22:48 <maxamillion> scollier: not with 100% fedora content, if you run the installer you end up with about 12 centos based container images hosting various openshift infrastructure components, and there's work to be done to make it all run from containers on Atomic
17:23:09 <scollier> maxamillion, so same intent as openshift-ansible installer, just cleaned up
17:23:11 <maxamillion> scollier: there's also the possibility of running from an 'atomic system container'
17:23:24 <kushal> Related question: How do we want to improve our docker image?
17:23:27 <scollier> maxamillion, and should we also focus on the infrastructure provisioning via ansible?
17:23:38 <scollier> maxamillion, you've seen some of the scripts we have been working on
17:23:41 <maxamillion> scollier: well, hopefully the future of openshift-ansible ... we met with the openshift engineering team while in RDU and expressed our interests and goals and they thought it would be cool to see that
17:23:54 <scollier> maxamillion, so, for example, openshift-fedora-up  gets you a HA infra in X provider...
17:24:06 <maxamillion> scollier: never heard of it
17:24:28 <scollier> maxamillion, you've seen our stuff in gitlab, something like that, modified for fedora.
17:24:30 <maxamillion> scollier: also, if there are alternative objectives desired, let's discuss them on the mailing list for posterity and get the wiki page updated
17:25:08 <jberkus> kushal: the major thing is shrinking it a bit; that's not as big of an issue as most people make it, but it hurts our adoption because of perceptions
17:25:39 <kushal> jberkus, Okay.
17:25:56 <jberkus> kushal: one thing I'd like to discuss before flock is systemd vs. not
17:26:05 <kushal> :)
17:26:15 <jberkus> because I'm going to be teaching people to build good containers at flock, so I'll want a policy
17:26:37 <kushal> I thought we are focusing on systemd-containers
17:26:50 <kushal> Or may be systems devels did, not us.
17:27:51 <jberkus> no, systemd *in* the container
17:28:03 <jberkus> systemd outside the container is obvious
17:28:06 <nzwulfin_> jberkus: extraneous comma in that sentence :)
17:28:18 <maxamillion> scollier: I'm open to anything, but if this ends up being another dumping ground of ideas that nobody shows up to do the work for, I'm cutting it from the list before we take this to the council
17:28:42 <scollier> maxamillion, if you have any sessions discussing the openshift-ansible installer for fedora, can you please invite me?
17:28:58 <scollier> maxamillion, i am committing now to helping out with this effort.
17:29:19 <kushal> jberkus, I think systemd-container is the package for inside the containers.
17:29:21 <maxamillion> scollier: so far it's only been discussed at the FAD and that was an open session that everyone was invited to, we even held all-day bluejeans sessions for those participating remotely
17:29:43 <maxamillion> scollier: this is literally the first time after that meeting it's being discussed so you're in on it early :)
17:30:02 <scollier> maxamillion, ok, after summit, maybe we can follow up with openshift-ansible engineering.
17:30:05 <scollier> i know they are busy ATM.
17:30:06 <maxamillion> scollier: also, the note about a dumping ground for things that nobody does work on was in no way directed at you, we as a WG/SIG are just notoriously bad at that
17:30:16 <scollier> maxamillion, ack, np
17:30:17 <maxamillion> scollier: we met with them at the FAD
17:30:21 <maxamillion> scollier: they were in the room
17:30:37 <maxamillion> scollier: bleanhar, ccolman, dmcphers, and many others
17:30:48 <scollier> maxamillion, that'll do it, right crowd.
17:31:25 <maxamillion> +1
17:31:34 <maxamillion> scollier: we have a follow up meeting I'll add you to
17:31:49 <scollier> maxamillion, we will be pushing our infra provisioning code here: https://github.com/openshift/openshift-ansible-contrib
17:31:55 <scollier> per jason d. request.
17:32:06 <maxamillion> scollier: +1
17:32:19 <scollier> i don't want to rathole here
17:32:33 <scollier> but the gist is, provision infra, dynamic inventory resources, deploy openshift.
17:32:43 <scollier> we should be able to apply that to fedoraland
17:32:58 <jberkus> scollier: sounds good, how far along is that?
17:33:09 <maxamillion> likely so, but we need to get a PoC of the whole thing completely image based on atomic host in the near term (like the next week or two)
17:33:11 <scollier> jberkus, in RHEL land, very, very far.  documenting now.
17:33:38 <maxamillion> anyways, any more meeting items? I need to duck out soon-ish, I have an appointment
17:35:04 <jberkus> maxamillion: can we target docker 1.12 for F25?
17:35:25 <maxamillion> jberkus: I don't see why not, but I suspect we'll be at docker 1.13 by the time F25 actually happens
17:35:32 <kushal> maxamillion, we can put in anything want to the next item.
17:35:33 <jberkus> true
17:35:36 <kushal> Go for it.
17:36:57 <maxamillion> I don't have anything else, just wanted to move things along because I need to get going before too long
17:37:05 <maxamillion> we seemed to have stalled on that topic
17:37:45 <kushal> Okay
17:38:04 <kushal> #topic Fedora-Dockerfiles examples for Kubernetes https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/125
17:38:12 <kushal> jberkus, ^^
17:38:49 <kushal> Mean while I will close the F24 features ticket, and open a new one for F25.
17:38:52 <jberkus> kushal: no updates.  haven't had time
17:39:47 <kushal> Okay, moving next.
17:39:48 <kushal> #topic Need owner to define basic container smoke testing requirements https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/151
17:39:59 <jberkus> I thought we did that at FAD?
17:40:02 <kushal> tflink, Do you want to add anything on this?
17:40:07 <maxamillion> jberkus: I thought so to but no
17:40:17 <maxamillion> kushal: that's assigned to me I thought
17:40:22 <maxamillion> kushal: I've not gotten it done though
17:40:27 <kushal> jberkus, Yes, but the ticket was open, so I want to close only with permission.
17:40:42 <kushal> maxamillion, Yes, just wanted to have tflink's feedback.
17:40:44 <jzb> hi all
17:40:46 <maxamillion> ah ok
17:40:51 <tflink> i thought we did this last week?
17:40:58 <jzb> sorry folks
17:40:59 <jzb> :-/
17:41:04 <kushal> It was not closed :(
17:41:07 <tflink> or are we waiting for me to update the ticket?
17:41:11 <kushal> jzb, stage is yours.
17:41:32 <maxamillion> I need to leave, will read the meeting minutes after
17:42:17 <kushal> maxamillion, bye :)
17:42:33 <kushal> tflink, sorry if it was supposed to be closed.
17:42:39 <jzb> kushal: we are currently on 151?
17:42:54 <kushal> yes
17:42:56 <tflink> the ticket isn't up to date but IIRC, we pretty much figured this out at the FAD
17:43:54 <smdeep> ++++
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17:44:08 <smdeep> +-------------------------------------------------------------------------
17:44:12 <kushal> ?
17:44:22 <kushal> smdeep, cat on the keyboard?
17:44:29 <smdeep> +-
17:44:30 <smdeep> +++++
17:44:40 <kushal> jzb, Are you going to take over or should I continue?
17:44:55 <smdeep> very very very sorry
17:45:11 <smdeep> will never happen again
17:45:33 <jzb> kushal: please continue
17:45:35 <jzb> I'm not sure where you are
17:45:59 <jzb> (what we've covered so far)
17:46:05 <kushal> jzb, ticket 151 on https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/report/9
17:46:21 <jzb> ok
17:46:29 <kushal> jzb, so stage is yours :)
17:46:39 <jzb> yay
17:46:40 <jzb> oK
17:46:44 * tflink also needs to leave a bit early today
17:46:47 <jzb> let's close that
17:46:52 <jzb> unless there's an objection
17:47:04 <tflink> kushal: did we write down any of the things we figured out?
17:47:12 <jzb> #topic design, deploy and document Fedora OpenShift Playground (FOSP)
17:47:20 <jzb> kushal: stage is not entirely mine ;-)
17:47:21 <kushal> tflink, maxamillion had notes on the etherpad.
17:47:26 <jzb> kushal: chair me please? :-)
17:47:39 <kushal> #chair jzb
17:47:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: coremodule jberkus jbrooks jzb kushal maxamillion nzwulfin_ sayan scollier smdeep tflink trishnag
17:47:44 <jzb> #topic design, deploy and document Fedora OpenShift Playground (FOSP)
17:47:47 <jzb> that's better
17:47:57 <kushal> jzb, sorry, missed that.
17:48:00 <jzb> #info https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/153
17:48:20 <jzb> we agreed last week or before that we'd attack this after Summit
17:48:42 <jzb> #topic Make Fedora Atomic download page clearer
17:48:57 <jzb> #info https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/153
17:49:15 <jzb> jberkus: last update "postponed until we decide" on primary deliverables.
17:49:21 <jberkus> yes
17:49:21 <jzb> are we moving on that?
17:49:30 <jzb> or is this still kinda pre-decision
17:49:34 <jberkus> jzb: yeah, see maxamillion's draft strategy doc
17:49:44 <jberkus> and yes, it's pre-decision
17:50:10 <jzb> jberkus: link handy?
17:51:09 <jzb> also, ticket is owned by nobody
17:51:18 <jzb> any vict^H^H^H volunteers?
17:52:12 * kushal volunteers sayan
17:52:16 <jberkus> link was given earlier in the meeting: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/ProjectFAO
17:52:17 <kushal> jzb, job done.
17:52:22 <kushal> :)
17:53:17 <jberkus> jzb: to whom should I talk about FOSP?  I have no contact info.  sent it to me?
17:53:24 <jzb> jberkus: OK, will do
17:53:54 <jzb> so... no volunteers to take this ticket?
17:53:58 <jzb> it's currently headless.
17:54:09 <jberkus> which one, FOSP? a different one?
17:54:24 <jzb> #info https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/154
17:54:33 <jberkus> ah, you didn't link to that before
17:54:55 <jzb> I did not.
17:55:01 <jberkus> oh, I should probably own that until we have objectives defined, no?
17:55:02 <jzb> I am failing at meeting chairing today.
17:55:22 <jzb> jberkus: I will agree to that. :-) But figured you should volunteer :-)
17:55:53 <jberkus> done
17:56:12 <jzb> any other comments for this ticket
17:56:12 <jzb> ?
17:56:35 <jzb> #topic Decide on post-GA update cadence for various deliverables
17:56:44 <jzb> #info https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/155
17:56:57 <jzb> So - we're officially post-24 GA now
17:57:01 <jzb> probably time to wake this one up
17:58:19 <jzb> OK
17:58:29 <jzb> I'm guessing we're all diligently reading the ticket
17:58:37 <scollier> heh
17:58:57 <jzb> I'm going to take an action to wake this up on the mailing list.
17:59:04 <jzb> but I'm not volunteering for anything beyond that.
17:59:06 <jzb> Agreed? :-)
17:59:11 <jberkus> ok
17:59:12 <kushal> jzb, Okay.
17:59:24 <jzb> #action jzb wake up thread around ticket 155 on cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org
17:59:25 <jbrooks> sounds good
17:59:48 <jzb> so quick digression
17:59:57 <jzb> I'm finding that we move things to the ticket system a lot from meetings
18:00:14 <jzb> and by the time we get to them, we have some information lossage
18:00:20 <jzb> or at least for me, the discussion becomes foggy
18:00:26 <jzb> am I the only person feeling that?
18:00:54 <kushal> Kind of :)
18:00:57 <jzb> (A lot of time "wait, what was the context here?)
18:01:58 <jzb> ok
18:02:09 <jzb> who's still here and participating, or should we close now?
18:02:21 <kushal> We can close I think.
18:02:33 <jbrooks> I'm here
18:02:52 <jbrooks> and we can close, and resolve to put more info in issues
18:03:02 <jzb> OK
18:03:26 <jzb> again, for posterity, sorry for flubbing the charing thing today. All the krakens are awake ahead of Summit and I didn't account for that. My bad.
18:03:36 <jzb> thanks all
18:03:42 <jzb> kushal: thanks for subbing
18:03:47 <jzb> kushal++
18:03:47 <zodbot> jzb: Karma for kushal changed to 1 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
18:04:00 <jzb> #endmeeting